I never said Marty is not a good goalie, I think he is quite good. Is he the all-time best? Well that is something we will never know since he never carried a team to a cup. What I do know is that for most of his career he never had to stand on his head each game he played. I am not quick just because he has the most wins (coupled with the fact that he played most of his career in the trap-era, played at least 70 games a season, and played a good part of his career in an era with no ties) to accept that he is the best-ever. I honestly would give that to either Roy or Hasek at this point. However, any mention of this I am called names and accusing me of abandoning him.
Agreed, Roy stole cups. Hasek NEVER stole a cup. He was a passenger when he got his name on it. Hasek was probably the best, but even he didn't steal a cup.
Also, 70 games a year shows incredible durability, both Hasek and Roy played in the trap or dead-puck era, and Brodeur passed the wins record even without shootout wins.
And again, if he's a product of the system, then there's no way he wins 3 Vezinas without Stevens, Nieds, etc. Yes, I know Clemmer played incredibly well when he was called on, but the ENTIRE team was playing way over their heads that year. They couldn't keep that up all year and they didn't. They limped into the playoffs on a big losing streak.
The point I'm making is that Brodeur is right up there with Hasek and Roy. Maybe not better, but definitely a top 5 all time in the same breath as Sawchuk, Plante, Dryden, etc.