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#61 Pepperkorn

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:03 PM

OK.

What is Patty's objective?

His overall demanded objective for his job?

He knows for a fact through the failures of Jamie Langenbrunner that taking the offensive with this coach is ineffective.

He knows this coach cannot be fired in the immediate future.

What is he accomplishing speaking to the press?

This has been proven an ineffective route to solving the ONLY problem he needs to be concerned with --- improving the current team.

It's NOT Jacques. Line changes are out of Patty's control and asking the press to change that for him isn't going to work.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:13 PM

OK.

What is Patty's objective?

His overall demanded objective for his job?

He knows for a fact through the failures of Jamie Langenbrunner that taking the offensive with this coach is ineffective.

He knows this coach cannot be fired in the immediate future.

What is he accomplishing speaking to the press?

This has been proven an ineffective route to solving the ONLY problem he needs to be concerned with --- improving the current team.

It's NOT Jacques. Line changes are out of Patty's control and asking the press to change that for him isn't going to work.


Patty's objective: Letting out his and the teams frustrations at a head coach who tunes them out and they him in turn.

Most likely JL is gone in a few months anyway,
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:25 PM

Patty's objective: Letting out his and the teams frustrations at a head coach who tunes them out and they him in turn.

Most likely JL is gone in a few months anyway,


I'm sorry but you don't let out your frustrations on a coach when you were sucking badly with the previous coach. This team has no leg to stand on when it comes to taking any of their feedback into account. They need to buck up and just play out the season.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:32 PM

This team has no leg to stand on when it comes to taking any of their feedback into account.


That may be true. Where's Lemaire's leg to stand on? The coach who "quit" after last season.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 03:12 PM

Patty's objective: Letting out his and the teams frustrations at a head coach who tunes them out and they him in turn.

Most likely JL is gone in a few months anyway,



THAT is the EXACT WRONG objective!

That's what's called playing your obstacle. You cannot focus on your obstacles. Focusing on what you think is keeping you from moving forward will ALWAYS result in failure. Mostly because more often than not that's not the real problem it's just a way to spin wheels and blow off steam. ANd even that has been tragically ineffective.


Objectives must always be positive in nature or you're doomed to fail.

(It's not just off ice you need to think this way -- this is also exactly what's been wrong with their game for I dont know how long -- if it sounds familiar I've written it before. They cannot play "control the puck" it too easily pulls them out of position. AND puts undue focus on their obstacle: the opposing team. They then play the opposing teams game. This team needs to find their objective - or as 90s put it their mission statement. It's a clear cut objective. then from there you break it up into immediate desired objectives. If you write them out you'll see what's creating your losing pattern :evil: Or you immediately identify any sub-objective that in reality is completely out of wack with your over-all desired objective.)

Lou also stocks his team with thinking players -- a guy who you can point to a specific play and ask what were you thinking and he has an answer - he is mentally present and has an answer. If he doesn't he's usually traded :evil: That is wy en masse they are particularly vulnerable to playing the obstacle over the objective and will also be able to STATE THE PROPER OBJECTIVE. The coach just has to understand -- no you weren't doing that - you ANTICIPATED YOUR OBSTACLE --- You are supposed to just be in the moment and play your objective THEN the anticipation just comes. you cannot create anticipation -- it is born out of playing your OBJECTIVE.

Are you all getting this? writing it down? printing it up for your coaching handbook? You're welcome by the way.


THIS is what Stevens did as captain... or so it seems from stories. At practice he'd hit you out of the blue -- how do you AVOID him? PLAY YOUR OBJECTIVE WHOLLY. If you don't you cannot anticipate and you get blind-sided. You over focus on the WRONG thing. He redirected focus to the objective not the obstacle.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 03:23 PM

Objectives must always be positive in nature or you're doomed to fail.


No disagreement, here, but again your dealing with a very frustrated individual not used to losing. Not an excuse, but I understand it.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 03:39 PM

No disagreement, here, but again your dealing with a very frustrated individual not used to losing. Not an excuse, but I understand it.

I knwo -- but it's the only way to dig out of it. They've bene losing long enough to be over this - this reads more lost than anything else. Rudderless.

and it IS lemaire's and Lou's fault. But then you have to suck it up and lead yourself -- nothing is getting through to management. :noclue: No one can save them but themselves. How can they not have deduced this as of yet? The System is enough. The system comes down to what the team does on ice -- it's not lie when coaches say that after winning a Cup. "You all say I'm a great coach but I can say anything at all -- it comes down to the players and what they do on the ice. THEY make it happen -- always."

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 04:54 PM

That may be true. Where's Lemaire's leg to stand on? The coach who "quit" after last season.


lol I think even the players know that was a sham, especially considering he said he was coming back then 'quit' four days later, the Devils kept him on salary then re-hired him back (which they wouldn't have done if he had truly retired and was off salary).

And btw, where was Elias's original quote really that bad? All he said was the power play was working and we knew what to do. Now Jacques was implementing another way and we have to adjust. I really don't see the criticism, he was just stating fact.

If anything his Kovy quote was far more biting, that I don't normally approve of except Kovy might be thick-headed enough to not take instruction in the locker room so sometimes you have to get the message out to the press.
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