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#41 Pepperkorn

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:34 PM

Go away.

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#42 iamtheprodigy

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 11:36 PM

Ha ha - thanks for the great responses: go away, etc. I appreciate the willingness to engage in meaningful discourse.


You did not present your stance in a meaningful way, so it was dismissed. The Devils have lost in regulation once over the last dozen games, gained a bunch of ground in the East, and your response is "Time to start tanking!" You had to expect a negative reaction.

It also doesn't really make sense that you brought it up in this thread if the Brodeur injury has nothing to do with it, as you claim.

Take a step back from your anger or whatever emotion you have that dismisses the concept altogether and consider the following: As a result of the 3 maybe 4 points I made above regarding the Devil's current problems, the team is very close to the bottom of the league. Whether or not the draft contains a Crosby like talent, better picks increases your chance at better talent not only at the top end of the draft but throughout the remainder of the rounds. This team is not a contender for the cup. There, I said it. Sure the team can fight and scratch to make the 8 seed and bow out quickly or it can go the other way. The other way hopefully gets what young talent they do have a taste of the action at this level with meaningful ice time and improves their draft position dramatically. I personally would rather the team took a longer term approach instead of another first round exit.


And what, winning in the playoffs isn't even an option? It's lose in the first round or tank the season? As Tri said earlier, you can't know what's going to happen in the first round. At the start of the regular season the goal is to make the playoffs - not get a high draft pick. If you have a chance to make it in, you go for it.

You can make a case that it might be better in the long term, sure. Maybe it would, who knows. But you can't dismiss a playoff run as an option. It would take a miracle to get there but if we did, anything could happen.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 11:41 PM

Even if the option was get a high pick or play vs. Team Canada in the playoffs, you should still always choose the playoffs, without a doubt.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:07 AM

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:00 AM

You did not present your stance in a meaningful way, so it was dismissed. The Devils have lost in regulation once over the last dozen games, gained a bunch of ground in the East, and your response is "Time to start tanking!" You had to expect a negative reaction.

It also doesn't really make sense that you brought it up in this thread if the Brodeur injury has nothing to do with it, as you claim.



And what, winning in the playoffs isn't even an option? It's lose in the first round or tank the season? As Tri said earlier, you can't know what's going to happen in the first round. At the start of the regular season the goal is to make the playoffs - not get a high draft pick. If you have a chance to make it in, you go for it.

You can make a case that it might be better in the long term, sure. Maybe it would, who knows. But you can't dismiss a playoff run as an option. It would take a miracle to get there but if we did, anything could happen.


And you presented your opinion in a meaningful way? Hardly. Brodeur's injury is just one more reason which bolsters my case.

In your own words, "It would take a miracle to get [in the playoffs]. I'd rather not bet on "miracles", people who do usually wait quite a long time. I'll take 1 or 2 quality drafts to build this franchise up. Longterm thinking needs to come into play. Lou has made too many short term decisions which haven't panned out.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:28 AM

And you presented your opinion in a meaningful way? Hardly. Brodeur's injury is just one more reason which bolsters my case.

In your own words, "It would take a miracle to get [in the playoffs]. I'd rather not bet on "miracles", people who do usually wait quite a long time. I'll take 1 or 2 quality drafts to build this franchise up. Longterm thinking needs to come into play. Lou has made too many short term decisions which haven't panned out.


And I'd rather 'build the franchise up' by having the kids WE ALREADY HAVE do well :P A good finish will mean the kids are doing well, just look at last night. Between the two forwards, Fayne, Taormina (if he gets bionic parts in the offseason) and the other prospects already in our organization I think we'll be all right whatever draft pick we get this year - a weak draft year by the way. And if we can't develop the kids then what good is bringing in another one going to do?
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 09:05 AM

And I'd rather 'build the franchise up' by having the kids WE ALREADY HAVE do well :P A good finish will mean the kids are doing well, just look at last night. Between the two forwards, Fayne, Taormina (if he gets bionic parts in the offseason) and the other prospects already in our organization I think we'll be all right whatever draft pick we get this year - a weak draft year by the way. And if we can't develop the kids then what good is bringing in another one going to do?


And this is way more important. If all the rookies on the roster now became average NHL players, that 1st round pick could totally bust and the Devils would still be in great shape going forward.

NJ will still be in line to draft a nice player. They would've had to try to be as bad as the Islanders or Oilers. I think they'll finish 10 points ahead of both teams.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 09:14 AM

So how is Marty's knee today? Any reports? or is already draft day and I missed it all?
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 09:17 AM

So how is Marty's knee today? Any reports? or is already draft day and I missed it all?


should be 100% for the playoffs.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 10:26 AM

And I'd rather 'build the franchise up' by having the kids WE ALREADY HAVE do well :P A good finish will mean the kids are doing well, just look at last night. Between the two forwards, Fayne, Taormina (if he gets bionic parts in the offseason) and the other prospects already in our organization I think we'll be all right whatever draft pick we get this year - a weak draft year by the way. And if we can't develop the kids then what good is bringing in another one going to do?


Exactly. Winning now, whether we make the playoffs or not, is not meaningless. And this seems to be the big misconception among tankers. The kids we have now are getting valuable experience and are learning how to perform in big situations, since every game is approached with essentially a do or die attitude. While no prospect is a "sure thing", these are guys we've had in the organization for a few years now and if the team wants to have success going forward, these need to turn out to be good players. A draft pick, even a high one in a draft like this, is a crap shoot. We could get a star player, or we could get a bust. We could pick a little bit later and get a bust, or we could get the next Jeff Skinner. Who knows? It's too hard to predict what effects picking slightly higher in the draft would have on us. It's easier to predict that winning now and getting big performances from the kids that are playing has a clearly positive impact on our future.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 10:49 AM

So why did we pin one of many draft debate threads?

Oh it's NOT -- this is supposed to be for updates about Marty's KNEE!!! I hadn't realized...

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Edited by Pepperkorn, 09 February 2011 - 10:49 AM.

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