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[NewarkDevil5]

dj.......i hate picking on you but i have to here.  the 5 mile difference to newark makes a huge difference.  why?  because you can get there by public transportation from everywhere in the state and from nyc.  how can you get to the meadowlands without a car?  you can take a bus from manhattan but once you're there it is impossible to get anywhere else by public transportation unless you are planning on going back to manhattan.  you can say "well everyone drives in nj" which is by and large true, BUT people who take the trains and buses to work in newark, jersey city, new york, etc cannot go to the games during the week because there is no way to get there or back home.  if your suggestion is a renovated CAA with a rail link to the secaucus junction and all the entertainment ammenities that would accompany xanadu, i'd be interested in that.  however, IMO newark is the way to go.  unfortunately you think that since CAA is convenient for you that it is therefore that convenient for everyone else.  that is just not true.

I understand your point, and it was well said, but what I was suggesting is correct...

I think that establishing public transportation to the CAA is less costly than building a new arena, and considering Sharpe James gained $200 million from the Port Authority from 9/11, it would be in his best interest to re-invest that in public transportation to the CAA...

OK, my brain just exploded. I hope you're happy.

First of all, the $200 million was NOT from 9-11. It was from the renegotiation of the Port Authority lease on Newark Airport. Second of all, if the city of Newark were to invest in public transportation of any kind, why would it be outside the borders of the city? Wouldn't an extension of the subway make a tad bit more sense?

[NewarkDevil5]

There is no arena solution that is going to appeal to everyone (except Secaucus and that ship has sailed). I do not have season tickets now as to go home from work and then drive the Meadowlands would mean that I would always miss the first period. I am married and do not have kids but assuming there is an arena in Newark and I did have kids I would have my wife and kid get on a train, meet me in Newark for a nice dinner, go to the game and then the three of us take the train home together afterwards. For a lot of people it is one train. Looking at a map it looks like it would be an inexpensive taxi between Broad St Station and where they propose the arena to be. I do not know what your big aversion to taking the Newark Subway thing is. It is not like NJ Transit trains that only run a few times an hour they are like NYC Subway trains that run every few minutes and I am sure they would be scheduled to connect for when your train arrives at Newark Broad St and when the game ends.

Nice dinner in Newark, give me a break....

I'll give ya a list of restaurants in Newark that you might like to try before saying that:

Downtown:
Maize (in the Robert Treat Hotel across the street from NJPAC)
Theater Square Grill (in the NJPAC itself)
Arthur's Downtown (in the Norcrown Bank Building across the street from the PSE&G building)

Ironbound:
Spanish Tavern (103 McWhorter St)
Tony DaCaneca's (72 Elm St)
Brasilia (132 Ferry St)
Fornos of Spain (47 Ferry St)
Krug's Tavern (118 Wilson Avenue)

Thats a few off the top of my head. Try one of those and get back to me. I especially recommend Maize, Arthur's and Spanish Tavern.

Edited by NewarkDevil5, 02 February 2004 - 08:06 PM.

[PeteyNice]

The Newark arena has better access FROM NYC than CAA (NJ Transit buses/trains and the PATH) so the new arena would be a FAR superior location for Devil fans who work in NYC.  Greater Access means greater attendance.

Thats just not true, from the port authority its a 20 minute bus ride to CAA.

So, the Meadowlands has:
1 bus from Port Authority

The Newark arena would have:
2 train lines from Penn Station
PATH Trains from mid/lower Manhattan
3 buses from Port Authority


hmmmmmm which is better?

[NewarkDevil5]

The Newark arena has better access FROM NYC than CAA (NJ Transit buses/trains and the PATH) so the new arena would be a FAR superior location for Devil fans who work in NYC.  Greater Access means greater attendance.

Thats just not true, from the port authority its a 20 minute bus ride to CAA.

It takes 20 minutes by PATH train from the World Trade Center Station in Downtown Manhattan (where there are no buses to the Meadowlands from) to Penn Station Newark. It takes 11 minutes by train from Penn Station New York in midtown Manhattan to Newark. I believe that qualifies as being better access than your 20 minute busride from the Port Authority to the Meadowlands. Oh yeah, there are buses from Port Authority to Penn Station Newark every 10-15 minutes. In case you didn't realize, Penn Station Newark is also the busiest bus terminal in the state.

[David Puddy]

Thats just not true, from the port authority its a 20 minute bus ride to CAA.

No self-respecting middle class American would ever ride a public bus. You ever see the types of people who ride buses? They're cretin. Trains are much classier, and bigger so you can get away from the unsavory types.


(Yes, that was tongue-in-cheek.)

[pattyelias]

[QUOTE]No self-respecting middle class American would ever ride a public bus. You ever see the types of people who ride buses? They're cretin. Trains are much classier, and bigger so you can get away from the unsavory types.


SO TRUE! LOL! Anyways, I take the bus from Port Authority to every single game that I go to (about 15-20 games plus playoffs), and to call it convenient is absolutely ridiculous. They run one bus every 20 mins, so if there is a crowd you can expect NJ Transit to be unprepared, and a long long wait will ensue. I can't even count how many times I've missed the beginning of the game even though I got to the PA at 6:15. Ok.....so now I have a question for you Stubbs. If I take the bus to the game, and afterwards I want to go to my parents house (monmouth county) or any other place in Jersey besides the meadowlands, how exactly would I get there??? Now please elaborate how this system is convenient.

[PeteyNice]

I will tell you since I am doing it tomorrow!

You take the bus back to PA then you RUN LIKE HELL to catch the 10:40 train to Long Branch and will get to your parents house around midnight.


It is many things, convenient is not one of them.

[NewarkDevil5]

Run like hell? Port Authority's on 42nd St, Penn Station's on 33rd St. Thats nine blocks to run. No, you don't run that. You spend the $2 on the subway down and hope to god that you catch one at the right time.

[pattyelias]

Petey.....I live in Manhattan now so I don't have to worry about running down to Penn Station and catching a train to Jersey, but I know how absolutely annoying this system (if you can call it that) is. My only point is that Stubbs is just trying to make it out like the CAA is the be all and all. The fact is that the arena sucks, the transportation there sucks, and there is absolutely nothing to do there besides go to see the game. CAA is convenient for very few and a major pain the ass for the rest of us. People who are fanatic about the Devils, like myself, will grit their teeth and bear it. However, the casual fan will not and hence attendance sucks.

[PeteyNice]

The last time I went to a Devils game via the bus, I got back to PA around 10:30. You know if you go for the subway the train will never come in time. That is just the way it works.


PE, I know, I am just reenforcing the point with a real world example.

Edited by PeteyNice, 02 February 2004 - 08:15 PM.

[pattyelias]

nah........if you're lucky the a or c train will be waiting for you and you won't have to run. that is exception more than the rule though.

[djstubbs]

Thats just not true, from the port authority its a 20 minute bus ride to CAA.

No self-respecting middle class American would ever ride a public bus. You ever see the types of people who ride buses? They're cretin. Trains are much classier, and bigger so you can get away from the unsavory types.


(Yes, that was tongue-in-cheek.)

Are you joking?

Public transportation is public transportation...

[djstubbs]

[quote name='pattyelias' date='Feb 2 2004, 08:03 PM'] [QUOTE]No self-respecting middle class American would ever ride a public bus. You ever see the types of people who ride buses? They're cretin. Trains are much classier, and bigger so you can get away from the unsavory types.


SO TRUE! LOL! Anyways, I take the bus from Port Authority to every single game that I go to (about 15-20 games plus playoffs), and to call it convenient is absolutely ridiculous. They run one bus every 20 mins, so if there is a crowd you can expect NJ Transit to be unprepared, and a long long wait will ensue. I can't even count how many times I've missed the beginning of the game even though I got to the PA at 6:15. Ok.....so now I have a question for you Stubbs. If I take the bus to the game, and afterwards I want to go to my parents house (monmouth county) or any other place in Jersey besides the meadowlands, how exactly would I get there??? Now please elaborate how this system is convenient. [/quote]
Get a frickin car

[NewarkDevil5]

Yes, he was joking. That is what tongue in cheek means. Its a term for dry humor or sarcasm. You still never responded how a bus from one location is better access than buses from that same location and trains from two other locations.

[NewarkDevil5]

[quote name='djstubbs' date='Feb 2 2004, 08:45 PM'] [quote name='pattyelias' date='Feb 2 2004, 08:03 PM'] [QUOTE]No self-respecting middle class American would ever ride a public bus. You ever see the types of people who ride buses? They're cretin. Trains are much classier, and bigger so you can get away from the unsavory types.


SO TRUE! LOL! Anyways, I take the bus from Port Authority to every single game that I go to (about 15-20 games plus playoffs), and to call it convenient is absolutely ridiculous. They run one bus every 20 mins, so if there is a crowd you can expect NJ Transit to be unprepared, and a long long wait will ensue. I can't even count how many times I've missed the beginning of the game even though I got to the PA at 6:15. Ok.....so now I have a question for you Stubbs. If I take the bus to the game, and afterwards I want to go to my parents house (monmouth county) or any other place in Jersey besides the meadowlands, how exactly would I get there??? Now please elaborate how this system is convenient. [/QUOTE]
Get a frickin car [/quote]
Do you even have a license? Has it ever occurred to you that most people dealing with a car means lease payments, insurance (which is astronomical in NJ), parking, gas and tolls? Do you understand that owning a car in NJ can cost as much as renting an apartment? Have you any concept of what money is?

[djstubbs]

Yes, he was joking. That is what tongue in cheek means. Its a term for dry humor or sarcasm. You still never responded how a bus from one location is better access than buses from that same location and trains from two other locations.

Well its not, now that I think of it more... But there is still access from the city, and I always see atleast 2 transit buses at the arena arriving around 7ish, at GATE C, which is where my reserved lot is....

[pattyelias]

[QUOTE]Get a frickin car

ok.....you are really starting to tick me off. i live in manhattanand am going to school there. i am supposed to get a car for what???? to pay for parking and to drive 15 blocks to school??? you are 15 and mommy and daddy take care of everything for you, so don't lecture me on how i am supposed to spend my money.

[djstubbs]

[quote name='pattyelias' date='Feb 2 2004, 09:18 PM'] [QUOTE]Get a frickin car

ok.....you are really starting to tick me off. i live in manhattanand am going to school there. i am supposed to get a car for what???? to pay for parking and to drive 15 blocks to school??? you are 15 and mommy and daddy take care of everything for you, so don't lecture me on how i am supposed to spend my money. [/quote]
I was being sarcastic, but anyway, just get there early enough to take the bus...

[pattyelias]

i do get there early enough to take the bus. the fact of the matter is that you haven't taken the bus so you don't know how inconvenient it is. what exactly does public transportation is public transportation mean???? do you think that the majority of NJ commuters to NYC drive here???

[djstubbs]

i do get there early enough to take the bus. the fact of the matter is that you haven't taken the bus so you don't know how inconvenient it is. what exactly does public transportation is public transportation mean???? do you think that the majority of NJ commuters to NYC drive here???

I actually have taken the NJ Transit bus to the game, once during the playoffs last year, when I was in the city.

It wasn't bad at all, and I got to CAA with time to spare.