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#61 H.E. Pennypacker

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:58 PM

another number for you

23 gwg since he signed his contract.

do you know how many sidney crosby has in that time

17
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 11:31 PM

He's still getting $6M checks today, November, 2010.....



He's getting $5M checks. His cap hit is 6. It's not his fault Lou couldn't work the cap better.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 11:40 PM

He's getting $5M checks. His cap hit is 6. It's not his fault Lou couldn't work the cap better.


to be fair he's probably getting $60,975.61 checks....but that's if its a check a game....do they get paid weekly? monthly? A big ole sack o'cash brown bag green dollar sign in the middle style? cuz that's how I would want mine....
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 11:51 PM

Patty was a point per game in 08-09 with 31G-47A-78pts in 77 games and had 48pts in 58 games last year while struggling with injury. I don't think that's too bad. 08-09 was a year where many players had career years on offense, so lets say if Elias had stayed healthy all year last year, but ended up with the same % of pts compared to 08-09 that Zach did, he'd have had 71pts. This of course is an estimate to account for the more defensive system we played last year compared to 08-09 and obviously assumes a lot, but I don't think it's too far fetched. Even if he only managed to put up 65-68pts, that's not too shabby either.

I think people here have a real "what have you done for me lately" attitude about the players, which isn't always a bad thing, but with a guy that's put in the time to this team like Elias has, I think he's earned the right to be given a little extra slack during slumps. Now if he doesn't break out of this at all, then it's a real problem.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 12:44 AM

IMO we need to let kovy do his thing, thats what we signed, a goal scoring machine russian sniper, stop trying to change him, let him play his style and he will produce, if players like elias cant deal with it then dont put them on the same line, just my opinion


EDIT...just my opinion maxpower, if i knew you were online i wouldnt of even commented

Edited by Zubie#8, 09 November 2010 - 01:19 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 12:50 AM

I agree, and if he doesn't know what side of the ice he should be on, when he's on the PP, and if he feels like, "you know, Dubinsky's going to the right, and I don't feel like changing direction, so I'll skate into the goal"... that's awesome too!

and if you give him a lead pass, we should just let him go left to right into a 1 on 4, to either have the puck chipped away or get his shot blocked. that is if he takes a shot and he doesn't go all the way to the right.
if his teammates can't keep up with him, they're just too fvcking slow! even if they were changing at the time and he was supposed to dump it in and get off.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 12:59 AM

From 2003 to 2009 kovalchuk averaged around 35 to 50 assists per yr with addition to over 40goals per year, so he is capable of creating plays while playing his own style.

I think elias should of kept this one in the locker room and worry about his own play.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:03 AM

I agree. if he wants to elbow someone for no fvcking reason, that's awesome! Elias should fvck off with his opinion, because he's an old fvck that's never accomplished anything in his life.

god, I'm not one of those people who really want to hate on Kovalchuk, but Kovalshills are freaking annoying.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:04 AM

your such a douche

Edited by Zubie#8, 09 November 2010 - 01:18 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:20 AM

what did I say that's untrue? if he wants to overextend his shift by magically switching to RW when it's time to come off, that's freaking awesome! if you're criticizing him for that, you're just some bitter old geezer!

fine, I get it, no one should criticize someone else because they're all awful. well, Kovy's game last Friday went above and beyond awful into a territory I'd expect if someone gave Andrew Peters 20 minutes to play.

that play that led to the SH goal was pathetic, yet everyone Kovalchuk superfan poster everywhere, has gone out of the way to blame everyone else for it.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:24 AM

LOL i dont care what you think about my opinions, you have the right to disagree with me and express how you feel, its just the way you comment which is very annoying and pompus

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:29 AM

and people that deny there's anything wrong with the way he's playing, and find 8,000 external reasons for it, are annoying. I guess we're at an impasse.

he's not playing well. he had a pretty good game against Chicago, but it's been few and far between for awhile.
and Elias isn't the only player that's said something cryptic about it.

he needs to get his head out of his ass and fast, because there aren't going to be goals coming from many other places for awhile.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:32 AM

another number for you

23 gwg since he signed his contract.

do you know how many sidney crosby has in that time

17

Which player would you take right now Beetlebum?

A generational talent in his prime or a very good player who is aging and is on a contract well above his current worth?

Sutter's a racist eh? I guess someone must have forgotten to tell him the Iginla's not white so he take his "C" as well... he's gotten away with murder for 2 years now.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:33 AM

Ya i agree he is definitely struggling and looks horrendous out there, i just feel he should play his style, and thats my opinion and dont need any pompus remarks about it. I respect everyones opinion on here and explain how i feel, you should do the same, and THAT my friend is just my opinion :whistling:
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:36 AM

IMO we need to let kovy do his thing, thats what we signed, a goal scoring machine russian sniper, stop trying to change him, let him play his style and he will produce, if players like elias cant deal with it then dont put them on the same line, just my opinion


EDIT...just my opinion maxpower, if i knew you were online i wouldnt of even commented


I looked for the word "winning" in your post. Couldn't find it. I see that "Russian" made it, thank goodness. We don't want any of those Canadian or Swedish snipers. :D
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#76 Jerrydevil

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:41 AM

Which player would you take right now Beetlebum?

A generational talent in his prime or a very good player who is aging and is on a contract well above his current worth?

Sutter's a racist eh? I guess someone must have forgotten to tell him the Iginla's not white so he take his "C" as well... he's gotten away with murder for 2 years now.


Sutter says the blacks are OK, it's those freakin Eastern Euros that are scum.

As far as the first part of your post, I'll take the aging player. I only have to look at him for three more years. I get the "generational talent" for 15 years ... for many of those years I get to see a talent degenerate.

Edited by Jerrydevil, 09 November 2010 - 01:43 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:42 AM

Ya i agree he is definitely struggling and looks horrendous out there, i just feel he should play his style, and thats my opinion and dont need any pompus remarks about it. I respect everyones opinion on here and explain how i feel, you should do the same, and THAT my friend is just my opinion :whistling:


all the things I described *are* his style. he's a streaky scorer and he's in a slump now. but the rest of that stuff is a laundry list of complaints about his game that go back to Atlanta and for awhile.

and he's doing it here. last year there was some of it, but not as much. he actually exceeded expectations in playing decently smart and playing decently hard, after they stoped playing him 45 minutes a game and settled him in as the 2nd line LW. now, he's a virtually useless floater.

so, if they feel free about calling him out on it, considering these are people who don't throw people under a bus for a living (like Bobby does), it must mean something. it's not them, it's not the coach, like you posted on your status, it's him. the guy that played for Lemaire was a better player than the schlock Johnny Mac has gotten outside of the first 10 minutes, with exceptions here and there.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:47 AM

all the things I described *are* his style. he's a streaky scorer and he's in a slump now. but the rest of that stuff is a laundry list of complaints about his game that go back to Atlanta and for awhile.

and he's doing it here. last year there was some of it, but not as much. he actually exceeded expectations in playing decently smart and playing decently hard, after they stoped playing him 45 minutes a game and settled him in as the 2nd line LW. now, he's a virtually useless floater.

so, if they feel free about calling him out on it, considering these are people who don't throw people under a bus for a living (like Bobby does), it must mean something. it's not them, it's not the coach, like you posted on your status, it's him. the guy that played for Lemaire was a better player than the schlock Johnny Mac has gotten outside of the first 10 minutes, with exceptions here and there.

Very good, a non pompus post, mission accomplished :cheers:

And yes i want the kovalchuk that played for Lemaire, that was the reason for my status, he played smart and produced well.

Edited by Zubie#8, 09 November 2010 - 01:48 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 08:36 AM

Haven't read a lot of the replies, but I think this is a good thing. Coming from just about any other player on the Devils (bar Marty) Id be a bit iffy about it, but all that Patty says is right. Kovy tries his ass off and wants to be succesful and wants to earn the money hes being paid, but its a been a slow transition with a lot of the changes.

Kovy can and will adjust his game. He will and will be our all-time leading goal scorer by the time his career here is over.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:07 AM

Haven't read a lot of the replies, but I think this is a good thing. Coming from just about any other player on the Devils (bar Marty) Id be a bit iffy about it, but all that Patty says is right. Kovy tries his ass off and wants to be succesful and wants to earn the money hes being paid, but its a been a slow transition with a lot of the changes.

Kovy can and will adjust his game. He will and will be our all-time leading goal scorer by the time his career here is over.


Hmmm. An average of about 34 goals a year for 10 years? He should manage to do that.
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