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#1 Martyisth3b3st

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 02:46 PM

Next year, are we:

Rebuilding: another poor season, but through a solid draft and deadline moves our farm system is looking great for the future. Not the immediate future, mind you, but in 4-5 years we have the potential to become a power.

or:

Reloading: a fluke season behind us, we take advantage of the high draft pick and long offseason to fix what went wrong. Once again, we're the team that everyone bashes in the offseason, only to be surprised at the results. Our core shows up, our young talent starts to really spread their wings, and once again we're the Devils everyone fell in love with.

Honest opinion; and why?
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 02:48 PM

Reloading............
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 03:02 PM


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Posted 19 December 2010 - 03:03 PM

reload

get a better coach

dump captain crybaby

either get a #2 center if arnott doesnt stay for cheap.

do anything possible to rid this team of rolston.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 03:07 PM

Its a thin line right now. This team has a lot of needs.

We do not have an NHL level defense. We need at least one more center.

Its hard to judge Marty despite him playing like ass, as the defense in front of him is so terrible.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 03:54 PM

I want to see a reload, but with more of a shake up than Lou's 'average' reload. I would like to see it start at the deadline this year.

Trade Arnott and Langs at the deadline for picks
Explore the market for Greene and Clarkson
If anyone asks about White, Sal, or Tallinder, you GIVE them away

Offseason -
Try like hell to move Rolston + one of White/Sal
Sign Parise long term, if possible
Offer Hedberg a contract - with the TDevs
Qualify Taormina and Salmela
Draft best defensemen available
Look to sign a defensemen, Ehrhoff, Brewer, or Bieksa
Give the young kids a shot to stick around again
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 04:32 PM

I want to see a reload, but with more of a shake up than Lou's 'average' reload. I would like to see it start at the deadline this year.

Trade Arnott and Langs at the deadline for picks
Explore the market for Greene and Clarkson
If anyone asks about White, Sal, or Tallinder, you GIVE them away

Offseason -
Try like hell to move Rolston + one of White/Sal
Sign Parise long term, if possible
Offer Hedberg a contract - with the TDevs
Qualify Taormina and Salmela
Draft best defensemen available
Look to sign a defensemen, Ehrhoff, Brewer, or Bieksa
Give the young kids a shot to stick around again

You haven't been watching any hockey if you think White has to go. He's been our 2nd best defenseman this year hands down.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 04:49 PM

You haven't been watching any hockey if you think White has to go. He's been our 2nd best defenseman this year hands down.


this. White is our best Dman after ATrain
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 05:16 PM

I want to see a reload, but with more of a shake up than Lou's 'average' reload. I would like to see it start at the deadline this year.

Trade Arnott and Langs at the deadline for picks
Explore the market for Greene and Clarkson
If anyone asks about White, Sal, or Tallinder, you GIVE them away

Offseason -
Try like hell to move Rolston + one of White/Sal
Sign Parise long term, if possible
Offer Hedberg a contract - with the TDevs HA, this made me laugh
Qualify Taormina and Salmela
Draft best defensemen available
Look to sign a defensemen, Ehrhoff, Brewer, or Bieksa
Give the young kids a shot to stick around again


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Posted 19 December 2010 - 06:00 PM

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 06:07 PM

Obviously I think we'd all prefer a reload to a rebuild...but you have to ask yourself if Lou could possibly make this team that much better through one offseason.

Even if we draft larsson, I suspect he'll play a year or two in the AHL (just seems to be the way Lou handles the rookies). So without a UFA addition, the AHL-calibur defense stays the same.

Who from this upcoming UFA class is worth signing on defense? We've all witnessed Lou bringing in an established player only to see him tank, especially with defensemen.

It seems to me that a rebuild (2+ years at least) is sorta inevitable, especially with Marty approaching retirement.

Too many holes to fill in one year. :noclue:
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 06:09 PM

it's a reload, duh. you have white tallinder volchenkov in back with kovalchuk parise and zajac up front.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 06:59 PM

You haven't been watching any hockey if you think White has to go. He's been our 2nd best defenseman this year hands down.

And look how well that turned out for us. I don't think White has to go, one of those guys does, though.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 07:25 PM

Here, You Boogers. I posted a list a week or so ago of possible players we could get in the offseason:
Defense
Francois Beauchemin TOR 1G 4A -3 3.5mil
Brent Burns MIN 6G 8A -6 3.5mil
Braydon Coburn PHI 1G 6A +6 3.4mil
Carlo Colaiacovo STL 3G 6A -8 2.5mil
Trevor Daley DAL 2G 8A +10 2.5mil
Davis Drewiske LAK 0G 5A -2 625,000
Christian Ehroff VAN 4G 8A +2 3.1mil
Mark Fistric DAL 0G 1A -1 1mil
Mark Giordano CGY 3G 10A +2 4.6mil
Nicklas Grossman DAL 0G 3A +1 1.6mil
Peter Harrold LAK 1G 3A +/- 0 500,000 UFA
Barret Jackman STL 0G 4A +8 3.6mil UFA 12-13
Tomas Kaberle TOR 0G 14A +3 4.2mil UFA
Mike Komisarek TOR 1G 6A 4.5mil
Andrej Meszaros PHI 1G *A +16 4mil
Matt Niskanen DAL 0G 3A +1 1.5mil
Theo Peckham EDM 1G 4A +4 550,000
Roman Polak STL 1G 0A +2 1.1mil RFA
Kyle Quincey COL 0G 0A -4 3.1mil
Robin Regehr CGY 0G 3A +4 4mil
Luca Sbisa ANA 0G 0A -8 875,000
Nick Schultz MIN 2G 6A -4 3.5mil
Mark Stuart BOS 0G 2A +3 1.6mil
Ryan Suter NSH 0G 6A +1 3.5mil
Marc Edward Vlasic SJS 0G 0A -6 3.1mil
Kurtis Foster EDM 3G 6A -3 1.8mil
Garnet Exelby. Great big d man. Currently with Rockford.

Goalies
Alex Auld MTL UFA 1mil
Johnathan Bernier LAK 1.525 UFA 12-13
Andrew Raycroft DAL 650,000
Mike Smith TBL 2.2mil UFA
TY Conklin STL 1.3mil UFA
Michael Leighton PHI 1.5mil
Josh Harding MIN 1.2mil UFA
I still think getting Ben Bishop from St. Louis may work.

RW
Steve Bernier FLA 3G 5A -3 2mil RFA
BJ Crombeen STL 3G 2A -7 872,000 RFA
Nigel Dawes ATL IR -6 600,000 UFA
Trent Hunter NYI 1G 3A -3 2mil
Antti Miettinen MIN 7G 6A -4 2.3 UFA
David Moss CGY 2G 3A +1 1.3mil
PA Parenteau NYI 4G 10A -5 600,000 UFA
Ryan Shannon OTT 3G 4A -2 625,000 UFA
Jakub Voracek CBJ 5G 11A -3 1.2mil
Joel Ward NSH 2G 5A -6 1.5mil UFA
Patrick Eaves DET 4G 2A +3 750,000

CENTER
Artem Anisimov NYR 7G 8A -7 812,000 RFA
Mikael Backlun CGY 3G 2A +3 787,000
Dustin Boyd MTL 1G 0A 9GP 650,000 RFA
Kyle Brodziak MIN 4G 3A +4 1.1mil
Jeff Carter PHI 12G 10A +7 5.2mil
Michael Frolik FLA 5G 9A +7 1.2mil
Mikhail Grabovski TOR 6G 12A +2 2.9mil
Chris Kelly OTT 6G 3A +/- 0 2.1mil
Maxim LaPierre MTL 4G 2A -2 900,000 RFA
Shawn Matthias FLA 4G 4A +1 795,000
Andy McDonald STL 8G 9A +3 4.7mil
Rich Peverley ATL 7G 11A -4 1.3mil UFA
Mike Ribeiro DAL 4G 19A +1 5mil
Marc Savard BOS 2 GP 4mil
Matt Stajan CGY 1G 15A +6 4.5mil
Stephen Weiss FLA 5G 6A -2 3.1mil
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 07:31 PM

You haven't been watching any hockey if you think White has to go. He's been our 2nd best defenseman this year hands down.



If you are going to argue with people's opinions,then why ask for their honest opinion. What college are you in?

Brodeur isn't what he used to be and he was never number 1 in his best year.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 07:36 PM

i'd like to get younger so if that's a rebuild then i choose that.

i'm not saying this is what they should or will do, this is just the direction i hope they take. i've been pretty optimistic all season long so far, up until these last two games. after this weekend, i really think the organization needs to start looking at an overhaul. i can live with a rebuild if it's done correctly and hopefully successfully.

get rid of langs, rolston(if possible), zubrus(though i like him), salvador, greene, clarkson, replace them with some of our prospects and free agents(for 3rd/4th line roles). keep white/elias. then tell marty this is what the franchise needs to do now. he can either stay with the team and rebuild or ask to be traded. i'd prefer he stay. but i don't think this team can be reloaded anymore. i think we need a bit of an overhaul with a new group of players. and we must keep parise.

i think zajac/parise and ilya/josefson can be the start of a really nice first two lines, with tedenby/elias thrown onto one of them.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 07:42 PM

If you are going to argue with people's opinions,then why ask for their honest opinion. What college are you in?

It's a message board. I didn't ask for everyone's opinion so I could blindly agree with it. I disagree with him, that doesn't mean I dislike him as a person or discredit his hockey sense at all.

I go to the University of Miami, why?

it's a reload, duh. you have white tallinder volchenkov in back with kovalchuk parise and zajac up front.

I really can't tell if you're serious or not.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 07:59 PM

Reload. Get a half-decent puck-moving defenseman, healthy roster, and unload some dead weight.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 08:16 PM

And look how well that turned out for us. I don't think White has to go, one of those guys does, though.


one of the worst logic fails i see around here on a consistent basis is 'we're losing with you, we can lose without you'. white is a very solid player and there's no way he should go anywhere.

i was hoping brodeur would demand a trade after last night. that would actually be an excellent result for the season if he did that.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 08:25 PM

i was hoping brodeur would demand a trade after last night. that would actually be an excellent result for the season if he did that.


that is just not going to happen. you're gonna have to give up on this dream my friend.
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