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[Vic Rattlehead18]

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"I guarantee we won't have two seasons like this in a row.''

A guarantee to verse Messiers make believe gaurantee!?!?!?! haha

[ZeroGravityFat]

who would the yanks beat that one game? my money is on pitt.

[DaneykoIsGod]

Brodeur's big save/weak goal ratio isn't what it usually is.

At the same time, the team has only won 5 games with Brodeur in net and 3 of them were shutouts.

This team isn't good this year.

[ghdi]

who would the yanks beat that one game? my money is on pitt.

Boston. They'd steal one game from Boston.

[ZeroGravityFat]

i don't think i would watch a losing yankees season, baseball's already a borderline snore fest of a game.

[CarpathianForest]

What exactly would you consider a fair return? We're sure as hell not getting a first round pick for him nor are we going to get a top 4 defender from a team looking for a rental, especially from neither of the teams you mentioned.

If Marty was for it and the return was good, sure, it'd be something to consider, but it's not going to happen. He deserves the right to finish his career here and not go anywhere else if thats what he wants. He's the only player I would even consider giving this weight to.

And no, Marty isnt the Devils, but we certainly don't know the success we have known with him, without, and no one can argue against that. The Prudential Center likely doesn't exist and hell, the team may have been moved without Marty.

Some players are worth more than their ability on the ice/field. We're not the Yankees who sell out even if they're 1-161.

Marty could finish his career here. He'd just be a rental for another team for the playoffs. Look what St. Louis got for Keith Tkachuk:
On February 25, 2007, Tkachuk was traded to the Atlanta Thrashers for Glen Metropolit, a 1st round pick in 2007, a 3rd round pick in 2007 and a 2nd round pick in 2008. On June 26 of the same year, St. Louis reacquired Tkachuk along with a conditional 4th round draft pick for a conditional first round pick in 2008. If Tkachuk had resigned with the Thrashers, the Blues would have had Atlanta's 1st round pick in 2008. Since the Blues acquired exclusive negotiating rights with Tkachuk and resigned him to a two-year deal, Atlanta received a conditional 4th round pick in 2008.
And Marty would have a potential shot at a 4th cup.

Edited by CarpathianForest, 22 December 2010 - 03:29 PM.

[ZeroGravityFat]

as long as it's a team i can support when the devils are golfing, that would rock, i would have a team to follow.

[CarpathianForest]

Brodeur's big save/weak goal ratio isn't what it usually is.

At the same time, the team has only won 5 games with Brodeur in net and 3 of them were shutouts.

This team isn't good this year.

And Marty's had to play his arse off in each of those games. He's already got a nagging elbow injury. How longs is it going to be until he really f$cks himself up trying to get a win for this team. If that happens he retires as a shell of his former self. We've already seen the past few seasons how burned out he gets during the season with all his starts. If you trade him as a rental he probably has a decrease in starts. It's obvious Lou ain't gonna bother to shore up the defense so why not let him play behind an actual defense insteading potentially injuring himself behind our sh&tty defense.

[ghdi]

Marty could finish his career here. He'd just be a rental for another team for the playoffs. Look what St. Louis got for Keith Tkachuk:
On February 25, 2007, Tkachuk was traded to the Atlanta Thrashers for Glen Metropolit, a 1st round pick in 2007, a 3rd round pick in 2007 and a 2nd round pick in 2008. On June 26 of the same year, St. Louis reacquired Tkachuk along with a conditional 4th round draft pick for a conditional first round pick in 2008. If Tkachuk had resigned with the Thrashers, the Blues would have had Atlanta's 1st round pick in 2008. Since the Blues acquired exclusive negotiating rights with Tkachuk and resigned him to a two-year deal, Atlanta received a conditional 4th round pick in 2008.
And Marty would have a potential shot at a 4th cup.

Call it greed, but the thought of Marty's name on a Cup under WASHINGTON CAPITALS or other make it hard to accept. Its also no guarantee he comes back. Say Washington won the Cup with him, its a risk of him staying there as winning is hard to pass up, especially if Lou/JVB decides to really blow this up.

Obviously if a deal like that came along it'd have to be looked at, but in the case of Metropolit, I believe that was an expiring contract, so it was mainly for the draft picks. If rebuilding is our only route, then yea, I'd be fine with Marty being traded like that, however we're not suffering completely. We need to get younger in certain respects and the defense needs to be overhauled, but this same team for the most part was atop the Eastern Conference one year ago.

St. Louis was in a much different position than we are. They had virtually nothing but Tkachuk and the young guys they were developing. I think we have a lot more positives/talent to build off of.

I also believe we assuredly will lose Parise if we go the complete rebuild direction.

[Triumph]

such a trade would be at the very least highly unethical.

[CarpathianForest]

Call it greed, but the thought of Marty's name on a Cup under WASHINGTON CAPITALS or other make it hard to accept. Its also no guarantee he comes back. Say Washington won the Cup with him, its a risk of him staying there as winning is hard to pass up, especially if Lou/JVB decides to really blow this up.

Obviously if a deal like that came along it'd have to be looked at, but in the case of Metropolit, I believe that was an expiring contract, so it was mainly for the draft picks. If rebuilding is our only route, then yea, I'd be fine with Marty being traded like that, however we're not suffering completely. We need to get younger in certain respects and the defense needs to be overhauled, but this same team for the most part was atop the Eastern Conference one year ago.

St. Louis was in a much different position than we are. They had virtually nothing but Tkachuk and the young guys they were developing. I think we have a lot more positives/talent to build off of.

I also believe we assuredly will lose Parise if we go the complete rebuild direction.

You bring up some good points, but let's say he goes to Washington and they win the cup. Washington is going to be up against the cap and they have a slew of RFAs and UFAs they'll need to sign over the next two years. Resigning Brodeur at 5.2 mil for 1 more season would be a boneheaded move for them. I imagine we would get a deal as good if not better than the Tkachuk deal with Brodeur. He's got light years more playoff experience than Walt.

[CarpathianForest]

such a trade would be at the very least highly unethical.

In what way and for whom? If Marty is okay with it then what's the problem. I believe he has to consent to being moved anyway. It's obvious Marty is a very patient, understanding guy with all the lopsided scores he's had to see at the end of the night. I would have imagined he would have gon all Patrick Roy "trade me now" already, but he's not like that.

[maxpower]

Brodeur's big save/weak goal ratio isn't what it usually is.

At the same time, the team has only won 5 games with Brodeur in net and 3 of them were shutouts.

This team isn't good this year.

and in Moose's crazy week, they won three games. in those three wins, he gave up 2 goals. two of the games had to be won in the SO.

it ain't the goalies. to win a game in regulation, the goalie basically has to shut out the opposition. literally. they have 5 regulation wins. 4 are shutouts.

Edited by maxpower, 22 December 2010 - 04:16 PM.

[DaneykoIsGod]

they have 5 regulation wins. 4 are shutouts.

Wow. Toss that sucker in the depressing stat thread.

[Sickman]

and in Moose's crazy week, they won three games. in those three wins, he gave up 2 goals. two of the games had to be won in the SO.

it ain't the goalies. to win a game in regulation, the goalie basically has to shut out the opposition. literally. they have 5 regulation wins. 4 are shutouts.

Thank you. I just don't understand this talk that Brodeur is allowing all these soft goals. And for arguments sake, let us say that he is. What difference does this make? This team is dead last in scoring and by a wide margin. And they can't defend for sh!t. Ok, maybe we'll lose 3 to 1 instead of 4 -1 or 5 -1. And this changes things how exactly? This team would not be any better with anyone else in net. They're not good enough and are not playing well enough to compete. End of story.

[Devils731]

Thank you. I just don't understand this talk that Brodeur is allowing all these soft goals. And for arguments sake, let us say that he is. What difference does this make? This team is dead last in scoring and by a wide margin. And they can't defend for sh!t. Ok, maybe we'll lose 3 to 1 instead of 4 -1 or 5 -1. And this changes things how exactly? This team would not be any better with anyone else in net. They're not good enough and are not playing well enough to compete. End of story.

The team being crappy offensively has nothing to do with examining how the goaltending is doing. In that regard let us just excuse all the crappy offense and defense because of the crappy goaltending?

[pattyelias]

I am sorry is there a difference losing 5-1 rather than losing 9-1 or 10-1? Please help me understand how a loss isn't a loss, thanks. Is there a possibility that a girl could be only a little bit pregnant rather than pregnant?

A 2-1 loss is like having 1 kid you can't afford. A 9-1 loss like having triplets.

[SatansDevils]

Brodeur is not going anywhere....looks like Fraser could be back next Wednesday vs. the Rangers. Needs more time to practice but could possibly play Sunday vs. Toronto.


Lamoriello on Brodeur: “He’s not going anywhere”

http://blogs.northje...going_anywhere/

Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello put any trade speculation concerning Martin Brodeur to rest today with four simple words.

“He’s not going anywhere,” Lamoriello told me.

Lamoriello didn’t want to even discuss the subject, but after Brodeur was askd about it earlier today—and repeated his desire to remain a Devil for his entire career—I felt compelled to ask him.

“I don’t ever get into those discussions, but no (Brodeur won’t be traded).” Lamoriello said. “We have 50 games left in our season and that’s what we’re focused on right now.”

[maxpower]

Wow. Toss that sucker in the depressing stat thread.

it's actually incorrect. *3* are shutouts. the Buffalo win was an OT shutout. I shoved that in there by mistake and forgot the 2-1 win over the Ducks.

either way. basically, if they give up more than one goal, they're losing.

[CarpathianForest]

it's actually incorrect. *3* are shutouts. the Buffalo win was an OT shutout. I shoved that in there by mistake and forgot the 2-1 win over the Ducks.

either way. basically, if they give up more than one goal, they're losing.

So basically we're playing dead puck era hockey while everyone else is playing post-lockout hockey.