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#61 ZeroGravityFat

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:25 AM

rolston is one of the bigger busts of the team but with one year left, and the team performing very well, i hope he can make an effort next year to get himself a new contract with some other team and benefit us deep into the playoffs.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:26 AM

I did? I think you should read the thread again, buddy. My first post was after you already started feeling sorry for yourself for posting a silly thread which countered the feelings of 95% of the other posters in this forum. I tried to explain to you why nobody agreed with you and you told me to fvck off, remember? Then you started claiming everyone was attacking you personally and that nobody was allowed to post in your thread if they didn't appreciate Rolston.


wrong. You were the only person I claimed to be attacking me, and at this point you kinda are. the fvck off was meant as a general one, but you wound up to be only person in this thread i really had a problem with so it fits. Silly thread? You're not just "discussing", you're belittling every single good thing anyone has said about Rolston, and now you just refuse to shut up. Are you the definitive chief of appreciation? You get to monitor and distribute the proper amounts of appreciation, and scold people who give him "more appreciation than he deserves"? You could've just looked at the thread and scoffed, but you actually took the effort to type post after post solely trying to make the point that "no one likes him why would you even make a thread he doesnt deserve it blah blah blah" Who knows what was going on in his head that first year? Yes, i defended his God-awful stats. i'm allowed to defend Rolston if I want, who the hell are you to say I can't?

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 11:27 AM

I think to post negatively in an appreciation thread makes it look like you don't want the player to succeed.
and to not want a Devils player to succeed is to not want the team to succeed.
and that's not cool.

Ask Manta how much love he's gotten for seeming like he wanted Kovaluchuk to fail.


C'mon, that's a flat-out ridiculous conclusion to draw, even for you.

No one said they didn't want Rolston to succeed, and I don't think anyone here came across that way. Of course we all want Rolston and the Devils to succeed...duh! It's win-win...he contributes and helps the Devils win games, and may even make himself attractive to other teams, though at his money and with his pre-surge track record I still think teams are going to be very hesitant about dealing for him. But who knows...maybe some GM is fooled by this.

Not sure how debating appreciating or criticizing Rolston = don't want him to succeed = don't want Devils to succeed.

Manta didn't want Kovalchuk to fail. He went a bit over the top with his criticisms at times, but most Devil fans want every last player wearing the red and black to succeed. I never took Manta's criticizing Kovy as wanting him to fail. I'm sure Manta would happily eat crow (as would I, as I didn't want Kovy back) if Kovy put up great season after great season, and the Devils were succeeding as a result of his contributions.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:43 PM

:noclue: ok
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 03:11 PM

In prodigy's defense, I don't think he came off looking like an ass at all. Sure, it's an "appreciation" thread, which I guess means it has to be full of sunshine and love, but let's face it, a lot of people aren't fond of Rolston, and with good reason.

And what's wrong with simply not saying anything at all? I don't expect anyone to come in with "sunshine and love" that they don't mean simply to fit in, and there's no rule saying you have to respond to every single topic. If the community at large feels Rolston isn't worthy of our praise, their silence will speak much louder than someone dumping a load full of pettiness on the thread.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 03:35 PM

Go back and read your original post:


You said that the term 'lately' is relative and subjective; you didn't say anything about off-stretches.

In fact, I don't think the term off stretch is relative and subjective at all. It is the period of time between when a player stops playing well and then later starts playing well again. Of course the term 'playing well' is objective, but I think even you would agree that Rolston really hasn't played well for the Devils until the last 10-15 games. For that reason, Brian Rolston's off stretch is clearly defined; it started pretty much when he got here and has lasted until 10-15 games ago. Furthermore, it doesn't matter if you specifically defined the length of an off stretch because an off stretch is anything but relative and subjective. The only subjective aspect of an off-stretch is deciding whether or not the player has played well, and I can't imagine you think Rolston has played well until the last bunch of games. Or do you just think that Rolston has had 30 consecutive, month long off-stretches? That means it has just been one big, long off stretch.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 03:54 PM

And what's wrong with simply not saying anything at all? I don't expect anyone to come in with "sunshine and love" that they don't mean simply to fit in, and there's no rule saying you have to respond to every single topic. If the community at large feels Rolston isn't worthy of our praise, their silence will speak much louder than someone dumping a load full of pettiness on the thread.


I get what you're saying...by the letter of the law, it's an appreciation thread, just appreciate, if you can't, steer clear.

I did think it was a sentiment worth debating, just to see where Runnin and like thinkers were coming from. The player involved pretty much ensured there was going to be some kind of debate about this.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 06:15 PM

Forgive me for the long post, folks.



You clearly don't understand the point of an appreciation thread, and I'm thinking you didn't even read what I wrote. It's not that you're not allowed, you just come off looking like an ass... which you did.


Well I guess we are in disagreement then. I personally find people who call other people names or say rude things to them like "fvck off" are the bad ones. You'll notice that I've not called anyone a single name nor said anything remotely caustic to any other posters. Perhaps the worst thing I've said is that the thread is a bit "silly". If that makes me an "ass" in your eyes, so be it.

Not everyone, just you. Thank you for proving me correct.


Please, show me the quote you are referring to. I'd like to know when I said anything remotely close to "rolston is the worst player ever, TC ur such a moron lolzzzz". I'd also like to know how anything that I said about Rolston is at all worse than anything said in the page and half of posts that came before mine. You're singling me out to a ridiculous degree. Perhaps you need to read some of the other posts in the thread too?




wrong. You were the only person I claimed to be attacking me,


Yeah, let me stop you there. This is lie number one. Let me remind you what you said:

Then the thread just degenerated into stupid one-liners, people saying he "doesn't deserve any appreciation", and people putting words in my mouth, and now the final level of thread-death: personal attacks.


This was part of a longer post which was in reply to CR76, not me. I was not even mentioned in that post.

You're not just "discussing", you're belittling every single good thing anyone has said about Rolston


Wow, I belittled every single good thing ever said about Rolston? Yeah, that's not blowing things way out of proportion at all.

Are you the definitive chief of appreciation? You get to monitor and distribute the proper amounts of appreciation, and scold people who give him "more appreciation than he deserves"?



Uh, pardon? You and Rowdy are the ones telling people what they can and can't say in an appreciation thread, not me. I'm saying the thread should be open to discussion about the player. I have not once claimed that nobody was allowed to appreciate Rolston. I explained reasons why a lot of people are not ready to "appreciate" him yet. That was an explanation. I explained why, statisically, I personally am not ready to start appreciating him. I never said how much other people should appreciate him, you made that part up. Read my posts again if you need to. Also, please show me where I "scolded" you. I don't remember that part either.

You could've just looked at the thread and scoffed, but you actually took the effort to type post after post solely trying to make the point that "no one likes him why would you even make a thread he doesnt deserve it blah blah blah"



I don't mean to sound like a broken record here but again - I never said nobody likes him, and I never said "why would you even make a thread" or question your right to make a thread about him. I said the majority of the people here are disappointed in him. That is just common sense.

For a person who complained in this very thread that people were putting words in his mouth, this entire post is putting words in my mouth. Please, use quotes if you want to debate this with me further. This "he said she said" stuff is a bit too sophomoric.

Who knows what was going on in his head that first year? Yes, i defended his God-awful stats. i'm allowed to defend Rolston if I want, who the hell are you to say I can't?


Why would you defend stats that you admit are "God-awful"? That seems dishonest to me.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 06:22 PM

And what's wrong with simply not saying anything at all? I don't expect anyone to come in with "sunshine and love" that they don't mean simply to fit in, and there's no rule saying you have to respond to every single topic. If the community at large feels Rolston isn't worthy of our praise, their silence will speak much louder than someone dumping a load full of pettiness on the thread.


Because this is a board where people come to talk and share their opinions about Devils-related topics. I don't come here to read threads and then keep my opinion to myself. Just as there's no rule saying you have to respond to every thread, there's no rule that says you can't respond to certain threads with certain opinions.

As for the last sentence, I disagree. Silence can mean a lot of things. More often than not, it means nobody saw the thread. And if nobody posted then the thread would never get bumped, and probably nobody WOULD see the thread. By expressing their displeasure through posts, the board has shared their opinion on the player the way they know how.

It's time to get off the high horse and stop condescending to people for posting their opinion. You yourself have admitted that there are no rules about posting negatively in an appreciation thread, so why do you continue to shake your head at the people who have done it or call them "asses" for it? However you want to spin it, you're the one at fault here.

If you don't like the the way the thread is going then why don't you take your own advice and keep your opinion to yourself about it. After all, there's no rule that says you have to reply to every post, right?
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 06:29 PM

This was part of a longer post which was in reply to CR76, not me. I was not even mentioned in that post.

forgive me, birds of a feather

Wow, I belittled every single good thing ever said about Rolston? Yeah, that's not blowing things way out of proportion at all.


taken out of context. what i said was:
"Silly thread? You're not just "discussing", you're belittling every single good thing anyone has said about Rolston, and now you just refuse to shut up".
"anyone" meaning "the people in this thread".

simply put, you came into an appreciation thread and pissed all over it, behind a guise of civil discussion.

You yourself have admitted that there are no rules about posting negatively in an appreciation thread, so why do you continue to shake your head at the people who have done it or call them "asses" for it?


just because you can doesnt mean you should.

goddamn this is stupid please delete this thread

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 06:51 PM

goddamn this is stupid please delete this thread


Nah, it isn't stupid. You're a fan trying to shine a light on a positive aspect of something that's been largely negative for a long time. That's a good thing and I tip my cap to you for it.

People need to learn how to share opinions without getting so defensive that we have to justify whether or not we have the right to share opinions. You're allowed to appreciate Rolston. Prodigy is allowed to disagree. An "appreciation" thread might not be the best place for it, but so long as the discussion can stay civil there's no problem with it.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 06:57 PM

and why does D.I.G. always get to be the damn voice of reason?
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 07:00 PM

Cuz I called dibs.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 07:31 PM

forgive me, birds of a feather


People with reason?

taken out of context. what i said was:
"Silly thread? You're not just "discussing", you're belittling every single good thing anyone has said about Rolston, and now you just refuse to shut up".
"anyone" meaning "the people in this thread".


Fair enough.

simply put, you came into an appreciation thread and pissed all over it, behind a guise of civil discussion.


More unsubstantiated claims with no quotes attached to let me know what you're referring to. Still waiting on some quotes.

goddamn this is stupid please delete this thread


Ah I see, you realized that there are no quotes whatsoever to back up any of your claims, so now you're backing out. Cool.


As far as the whole "we're all friends here" vibe, I am not angry whatsoever and have had a completely calm tone throughout the conversation. And I'll reiterate that I have not made any personal attacks or called anyone any names. So I think I'm fine in that regard.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 07:43 PM

Ah I see, you realized that there are no quotes whatsoever to back up any of your claims, so now you're backing out. Cool.


actually because its pointless now
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 08:38 PM

actually because its pointless now


But before it was so meaningful?
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:26 PM

But before it was so meaningful?

Duh? -- of course it has no meaning! Talking to a big negative brick wall is meaningless. He didn't recognize you for what you are until now.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:46 PM

Duh? -- of course it has no meaning! Talking to a big negative brick wall is meaningless. He didn't recognize you for what you are until now.


Way to jump on the bandwagon. Would anyone else like to insult me/makes claims against my personality based on nothing at all while we're at it?

I'll say the same thing to you that I've said to these guys - show me some quotes from this thread to back up this claim that I'm "a big negative brick wall." Where are you getting that from?

I am nothing but optimistic about this team. I'm also realistic. Rolston was not good for a long time here. Am I not allowed to say that? Does saying that make me a "negative brick wall"? Because then apparently the majority of this board are a bunch of brick walls too.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 09:13 AM

:evil: Sorry for jumping in. I didn't think you were down, so no harm kicking right?

Seriously I am sorry - I've been in both shoes. I'm with DiG:

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 10:52 AM

I get what you're saying...by the letter of the law, it's an appreciation thread, just appreciate, if you can't, steer clear.

Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from.


Because this is a board where people come to talk and share their opinions about Devils-related topics. I don't come here to read threads and then keep my opinion to myself. Just as there's no rule saying you have to respond to every thread, there's no rule that says you can't respond to certain threads with certain opinions.

In my first post on this thread, I believe I said something to the effect that most of the time, I agree with this. Discussion, debate, they are the lifeblood of any message board. The point that you're either still not understanding or choosing to ignore is that coming into a thread meant to prop up a player and spouting "no way bro, he sucks" is like farting in church or dropping a deuce in the pool. It's just bad etiquette, and you're going to get some dirty looks. And no, you didn't start it, but you defended the naysayers vehemently enough that you became the target.


People need to learn how to share opinions without getting so defensive that we have to justify whether or not we have the right to share opinions. You're allowed to appreciate Rolston. Prodigy is allowed to disagree. An "appreciation" thread might not be the best place for it, but so long as the discussion can stay civil there's no problem with it.

And that's my big thing. There's a time and a place for everything, and a player appreciation thread is not the place to dump on said player.
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