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#141 MadDog2020

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:15 PM

If he fired MacLean that early, no guarantee Jacques come back. It would have been a really long season for a guy who was just starting to enjoy retirement with his family, and the Devils hole wasn't so big that a) Lou would feel that Jacques is the only guy that could help this team get out of this mess and b) Jacques would realize how much Lou and this team needs his help for him to get back into coaching.

This is a good point- never really thought of it that way. But as I said before- hindsight is always 20/20. As much as I'm enjoying this stretch of winning hockey, I can't help but think what would've happened if they fired MacLean in November. Its just my frustration as a fan coming out, ya know?
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:23 PM

I don't know what others opinions are but not naming a captain since Langers demise I think has helped, the team needs to concentrate on one game at a time and not who said what or why him and not me BS. I really like the new Lemaire sticking with his defensive approach but allowing D men to pinch has paid off. Actually there are so many good things JL has done since taking over but the most important is he gave them back there confidence something MacLean had no idea how to do.
Let's Go Devils!!!!!

Obviously, moving Elias back to center has worked out pretty well. Lemaire is getting them to play a puck posession game in the mold of the new NHL. But what I'm impressed most with is the fact that the d has done a much better job of getting the puck to the forwards. Our transition game has imrproved to at least a respectable level. Don't get me wrong- the defense is still the weak link here. But I'm impressed that Lemaire has been able to get that type of improvement out of this group of d-men in that regard. And I haven't even mentioned that the overall defensive zone coverage is night and day from when Mac was coaching the team.

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:36 PM

The D defintely looks better but still makes stupid mistakes. I don't know why Lemaire is insisting on leaving Kovy out for a double shift on the PP, he looks tired and it hasn't been effective. I honestly wish he would revert to the one thing that did work prior to his arrival. Kovy needs to spend his offseason working with Parise on his short game, he has way to many breakaways that he is unable to close on, makes me appreciate Patty and Parise so much more.
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:37 PM

Obviously, moving Elias back to center has worked out pretty well. Lemaire is getting them to play a puck posession game in the mold of the new NHL. But what I'm impressed most with is the fact that the d has done a much better job of getting the puck to the forwards. Our transition game has imrproved to at least a respectable level. Don't get me wrong- the defense is still the weak link here. But I'm impressed that Lemaire has been able to get that type of improvement out of this group of d-men in that regard. And I haven't even mentioned that the overall defensive zone coverage is night and day from when Mac was coaching the team.


It isn't pretty that's for sure. The Devils are basically winning playing 95-98 trap hockey. Taking advantage of 3 Rangers turnovers tonight and turning them into quick strike goals. It is the perfect system for this team with limited talent/speed. This is what Lemaire does best.

I really only think there is a handful of coaches who could turn this ship around like Lemaire has. I don't think this is so much about how bad Mac was, but rather how good of a coach Lemaire can be for certain teams.

This team hasn't gotten pretty lucky over the last few games though. Something that wasn't happening earlier in the year.
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:51 PM

Yeah, hindsight is always 20/20, that much is true. I'm not really blaming Lou for keeping Mac as long as he did, it just turns out that it was the wrong decision to do so looking back. Lou did the best he could do under the circumstances, and I'm sure it had to be hard to give up on Mac so early. So I correct myself- Lou's biggest mistake was hiring Mac in the first place.


Well you can never tell how good or bad someone as a coach is going to be until they actually do it, although you would have thought with all the attention Lou gave Mac over the last seven years that he more than anyone should have known enough to know it wasn't going to work out.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:03 AM

you guys are all ridiculously underrating the role of chance
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:23 AM

So it's just a coincidence that the Devils were one of the worst teams in history for half a season and now are looking far closer to the team we thought they were going into this season under a real NHL coach?

Replacing MacLean with Lemaire and subtracting Langenbrunner had nothing to do with chance, those were big moves that were needed to end a malaise that really had started the second half of last year.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 02:51 AM

I don't think it was that simple. everyone from top to bottom was responsible for what happened in December, which turned an early season swoon into a toxic waste dump. we could have gotten to where we were, say 12/31/05, and gotten back into this.

they couldn't score to save their lives, which I guess is where you could say chance came in, if you were so inclined. but what happened in December is a patented el foldo.

and they probably won't rampage for the rest of the season, just go back to what they should have been, a team that isn't incredible but wins more games than they lose.

Edited by maxpower, 04 February 2011 - 02:52 AM.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 03:47 AM

Glad we beat the Rags!! I agree that there was a malaise that did get tagged to Johnny Mac and Jamie. However if McLean couldn't motivate them then the players had to motivate themselves and they didnt and thats on them. Lemaire IS playing trap hockey and it worked years ago and it works now for this team.

This is the way the team should of been playing all year. If we had this turnaround at Thanksgiving I'd be more certain that wed make the 8 seed even the 7. This is going to be improable and the biggest comeback in a season if this team can pull it off. I believe that they can; they have horribly underachived all season.

Let's just keep the players motivated tonight at the Rock, show them we appreciate them taking down our bitter rival, that we appreciate them fighting to get back in the hunt, and that we are behind them no matter what; good, bad or indifferent!! This is our team; Jersey's Team and this is when they need us the most right now!! So let's go out there and show them that the players and the fans are part of this big great, crazy, proud family called the New Jersey Devils and that we stick together no matter what!!! Now let's continue to get back into this fight and take it to the Panther's tonight!!!!!!

LET'S GO DEVILS!!!!!!!!! :burn:

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 05:39 AM

Good win last night.

Elias-Rolston-Zubie looked fantastic again. Not too impressed by the third period, but otherwise the team played with the old Devils grit and Marty saved our bacon again.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 07:01 AM

Not that big of a game, and marty with a little moment that nearly got me a nightmare. But 2 points, a team that played as a team, and a win at the garden! We finally left last place :) I hope they are not too tired and get the streak going on tonight against florida...
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 08:42 AM

So it's just a coincidence that the Devils were one of the worst teams in history for half a season and now are looking far closer to the team we thought they were going into this season under a real NHL coach?


no, i didn't say that. what i said is that you guys are underrating the role of chance. max is correct that by december the team had folded up shop, but there were lots of games in october and november that could have been won or at least closer with decent shooting luck. i mean, how many scoring chances did NJ have last night? 6? all 3 goals that went in on lundqvist were stoppable shots.

hockey players aren't robots. teams are probably streakier than we'd expect by chance alone. i'm saying if the team had gotten the bounces early in the season, maclean might still be here.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 09:01 AM

no, i didn't say that. what i said is that you guys are underrating the role of chance. max is correct that by december the team had folded up shop, but there were lots of games in october and november that could have been won or at least closer with decent shooting luck.


This one and this one come immediately to mind.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 10:39 AM

We can all assume what we want, This turn around is a lot of changes little ones big ones, But what stands out the most is the way the coach and the players have overcome their weakness their style of play is so different under JL. The trap yes but I see a lot more then just the 95 trap all over again. The team (on most nights) are playing close to a 60 min game at 100% players are back checking instead of standing around waiting for something to happen, The D is pinching in and getting back staying acountable for their assigments, also as Mad dog said the transition part of the game is there ansd so much more.
It just seems like two totaly different teams. I really think this all started with Lemaire! and they can say what they want Jamie leaving was all JL.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 03:12 PM

But what stands out the most is the way the coach and the players have overcome their weakness their style of play is so different under JL. The trap yes but I see a lot more then just the 95 trap all over again. The team (on most nights) are playing close to a 60 min game at 100% players are back checking instead of standing around waiting for something to happen, The D is pinching in and getting back staying acountable for their assigments, also as Mad dog said the transition part of the game is there ansd so much more.


No doubt the back checking is key, and JL obviously stressed to Green and talinder to carry the puck out. those two seem to have done a 180 degree turn in their confidence around (and particularly) behind the goal.
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