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#41 Chimaira_Devil_#9

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:34 AM

I don't think Langenbrunner has EVER had a season worthy of being at this game.

ITs all about what the elite are doing around the league.

Patty's a respected vet but is no longer an elite-level player.


Come on DevilinLA you know i was being sarcastic about previous debates.

I agree with what you are saying, this team only has 2 elitle level players , one is far from being at the right level and the other one is sat in the stands watching.

But given the structure of the ASG and player selection methods patty is by far the only player deserving to go and represent the Devils.

I am hoping Patty can keep putting up the points and end the season close to a point per game player.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:15 AM

Its a sad state of affairs when a marquis player making $6M of cap space has 30pts at the half-way mark and we consider that "a really good season".

Now spare me the intangibles, loyalty, history, and "heart and soul" of the Devils bit - but by season performance alone he shouldn't be anywhere near this game - and he's acknowledged it.


scoring is down on the entire team. a falling tide lowers all boats. playing with sacks of garbage like rolston and langenbrunner is not going to help matters.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 12:36 PM

Elias thought Kovalchuk should have gone to the ASG. Elias feels undeserving of All-Star selection.

“It’s just a weird situation,” Elias said. “Do I feel good about my game? Yeah. Do I deserve to be one of the top 20 guys in the Eastern Conference? I don’t think so. Just because of this team’s results this season.”

“If the team isn’t doing well it doesn’t show in the stats, obviously,” Elias acknowledged. “But you have guys who have more than 40 or 50 points and their teams are winning, so those guys deserve to be there. It’s just reality.”

Elias said if the league felt it was necessary to send a Devils player to the All-Star Game, it should’ve been Ilya Kovalchuk. He is, after all, the $100 million marquee player fans like to see at these events.


http://www.nj.com/de...feels_unde.html


Elias also said he's honored to be Devils' All-Star representative....

"I'll go. It's a weird situation, no doubt about it, because of where we are in the standings," Elias said today. "Still, it's a privilege to be selected in any kind of situation. It's always an honor, so I'll go."


http://www.nj.com/de...es_honored.html
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 05:14 PM

scoring is down on the entire team. a falling tide lowers all boats. playing with sacks of garbage like rolston and langenbrunner is not going to help matters.

Seriously, thats your argument? Did the tide lower production throughout the whole league?
What about Arnott and Tedenby?

Feel this one my sabermetrics friend, Daniel Briere (39GP 22G 15A +19) was NOT selected, Elias was!
If those two players stats were reversed this board would be donning their tinfoil hats.

Patty's a great player but this purely stupid - the BEST players having the BEST seasons should play. Period.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 05:39 PM

Seriously, thats your argument? Did the tide lower production throughout the whole league?
What about Arnott and Tedenby?

Feel this one my sabermetrics friend, Daniel Briere (39GP 22G 15A +19) was NOT selected, Elias was!
If those two players stats were reversed this board would be donning their tinfoil hats.

Patty's a great player but this purely stupid - the BEST players having the BEST seasons should play. Period.


Sure..but every team has to be represented at the all-star game in some way. Elias shouldn't be there over a lot of guys, but who cares. Why is this an NJ thing? Every single fanbase happily obliges when they benefit from the rule, and complain when they get screwed like Philly did this year.

The Devils have lost some all-stars through the years and benefit this season. Same with Ottawa. Keep in mind a lot of guys around the league asked not to be selected for personal reasons. In the end...it really does not matter.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 05:57 PM

Seriously, thats your argument? Did the tide lower production throughout the whole league?
What about Arnott and Tedenby?


and those guys have been bossy and trottier this year? here's a hint: NO ONE on the devils is scoring. barely anyone has gone through what could be classified as a hot streak.

Feel this one my sabermetrics friend, Daniel Briere (39GP 22G 15A +19) was NOT selected, Elias was!
If those two players stats were reversed this board would be donning their tinfoil hats.


great! briere's had a way better season than elias and deserves to go. those aren't the rules. do i get to trade the devils's season for philadephia's too? i don't like philadelphia so i am glad that daniel briere isn't going. i'm actually a fan of a hockey team and that means i don't like other teams.

Patty's a great player but this purely stupid - the BEST players having the BEST seasons should play. Period.


it's the all-star game. people get all bent out of shape about all-star games in every league and what they fail to realize is that the all-star game is a totally forgettable event that half the players don't even want to go to.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:07 PM

The all-star game is just a popularity contest so who really cares? Sidney Crosby could have a season ending injury during opening night and he would still lead the all-star balloting by the time the game rolls around. That's why the Hawks players got votes. They, along with the Penguins are the most exposed to the casual fan. It's not like the Hawks' players are blowin sh%t up this season.
My feeling about any All-Star game is the same feeling I had when I collected baseball cards and I'd get one of those All-Cards in my pack. meh. It's okay but it's pretty much not worth anything.
And DevilinLA, it's all well and good that Briere has really good stats but look at the guys he's playing with. Switch Briere and Elias on the teams and I'm sure Patty's stats climb up.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:27 PM

and those guys have been bossy and trottier this year? here's a hint: NO ONE on the devils is scoring. barely anyone has gone through what could be classified as a hot streak.



great! briere's had a way better season than elias and deserves to go. those aren't the rules. do i get to trade the devils's season for philadephia's too? i don't like philadelphia so i am glad that daniel briere isn't going. i'm actually a fan of a hockey team and that means i don't like other teams.



it's the all-star game. people get all bent out of shape about all-star games in every league and what they fail to realize is that the all-star game is a totally forgettable event that half the players don't even want to go to.

Well, I'm electing to argue the PRINCIPLE of the idea (like you do often).
IT should be about PLAYER PERFORMANCE instead of team representation. Yes, I get the revenue arguments.
The whole thing is kind of stupid to begin, but if its suppose to be a group of ALL-STARS it should be guys who are playing the best - not merely the best of a terrible group of players having a terrible season.

My beef is that you think a $6M player with Elias's point tally is having a GOOD season - and then turn to blame on Rolston and Langenbrunner - without even acknowledging that he's played quite a share with Arnott and Teddy as well. We're not talking linemates of Adam Mair and PL3 caliber here. I get that Elias's value is intangible to the team, and that he tries really, really hard, and he's some kind of voice of leadership, and he should get his graham crackers and juice for playing with heart.

My point is that a $6M player with Elias's icetime and linemates, just like the rest of this abomination of a team, is not having A GOOD SEASON. ...and yes you bring in the Kovalchuk arguments too.....
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:43 PM

Well, I'm electing to argue the PRINCIPLE of the idea (like you do often).
IT should be about PLAYER PERFORMANCE instead of team representation. Yes, I get the revenue arguments.
The whole thing is kind of stupid to begin, but if its suppose to be a group of ALL-STARS it should be guys who are playing the best - not merely the best of a terrible group of players having a terrible season.

My beef is that you think a $6M player with Elias's point tally is having a GOOD season - and then turn to blame on Rolston and Langenbrunner - without even acknowledging that he's played quite a share with Arnott and Teddy as well. We're not talking linemates of Adam Mair and PL3 caliber here. I get that Elias's value is intangible to the team, and that he tries really, really hard, and he's some kind of voice of leadership, and he should get his graham crackers and juice for playing with heart.

My point is that a $6M player with Elias's icetime and linemates, just like the rest of this abomination of a team, is not having A GOOD SEASON. ...and yes you bring in the Kovalchuk arguments too.....


Let's get this straight: NO ONE on the Devils is having what most of us would classify as a good season. Elias is just the least-smelly turd in the bowl.

That said, someone from every team goes. That's just how it is. You can argue the principle of it all you want, but that won't change it.

The least-smelly turd goes. And Patty is, BY FAR, the rosiest-smelling log on our steaming pile. It is what it is. I can understand Philly fans being upset, but I couldn't care less. In fact, anything that upsets Philly fans is A-OK in my book. They'll be in the playoffs this year while we sit around and pray Parise signs long-term. I'm sure they won't be shedding any tears for us then.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:46 PM

people actually care about this way one or another? this format is the most farcical of many farcical NHL all-star games.

so he got picked and Danny Briere didn't. oh well.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:48 PM

Let's get this straight: NO ONE on the Devils is having what most of us would classify as a good season. Elias is just the least-smelly turd in the bowl.

That said, someone from every team goes. That's just how it is. You can argue the principle of it all you want, but that won't change it.

The least-smelly turd goes. And Patty is, BY FAR, the rosiest-smelling log on our steaming pile. It is what it is. I can understand Philly fans being upset, but I couldn't care less. In fact, anything that upsets Philly fans is A-OK in my book. They'll be in the playoffs this year while we sit around and pray Parise signs long-term. I'm sure they won't be shedding any tears for us then.

I agree with this entirely. The principle sucks but thats the way it is.
Tri's argument was that Elias was having a GOOD SEASON. My point is that he's having the "least embarrassing" season of the bunch.
Briere is merely an example - I too could care less if Philly and their fanbase rots in hell.
The real question is if this is any mark of things to come for Elias - remember this season started as "reuniting the magic of Arnott and Elias". We've been trying to a center for this guy for 3 seasons now since Gomer left (Zubrus, Rolston, Arnott). How much time is left on this $6M clock?
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 06:56 PM

god forbid he's been a slightly less than PPG player. if he gets to 70 this year, they should build a statue of him outside the rink. don't think he will, but it seems like he's in on half the team's offense, so if they do start scoring more eventually.

what's with the grudge, is it like a contrarian thing against people that don't like Langs or Rolston or even Kovy? because compared to at least 2 of those 3 guys, you're barking up the wrong tree.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:00 PM

I agree with this entirely. The principle sucks but thats the way it is.
Tri's argument was that Elias was having a GOOD SEASON. My point is that he's having the "least embarrassing" season of the bunch.
Briere is merely an example - I too could care less if Philly and their fanbase rots in hell.
The real question is if this is any mark of things to come for Elias - remember this season started as "reuniting the magic of Arnott and Elias". We've been trying to a center for this guy for 3 seasons now since Gomer left (Zubrus, Rolston, Arnott). How much time is left on this $6M clock?


Can you stop the Elias hate? Everyone knows Zubrus and Rolston weren't brought in for Elias. Zubrus was brought in to be a big body because the forwards up front were midgets. Rolston was brought in for his PP slap shot and his winking ability. Arnott was brought in to play with Elias, but what we've seen is Arnott is a lot more washed up than Elias.

Again..we've been over this before..and I wrote this earlier to you...he signed the original long-term big cap hit contract after the lockout. There are going to be a ton of these over the next decade and beyond, where a player is making way more than their production late in their career. I think a lot of us here knew his decline wasn't going to be pretty. Elias is just the first of many many many big cap hits for declining players around the league.

One can argue that Elias hasn't been used right either. He wanted to play center and I bet if he centered Kovalchuk all year, we'd be seeing a lot better numbers from each of them.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:07 PM

So it seems it is against "the will of the board" to have a purely reasonable discussion about a guy putting up the points that Elias is making $6M for the next two years?

I'm simply trying to open up some debate here not throw around the blind hate or "Source of all evil" that some do for Kovy, Langs, Clarkson, etc.

Will he move to center? Will Yayo be his new catalyst? Is he tradable for younger assets? Does he want to go through a mini-rebuild?

Would you accept him on a 3rd line role at $6m? Do you want to see him win a cup elsewhere if its possible in his last years?

Is he so much of an iconic Devil that you hold on to him no matter what?

All of these are reasonable questions for debate with ANY player making THAT much of the cap, whether it be Kovy, Parise, Rolston, or any other Devil.

BTW, if you read this board 3 years ago the majority thought (or hoped) that Zubrus would center Elias and replace Gomer's points (based on previous performance) for a cheaper price

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:16 PM

DLA:

this is a discussion about the all-star game, not the salary cap. for christ's sake, elias got named to the all-star team and he has clearly been the team's best forward this year. if you wish to hate on him, which you've nicely given yourself away doing, why not start your own thread or bump one of the 50 others where you've hated on him?
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:19 PM

Man, I wish people could stop posting with agendas. Its really been stinking up the boards recently. How about people find other things to talk about besides "how elias is washed up" or "how kovy ruined this team". Some fresh perspective would be nice
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:48 PM

DLA:

this is a discussion about the all-star game, not the salary cap. for christ's sake, elias got named to the all-star team and he has clearly been the team's best forward this year. if you wish to hate on him, which you've nicely given yourself away doing, why not start your own thread or bump one of the 50 others where you've hated on him?

You are absolutely right about this being more relevant to a different htread.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 08:07 PM

Man, I wish people could stop posting with agendas. Its really been stinking up the boards recently. How about people find other things to talk about besides "how elias is washed up" or "how kovy ruined this team". Some fresh perspective would be nice


Kovy is washed up and Elias ruined the team.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 10:10 PM

Sure..but every team has to be represented at the all-star game in some way. Elias shouldn't be there over a lot of guys, but who cares. Why is this an NJ thing? Every single fanbase happily obliges when they benefit from the rule, and complain when they get screwed like Philly did this year.

The Devils have lost some all-stars through the years and benefit this season. Same with Ottawa. Keep in mind a lot of guys around the league asked not to be selected for personal reasons. In the end...it really does not matter.



The Islanders I believe are the only team that does not have a player going to the ASG. I maybe wrong but remember seeing that no one from the Islanders is going. :/
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:32 PM

The Islanders I believe are the only team that does not have a player going to the ASG. I maybe wrong but remember seeing that no one from the Islanders is going. :/


Phoenix, Florida and Buffalo also don't have players, but every team has at least someone going to either the Skills Comp or the ASG
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