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[Quinn01]

You must watch hockey with Stevie Wonder glasses. Langenbrunner has poor decision making with the puck, takes slap shots from everywhere and has no legs left.

As opposed to who? Kovie? Who trips over his own feet allowing multiple break aways that end up in goals most of the time this season?

[devilsrule33]

The bigger question is now that NJDEVS.com's favorite sacrificial lamb and red and black player-pinata is gone.

Who will this board turn to as its "scapegoat of choice"? Who will be responsible for the failure now?

Care to give your submission for Andy Greene? We know you want to.

[SatansDevils]

Langenbrunner will not be in the line up tonight for the Stars when they play the Rangers.

[insanity_gallops]

Langenbrunner will not be in the line up tonight for the Stars when they play the Rangers.

My main scapegoat right now is Clarkson. If he can bring something back in return, I'm all for it. I'd rather the Devils find someone else who can be a consistent grinder who hits/fights when needed, and also try to pick up a good 3rd liner like Chris Higgins (UFA this season, looks to have regained his scoring ability to an extent).

[iamtheprodigy]

As opposed to who? Kovie? Who trips over his own feet allowing multiple break aways that end up in goals most of the time this season?

Yes, as opposed to Kovy, who scores goals and can fly up the ice if he has the space to do so.

I'm not saying he's not had his ups and downs like everyone else this year, but if you're implying that he's not much better than Langenbrunner, you are very wrong. Jamie is not done as an NHLer, but he is done as a top-6 forward. I agree with Jason's assessment, the guy just makes terrible decisions with the puck and doesn't have the legs or strength to pressure players or start quick rushes like he used to. His skills are limited to killing penalties chipping in the odd goal here and there now. Kovy still has a lot of top-level hockey left in him.

[DevilinLA]

Care to give your submission for Andy Greene? We know you want to.

I've said little about AG this season - his play is speaking for itself.
One could argue that its his lack of projected growth to step up to be the PMD this team needed to generate a transition game was one of the major reasons why this team failed.
A gross overestimation by Lou - but I could see why he took the chance.

AG is fine @ his current salary playing 3rd pair minutes.

Too bad we have about 5 of this type of player.

It would be ludicrous to say that its all on him though.

Edited by DevilinLA, 07 January 2011 - 08:51 PM.

[sokar]

i wonder if we trade Arnott and Greene together, could we get a first round pick

[Quinn01]

Yes, as opposed to Kovy, who scores goals and can fly up the ice if he has the space to do so.

I'm not saying he's not had his ups and downs like everyone else this year, but if you're implying that he's not much better than Langenbrunner, you are very wrong. Jamie is not done as an NHLer, but he is done as a top-6 forward. I agree with Jason's assessment, the guy just makes terrible decisions with the puck and doesn't have the legs or strength to pressure players or start quick rushes like he used to. His skills are limited to killing penalties chipping in the odd goal here and there now. Kovy still has a lot of top-level hockey left in him.

Right, legs wise sure he is not what he used to be. Hes 35. He came into the NHL at 21. Kovie is 27 right now. He is young. So strictly speaking legs and strength, you are 110% correct, Kovie has Langs on that one. Kovie has made lousy passes this season, shoots from anywhere he has a lane, which yes he scores that way most of the time, but this season he has missed just like everyone else on the team has putting pucks on net. I agree with you also when you say Jamie is no longer a top 6 forward.

I base everyones performance this season on the Devils on their self confidence....which is low as it is with the situation with the way the season is going, not to mention everyone is sitting on their hands waiting for the pat on the shoulder from Lou saying "It's time to go. Your time is up here."

For me, the first player that came to mind to dropping passes and passes that just are not good enough was Kovie. Maybe that wasnt the best example.

I still say everyone is basing his performance here in NJ just from this past season and a half.

Edited by Quinn01, 07 January 2011 - 09:01 PM.

[sundstrom]

i think it's interesting that lou asked him to waive his NTC over the summer.

part of me thinks this team was doomed from the summer on. you hear now how they all had the cap issues hanging over them this summer. langs was already asked about his NTC which had to piss him off.

elias is chirping away.

too many guys think they know better than the coaches.

a coach with no real gameplan.

players in rolls they're not suited for.

tri said it in another thread - this was the slap in the face this organization needed to change its ways.

[HellOnICE]

Can someone clarify whether or not Rolston can be bought out? Can he be bought out for a cheaper-real-dollars-contract despite his cap-hit counting in full?

[ice dog]

yes, like you say... this team was doomed.

the team needs to be nuked and for the love of voodoo man, just sign parise...

[NJDevs4978]

Can someone clarify whether or not Rolston can be bought out? Can he be bought out for a cheaper-real-dollars-contract despite his cap-hit counting in full?

It'll probably save Vanderbeek some money but doesn't save us a penny on the cap, that much I do know. So unless we're in desperate financial straits (and somehow have the cap room to deal with a dead $5 million) he won't be bought out.

I still have hope of him being traded in the offseason as an expiring contract but it'll be a looong second half of the season for him

[sundstrom]

Can someone clarify whether or not Rolston can be bought out? Can he be bought out for a cheaper-real-dollars-contract despite his cap-hit counting in full?

rolston can be bought out. he would be paid 2/3 of his $5MM in real money over the next two seasons. but next season would see a true $5MM cap hit.

there will be 2-4 teams that would trade a bad contract for this exact reason over the summer. the bad contract the devils take back will be one they can stash in the minors for cap flexibility.

[HellOnICE]

rolston can be bought out. he would be paid 2/3 of his $5MM in real money over the next two seasons. but next season would see a true $5MM cap hit.

there will be 2-4 teams that would trade a bad contract for this exact reason over the summer. the bad contract the devils take back will be one they can stash in the minors for cap flexibility.

Yes, this was my point. Ok so if a team bought him out and the 2/3 would be paid over the two seasons, would the receiving team/blue jackets - be charged a cap hit for 2 years?

[Triumph]

rolston can be bought out. he would be paid 2/3 of his $5MM in real money over the next two seasons. but next season would see a true $5MM cap hit.

there will be 2-4 teams that would trade a bad contract for this exact reason over the summer. the bad contract the devils take back will be one they can stash in the minors for cap flexibility.

i don't think this is true, in looking over what's going on next season. i also don't think the devils should be stashing anything in the minor leagues.

[HellOnICE]

i don't think this is true, in looking over what's going on next season. i also don't think the devils should be stashing anything in the minor leagues.

I want the Rolston for Commie deal just to get a buyout...no minor leagues. Not good for anyone.

Hopefully CLB puts Commie on re-entry and no one bites.

[Triumph]

I want the Rolston for Commie deal just to get a buyout...no minor leagues. Not good for anyone.

Hopefully CLB puts Commie on re-entry and no one bites.

i would be down for this in the summer - rolston and a pick/prospect for commodore, each team buys out the other's problem. we can also structure the commodore buyout so that year 4 has much less money than year 2. so it could go something like 1M, 3M, 500k, 500k. i think that can be done, not willing to read up on the CBA to find out either how that buyout works or how the revenue sharing might be affected by columbus taking on an empty cap hit.

[HellOnICE]

Why not pull the trigger now, and just put Commie in the lineup for the rest of the season?

[Triumph]

Why not pull the trigger now, and just put Commie in the lineup for the rest of the season?

commodore didn't like NJ, i don't think columbus wants anything to do with rolston.

[HellOnICE]

Yea but Commodore wants to play, and the Devils want rid rolly like Columbus wants rid of Commodore. Sounds like both teams don't want these guys - it'd make sense to get rid of headache now.