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#1541 losdiablos103

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:07 PM

Give Tebow a full god damn drive to work with

No. you and every other clueless fan and Jets fan just need to shut the hell up already and wake up and smell the manure. Sanchez gives us the best chance to win, but this organization, Tanny, Rex, MORONo, fvcking Woody ruined him and haven't helped him AT ALL. That geriatric fvck, Woody pushed Teblow on this team and on Rex and Sparano. That's the first mistake. The second is that all last season we bitched and complained about our OLine. They ran Wayne Hunter out, and put in Austin Howard, who for the most part, has done very well, but we didn't legit reassure the OL. Mark has been bombarded (today's a great example) and has absolutely no time to read the blitz, or get time to read the D. He gets sacked from his blindside time after time. Is some of that on him? Should he be more aware and throw the ball away? Sure, sometimes. But it's hard to even get rid of the damn ball when even before you drop back.

Receivers? Don't get me fvcking started. Hill can be molded into a megatron-type guy, but he's got stone hands. Kerley is good, but he's not great. Clyde Gates? Chaz Shillens? Really? No type of deep threat. And speaking of deep threat, we don't go down field!!!! Sparano is a moron and the play calling has been suspect all season. He lost all of my respect last week in New England.

Special teams fell apart today, the D stunk, and obviously the O was sh!t. But it's all Mark's fault, right? Give me a break.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:11 PM

This is EXACTLY what I said about the Jests at the beginning of the Season.

Tannenbaum has set up Sanchez to fail so Woody can sell Tebow merchandise
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:14 PM

They thought that was a money play...it worked a few weeks before in Miami when on a 3rd and 1 they called a quick slant to Kerley for the TD.

but yea, probably best to run. But it wasn't like they through one of this stupid fades that schotty loved (that never worked)


When you have third and one on the two, there are literally a handful of better things you can do. Hand the ball off, which they had on the first two plays of the drive for nine yards. Have Tebow run a QB sneak, which god forbid they ever try on short yardage. Or if you want to get cute have Sanchez line up under center and run a bootleg option, they did that well enough last year. Even a playaction pass from under center would have been better...ANYthing would have been better than a shotgun pass. It's not even so much the pass, it's that they completely gave it away by running shotgun with Sanchez. Not to mention it was third down. Second down, you can get cute.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 08:08 PM

Sanchez gives us the best chance to win, but this organization, Tanny, Rex, MORONo, fvcking Woody ruined him and haven't helped him AT ALL.


Our receivers are amateurish. They get zero separation, routes are run incorrectly, passes are dropped, and sometimes I see players quite literally tripping over their own feet. The Benny Hill theme song should be playing in the background. Meanwhile Sanchez had 54 passing attempts today.. 41 last week. 40+ passing plays called against Houston.. 38 against the 49ers. 45 attempts the first time we played Miami. It's a joke.
There's no running game.. period! Sanchez is throwing the ball nearly 40x a game, because he HAS TO.. yet, he simply doesn't have the weapons at receiver with the talent to win games like that. The team's going through RB withdrawal.. and after 14 consecutive seasons of Curtis Martin, Thomas Jones, & LaDainian Tomlinson, the franchise became spoiled. You could absolutely make the argument in Greene being the worst starting HB in the league. What's worse is he has these moments which pad his stats that pour cologne on garbage. A 40 yrd ripper today where he has only 70 yrds. A 15 yrd play against Houston where he had only 26 yrds. The game vs Indy where he has over 160 yrds. If you take away these moments he's dog sh!t. I was a big Greene fan at the start of the year, but it's difficult to defend him when McKnight has nearly 100 yrds over 2 games on just 10 carries. When Hillard comes in and has 30 yrds on his last 6 carries. When Grimes comes in today and rips 5 yrds on his first carry. Powell averaging 4.0 Y.P.C. before he got injured. Even Tebow is averaging for more yrds than Greene for Christ sake! You can go on and on.

Can you fix it this season? --no, you can't anymore. I simply don't think there's a way. Maybe if the Jets were an above .500 team the front office would go out and trade for Steven Jackson, or with a seller. But the way this team looks, WE might be the sellers! We've lost 5 of our last 7, and look absolutely lost as a football team.
The bloodlust fan in me does look forward to next season however in regard to Tanny. He will 100% be gone.. take that to the bank. As a fan I want revenge for why my team was set back 3+ years, and that son of a bitch is gonna stand trial. Count on that!!
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:47 PM

Steven Jackson has been notified that the Rams will not re-sign him. No need to trade
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:52 PM

Has anyone heard or read about rumblings that Rex Ryan is making the personnel decisions, not Mike Tannenbaum?
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:18 AM

No. you and every other clueless fan and Jets fan just need to shut the hell up already and wake up and smell the manure. Sanchez gives us the best chance to win, but this organization, Tanny, Rex, MORONo, fvcking Woody ruined him and haven't helped him AT ALL. That geriatric fvck, Woody pushed Teblow on this team and on Rex and Sparano. That's the first mistake. The second is that all last season we bitched and complained about our OLine. They ran Wayne Hunter out, and put in Austin Howard, who for the most part, has done very well, but we didn't legit reassure the OL. Mark has been bombarded (today's a great example) and has absolutely no time to read the blitz, or get time to read the D. He gets sacked from his blindside time after time. Is some of that on him? Should he be more aware and throw the ball away? Sure, sometimes. But it's hard to even get rid of the damn ball when even before you drop back.

Receivers? Don't get me fvcking started. Hill can be molded into a megatron-type guy, but he's got stone hands. Kerley is good, but he's not great. Clyde Gates? Chaz Shillens? Really? No type of deep threat. And speaking of deep threat, we don't go down field!!!! Sparano is a moron and the play calling has been suspect all season. He lost all of my respect last week in New England.

Special teams fell apart today, the D stunk, and obviously the O was sh!t. But it's all Mark's fault, right? Give me a break.

Yeah, I'm a Giants fan. The excuses for Sanchez are sickening. Good quarterbacks make everyone around them better.

Sanchez is given a huge leash plays about as bad as possible some games. How about the series in the third quarter I believe it was, when he threw a pass a Dolphin dropped, the next pass was picked off and the pass after that was nearly picked as well. Sanchez doesn't have the pedigree to be a quarterback exempt from being pulled. Tebow is a usefull player rotting away on the Jets bench.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:14 AM

Yeah, I'm a Giants fan. The excuses for Sanchez are sickening. Good quarterbacks make everyone around them better.

Sanchez is given a huge leash plays about as bad as possible some games. How about the series in the third quarter I believe it was, when he threw a pass a Dolphin dropped, the next pass was picked off and the pass after that was nearly picked as well. Sanchez doesn't have the pedigree to be a quarterback exempt from being pulled. Tebow is a usefull player rotting away on the Jets bench.


Tebow is not any good. The ONLY reason he did anything last year as a starting QB is because Denver's defense got hot for a while and was able to keep its team in games. His best game was against Pittsburgh in the playoffs, and that's because Tomlin decided to give him no respect as far as his gameplan went. But basically it's pretty simple, re: Tebow...if the defense is giving up some points, he is not capable of keeping pace.

As far as QBs go, you have a select group in the NFL who find a way to win and succeed with they've got, and everyone knows who those guys are. But most guys need SOME weapons to help them out. If I'm a Jet fan, I'm frustrated by Sanchez not because of what he's doing now, but what he's done before...he's shown the ability to win big games...it's not like he's been Dave Brown his whole career. Sanchez is not blameless this season, but his franchise really has not done anything to help his cause, which is kind of strange considering that they signed him to a pretty nice extension. And if Tebow could ever be considered the answer, then the question's probably not even worth asking.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:46 AM

Yeah, I'm a Giants fan. The excuses for Sanchez are sickening. Good quarterbacks make everyone around them better.

Sanchez is given a huge leash plays about as bad as possible some games. How about the series in the third quarter I believe it was, when he threw a pass a Dolphin dropped, the next pass was picked off and the pass after that was nearly picked as well. Sanchez doesn't have the pedigree to be a quarterback exempt from being pulled. Tebow is a usefull player rotting away on the Jets bench.


Not neccessarily true. Being a Giant fan under Coughlin you have a great front office draft quality players, fantastic coaching molding these prospects and an OC who understands how to tap into that talent. The JESTS have NONE of these things.

Tebow was a media vehicle in an effort to boost potential PSL among non-football fans and to sell merchandise. Tebow was not about Football per se.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:19 AM

Tebow is not any good. The ONLY reason he did anything last year as a starting QB is because Denver's defense got hot for a while and was able to keep its team in games. His best game was against Pittsburgh in the playoffs, and that's because Tomlin decided to give him no respect as far as his gameplan went. But basically it's pretty simple, re: Tebow...if the defense is giving up some points, he is not capable of keeping pace.

Bit of a contradiction here. Tebow sucks but the Steelers lost because they didn't respect. But I do see what you are saying.

Not even calling for Tebow but a backup in general. Sanchez has been replacement level bad in some of these games. And you guys are right, right now the Jets have zero weapons. Well go with the ground and pound using an asset in Tebow. One of the benefit of a run option offense is ball control. A three and out taking three minutes off the clock is better than one with 30 seconds. String a couple first downs together, and that defense starts getting grinded down. That's what has happened to the Jets D a lot this year, they need to protect them a bit. Especially with the injury to Revis.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:42 AM

Bit of a contradiction here. Tebow sucks but the Steelers lost because they didn't respect. But I do see what you are saying.

Not even calling for Tebow but a backup in general. Sanchez has been replacement level bad in some of these games. And you guys are right, right now the Jets have zero weapons. Well go with the ground and pound using an asset in Tebow. One of the benefit of a run option offense is ball control. A three and out taking three minutes off the clock is better than one with 30 seconds. String a couple first downs together, and that defense starts getting grinded down. That's what has happened to the Jets D a lot this year, they need to protect them a bit. Especially with the injury to Revis.


Not really a contradiction...Tomlin pretty much decided that Tebow couldn't possibly hurt him, and decided to focus almost 100% on shutting down the run. But you have to give even bad NFL QBs a little bit of respect, and Tebow has shown that he can hurt you here and there...not nearly enough and with no consistency, but just enough that you can't act like there's absolutely no way he can beat you.

I think last season, when Tebow and the Broncos went on that little streak, it had so much more to do with defense...and people are forgetting what happened AFTER that streak ended. It got very ugly very quickly. I don't think any team that has Tebow as its starting QB will ever have a six-game winning streak like last season's Broncos. That was a perfect storm where everything came together absolutely perfectly for that team to overcome Tebow's deficiencies. He should thank all of his lucky stars that so many things that needed to fall into place for him to succeed did, because that winning streak is going to buy him more chances than he should get and keep him relevant for much longer than he deserves to be. John Elway couldn't have been more right about him...Tebow is just about out of pixie dust...unless the Jets' D suddenly has a hot streak like Denver's did last season, Tebow will not start winning games for the Jets.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:19 PM

Not neccessarily true. Being a Giant fan under Coughlin you have a great front office draft quality players, fantastic coaching molding these prospects and an OC who understands how to tap into that talent. The JESTS have NONE of these things.

Tebow was a media vehicle in an effort to boost potential PSL among non-football fans and to sell merchandise. Tebow was not about Football per se.


and the worst defense in football. They blew a 23 point lead yesterday, Manning was bad, and they won by a fingertip, literally

the giants have great receivers, I'll give them that. They bail out manning alot by making great catches on a lot of badly thrown balls. But they're also on an unheard of streak of good luck after their defense has gotten absolutely torched all year
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

Not really a contradiction...Tomlin pretty much decided that Tebow couldn't possibly hurt him, and decided to focus almost 100% on shutting down the run. But you have to give even bad NFL QBs a little bit of respect, and Tebow has shown that he can hurt you here and there...not nearly enough and with no consistency, but just enough that you can't act like there's absolutely no way he can beat you.

I think last season, when Tebow and the Broncos went on that little streak, it had so much more to do with defense...and people are forgetting what happened AFTER that streak ended. It got very ugly very quickly. I don't think any team that has Tebow as its starting QB will ever have a six-game winning streak like last season's Broncos. That was a perfect storm where everything came together absolutely perfectly for that team to overcome Tebow's deficiencies. He should thank all of his lucky stars that so many things that needed to fall into place for him to succeed did, because that winning streak is going to buy him more chances than he should get and keep him relevant for much longer than he deserves to be. John Elway couldn't have been more right about him...Tebow is just about out of pixie dust...unless the Jets' D suddenly has a hot streak like Denver's did last season, Tebow will not start winning games for the Jets.


Pretty much this. Broncos ended 8-8 last year in what was easily the worst division in football. If you took a look at his numbers last season, and just left out the name, you would think that it was Brady Quinn qb'ing your team. Tebow did enough to win, but this idea that he can be the savior or a long term solution at QB is ridiculous.

I can tell you this though. So long as Sporano is the offensive coordinator, Jets are going nowhere.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:34 PM

Sporano has been better than the disaster that is Schotty in St. Louis, I'll give him that.

Let's be real about Tebow, he's barely involved in the offense and has had no impact on any Jets wins or losses this year. He is not the reason Holmes is out, Keller missing a couple of games, or Revis, Scott, and Kenrick Ellis is out. He has nothing to do with Sanchez holding the ball too long, having no pocket presence or throwing bad picks. He's done that all since DAY 1.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:54 PM

Sanchez has been replacement level bad in some of these games.


..could be worse. We could have Newton, Rivers, or Romo.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:22 PM

Sporano has been better than the disaster that is Schotty in St. Louis, I'll give him that.

Let's be real about Tebow, he's barely involved in the offense and has had no impact on any Jets wins or losses this year. He is not the reason Holmes is out, Keller missing a couple of games, or Revis, Scott, and Kenrick Ellis is out. He has nothing to do with Sanchez holding the ball too long, having no pocket presence or throwing bad picks. He's done that all since DAY 1.


I'm referring to if Tebow is named the starter. Lightning is not striking twice with that guy.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:24 PM

Sporano has been better than the disaster that is Schotty in St. Louis, I'll give him that.

Let's be real about Tebow, he's barely involved in the offense and has had no impact on any Jets wins or losses this year. He is not the reason Holmes is out, Keller missing a couple of games, or Revis, Scott, and Kenrick Ellis is out. He has nothing to do with Sanchez holding the ball too long, having no pocket presence or throwing bad picks. He's done that all since DAY 1.


By seasons end most Jet fans will realize how bad Soprano is and yearn for Schott.

Lets be real about Tebow.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:30 PM

Lets be real about Tebow, listening to Rex Ryan every Monday, clearly he did not want Tebow.

Also, admit that Manning is a top tier QB. He is not Lucky. He is that good.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:35 AM

This would be the best thing to happen to the Jets this season. Whether you like Tebow or not, or whether you think the Jets are using him correctly or not, the one thing that can't be disputed is that his presence has not helped his team. This should not be seen as a "work in progress"...no way the Jets were planning on being a 3-5 team in transition this year. If anything, this could go down as a wasted year, especially since both the AFC East and the AFC in general is not strong.

http://msn.foxsports...rt-trade-103012

Link to the Tebow article will be on the NFL homepage, on the left.

If the Jets actually correct this mistake, they can then give Sanchez some offensive weapons in the offseason, and give him next year as a "final shot" kind of season, to see what he can do when his franchise isn't trying to actively sabotage him.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:38 PM

It's too bad the Jets lost out on young WR Mike Thomas before talking to Jacksonville about trading Tebow
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