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[BlueSkirt]

re-watch the 2000 Finals...then decide for yourself

[BlueSkirt]

In a top ten list I'd still put Roy ahead of Brodeur.

Playoffs, yes without question.

[Beezer34]

....not sure how this topic deformed into a; Brodeur's Legacy debate.
Marty's been garbage this season, simple as that. He doesn't deserve to be the clear starter for the Devils. He's looked sloppy, he's looked old, he's looked slow.. no two ways about it. I commend the decision to have Co. #1 goaltenders the rest of the season. Rotate them both game-to-game, and whoever plays better.. plays more. -Period.

Now having said that, how does this season take away from 3 Stanley Cups.. 2 Olympic Gold Medals.. 4 Vezina's.. 5 Jennings.. 1 Calder Memorial.. 10 All`Stars.. 600+ wins.. 100+ shutouts.. a World Cup & Challenge Bowl?

[BlueSkirt]

ya know what I like? Stats.


http://icehockey.wik...adiens_season

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http://icehockey.wik...lanche_season

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http://icehockey.wik...Devils_season

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Compare their stats for yourselves

[jim777]

I love Marty, always will, but this season is lost and I think we need to see what we've got in the pipe. I'd love to see Jeff Frazee get 10-15 starts from here on, especially since the Devils seem to be playing at a level that's somewhere between the minors and the rest of the NHL so far this season. See what we've got, and answer the question if that's another hole coming or if we're set for Marty's retirement. And if Frazee turns into a dynamo in his turns, then extend it and leave him in. It's not too soon to start looking in house for who could be in nets for us for the '12-'13 season.

[Pepperkorn]

So you rather deny that Brodeur is a product of the system and believe that Clemmer was on a 50-game streak? Sorry, I just do not buy that and you are selling Clemmer short. Yeah Clemmer is not nearly as good as Brodeur, I will give you at least that much, but to say that the Devils happen to go on such a long successful streak without Brodeur the exact same time Clemmer happened to be in net is silly.

YES I would deny it. We can agree to disagree, but I think all the flash in the pan goal tenders with one winning season (that'd be in the neighborhood of 82 games and sometimes playoffs included) kind of back up my claim more than your one single example of Clemmers 50 games. Couple that with the lack of any "system produced goalie pen" with more than one goalie of Broduer's caliber EVER. Also the fact no one else has been produced by our system before or since (please spare me the lame thats because Brodeur has been there the whole time - the whole what 15 years? Nice system -- even I don't give the system THAT much credit.

and I do not at all disagree that all good things must come to an end and Marty is undoubtedly on the down turn. but I'm not about to take anything away from him. Nor will I grant anything undue.

BALANCE people. Seriously

[Jerrydevil]

Agreed, Roy stole cups. Hasek NEVER stole a cup. He was a passenger when he got his name on it. Hasek was probably the best, but even he didn't steal a cup.

Also, 70 games a year shows incredible durability, both Hasek and Roy played in the trap or dead-puck era, and Brodeur passed the wins record even without shootout wins.

And again, if he's a product of the system, then there's no way he wins 3 Vezinas without Stevens, Nieds, etc. Yes, I know Clemmer played incredibly well when he was called on, but the ENTIRE team was playing way over their heads that year. They couldn't keep that up all year and they didn't. They limped into the playoffs on a big losing streak.

The point I'm making is that Brodeur is right up there with Hasek and Roy. Maybe not better, but definitely a top 5 all time in the same breath as Sawchuk, Plante, Dryden, etc.

Good post, Devil Dan.

[Beezer34]

Agreed, Roy stole cups. Hasek NEVER stole a cup. He was a passenger when he got his name on it. Hasek was probably the best, but even he didn't steal a cup.

The point I'm making is that Brodeur is right up there with Hasek and Roy. Maybe not better, but definitely a top 5 all time in the same breath as Sawchuk, Plante, Dryden, etc.

..you can absolutely make a debate that both Roy & Hasek are ahead of Brodeur on a Top Whatever all-time list. They both have their own records and accolades that set them apart from eachother. For me, when you look at stats as opposed to records.. Dryden stands alone.

When the hockey world had learned of Dryden retiring at the young age of 32, they were shocked. Winning his 5th Stanley Cup & 5th Vezina the year he retired, Dryden left hockey in his prime, and at the top of his game. People look past the fact that when Dryden played.. he dominated. He wasn't some compiler type netminder, that logged high statistics over a 20 year career. He played only seven full seasons. 7 Seasons! And in 7 seasons, Dryden earned 5 Stanley Cups.. 5 Vezina Trophy's.. 2 World Cups.. (then called; the Canada Cup) ..1 Rookie of the Year Calder Trophy.. 1 Conn Smythe MVP.. 6 All-Star Games.. 1 IIHF World Championship.. nearly 50 Shutouts.. and a career GAA of 2.24 (which is stunning considering the era Dryden played) If Dryden had played a full career (by law of averages) he might've retired with 700 wins, and over 100 shutouts! Before he broke into the league, Dryden turned heads by winning an NCAA National Championship at Cornell University. But it wasn't until he competed in the NHL, that he became a household name.

Though I never had the honor of seeing the man play first hand.. for me, Ken Dryden's #1.

Edited by Beezer34, 05 January 2011 - 01:38 AM.