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#1335497 Quarter mark biggest disappointment/surprise?

Posted by Triumph on Yesterday, 12:04 AM

Palmieri would probably go for biggest surprise for me, but I'll say Adam Henrique - no one is complaining about him at center and his shot rate is way up so far this year.  He's on pace for 36 goals which won't happen but 25 is somewhat realistic with this kind of ice time.


Biggest disappointment is tougher - it's impossible to say Josefson because he's played very well, he just hasn't gotten that goal - I'll say Tlusty because I thought he would be a solid add and he really hasn't done much so far.

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#1327297 Salvador Retires - The Players's Tribune

Posted by Triumph on 02 September 2015 - 09:43 AM

The people who booed him were always dirtbags - I can't imagine what that felt like for him.  Maybe that's why Bryce wanted to write this article.  Thinking of Salvador in a Devils' uniform, we'll always have 2012 and that great pass to Zidlicky in the slot against the Flyers; the goal to win Game 5 of the Cup Finals shot into the net I was watching.

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#1326076 How many Devils fans that post here are following Lou in Toronto?

Posted by Triumph on 17 August 2015 - 11:17 AM

I'm not going to hurl 'abuse' at you, but I will say - when I think of posters here that complain about the "old guard" it's mostly you and Pepperkorn.. and it's not even close.  Everyone else seems to mostly enjoy their time here..


What is a recent example of this 'abuse' you speak of?  If you point to BB (WD'A) I'm going to chuckle - if case you haven't noticed, discussion here has been 1000x better since his troll account(s) was banned.  We're a passionate bunch here, and disagreements are going to happen.. it's an online forum.  This place is a whole lot better than other forums I frequent.. I don't know if your online experience is limited or something but it doesn't get much better than here for Devils discussion.  Wander over to hfboards or the Devils' facebook group and take a look around to see the other side of the spectrum.


And every time I've seen you post in any topic besides those on the OT board, it's pretty much to complain about other people here.  I mean, that's just my impression, I could be totally wrong.  But you, along with PK, do seem like the most likely to complain.  I've got nothing against you two but I mean.. maybe this place just isn't worth frequenting anymore for you guys/gals?


HFBoards's discussion is not good, but it seems like a much more civil place to me.  That's because it's heavily moderated.  


As someone who has been here since the beginning, this place was an oasis away from the basically unreadable message board over at nj.com/devils.  It was this weird thing that we were all doing, talking online about our favorite hockey team.  There were posters that were picked on, and posters who it was thought 'wow, this person's weird', but there wasn't quite the level of rancor that I see here now (but there was plenty of rancor elsewhere on the site - that old Politics forum, yeesh).  I think a bit of that is because the Devils were generally winning, but also because it was a novel thing to do, that you could open up your computer and see all of these different ideas coming at you.  Now talking online about anything is not a weird thing, and you can do it anywhere you like - attitudes towards online writing have changed because the environment has changed.  I feel like back then people were more interested in different perspectives since we were all these kinda strange people doing this kinda strange thing, and there wasn't an endless supply of material online.  Now in the days of Facebook and Twitter there is a never ending stream, and you can just delete someone you don't like, never having to interact with them again (and they you).  Or, if you don't do that, you have to scroll past your crazy uncle's rantings about Obama or Trump or whatever.  It's become banal, and so people's expectations for what they're going to see on a site like this have changed.  I'll admit I don't always read PK's posts but I usually enjoy them when I do, there's always something in there even if it's not necessarily about hockey.   Anyway, to me, that's what people are talking about when they're talking about what's missed about the old days.  There's some romanticism mixed in of course, but it felt more like a community - where weirdness would make you think 'Oh, that's just person X being person X', instead of 'I wish I never had to see any of Person X's posts ever again'.


We used to have more regular fans, people who were into the team but didn't know tons about hockey, they were just passionate about their favorite team.  There's still a few around - I wish there were more, but I wouldn't really interact with them much on the board, either, as my expectations for what a messasge board is have also changed.

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#1325102 Zubrus to be bought out.

Posted by Triumph on 03 August 2015 - 01:57 PM

I'm not sure what was said before but I thought I'd clarify since so many people tried making my point without actually having it, then we can get back on topic about Zubrus.  I feel like I am just waiting for this last trade that is my impatience short term.  Shero keeps hinting at it and I keep waiting for it but I don't see it.  I only value Palmieri for what he has actually done to improve the team (Moore was an unqualified RFA, hardly something to praise).  I feel like that is the point of a GM and I'm sort of surprised that this offseason is considered a success considering it was just Palmieri, plus letting players that contributed were allowed to walk (Bernier, Gomez) without replacing them.  They being replaced by players that couldn't replace them last year.  So the point of a GM is to make the team better and he has done nothing to do that.  If you say that wasn't the point for this year, I'd say you want the team to tank, not rebuild.  That's fine if you want them to tank, but I prefer not the euphemisms.


Offseason's not over.



If it's about the impatience long term, it's because I don't agree with tanking.  Getting marginally better each year and keeping a concept of winning is better than throwing out the concept of winning for a couple of years because it is hard to get back to a winning concept (especially with the same GM, coach, owner, etc) with any player that was in the culture of "losing is ok."  Lou may not have been the best with a lot of things, but culture there is bar none.  I really like the Palmieri trade, and I hoped for one other piece that would contribute to the top 9 for our team this year.  That's it.  Two top 9 forwards in an offseason isn't impatient.  It's just a step in the right direction and not towards tanking.


That 'culture' missed the playoffs the last 3 years.  What's so galling about these playoff misses is that some of them could've been averted with better lineup and personnel decisions.  Instead the 'culture' decided that players like Salvador and Zubrus were necessary and good.  Shero's just as vulnerable to this as Lou was, but at least he's not doing it in Year 1.  


Chipping away since '97?  This is just so short-sighted.  How small are the chips when they go to a Stanley Cup Final in '12 if they have been chipping away since '97?  If you only look at keeping "assets," look at the Kovy trade alone.  If you tell me we give away a 1st that didn't amount to anything, a prospect that didn't amount to anything, another prospect that amounted to maybe a 3rd liner and a solid Dman that wasn't going to be kept anyway, and then we get Kovy, that is a good trade.  Things didn't work out well after the fact, and sure chalk that up to whatever you'd like, but that is not chipping away at the future, that is using a team that is like us now in stealing the only good players they have because they were always looking to the future.


A first that didn't amount to anything?  The 1st that was used to select Kevin Hayes, a guy who showed up in the NHL last year as a 3rd line center with the possibility of being a 2nd line center.  I don't know if the Devils would've picked Hayes - I don't really care.  NJ was in the position to make that trade - they had a decent forward prospect pool at that time - and they did, but it's obviously since come out that the Thrashers had their pick of guys - they could've taken Nick Palmieri, Adam Henrique, or Patrice Cormier, and they picked Cormier.  What if they picked Henrique?  Now things look worse.  I'm totally fine with the Kovalchuk trade and I'm totally fine with just about every move that was made over that time.  They were moves that made sense.  You're not in this thing to stockpile assets, you're trying to win Stanley Cups, and that was the intent of the Kovalchuk trade - it was unclear how long players like Elias and Brodeur could maintain their ability as world-class players.  I do think there were enormous unpatched holes on that 09-10 team, though.


But the time comes when your best players are going to get old and you're going to be unable to replace them.  in 2012, the Devils did go to the Stanley Cup - let's look at what happened to that team afterwards:


The 2nd line for most of that run was Sykora-Elias-Zubrus.  Sykora never played in the NHL again.  Zubrus scored 16 more goals over 2 and a quarter seasons.  Elias has finally stopped being a Hall of Fame level player.


3rd line was Ponikarovsky-Henrique-Clarkson.  Ponikarovsky played 1 more season in the NHL; he was a 4th liner in the KHL last year.  Clarkson has become a 4th liner in the NHL.  Henrique's a 2nd/3rd line player.


Even if you managed to keep Parise and Kovalchuk, you had to find options to replace the 4 players I mentioned who have become terrible, plus replace Elias's ability, and the Devils have done almost nothing of the sort, because they had no young players who could fill those spots.  They filled Kovalchuk or Parise's spot with Jagr and that went great but everything else around that did not.


If anyone wants to talk more about Tank vs Rebuild, I welcome you to make a thread about it and I'll post if I find something interesting.  I know if I make a thread to that affect, I'd probably be deemed a troll, which is the only reason I have not done so yet.


The fact that you can't distinguish between yourself and William D'Aquila in terms of message and ability to communicate is very weird.  'Well, I think I'm okay at public speaking, but there's this bum I saw once who also believed in emancipation, and who shouted at the top of his lungs all the time; I was tempted to let him make the Gettysburg Address", said a humbled Abraham Lincoln.


As for Zubrus, he was definitely a player that should have been bought out had it been any benefit to the team.  If he were demoted to Albany, it actually would have been better for everyone except the "deep pocketed" owners because there would have been at least a little cap relief this year to make the team better.  But Zubrus's buyout was either monetary for a team that is already at the bottom of the cap floor, or for "roster flexibility" that I would wonder how it could have possibly when there aren't 23 players on the Devils that could warrant an NHL start, Zubrus included and him easily able to play in the AHL if Shero so desired.


Dainius Zubrus has played in the NHL since 1996.  He's never played a game in the AHL.  Do you think he wants to play in the AHL?  He has a family and AFAIK lives in South Jersey - do you think he wants to go live in Albany for most of the year?  How do you think the Devils' veteran players would react to this guy being sent down?   Sending him to the AHL is much more of a 'monetary' move since odds are he would just up and retire rather than do that, and that saves the Devils his entire salary.  That would be a real cost-conscious move for the bean counters.


Not to mention that your premise is wrong - I can easily find 14 forwards in the Devils' system better than Zubrus, because he was awful last year.  Awful beyond measure.  O'Brien, Kalinin, Sislo, Thompson, Matteau, Boucher, probably Zacha - it's hard to imagine any of these people being worse.  Even someone like Blandisi would probably be better.  It's hard to put into words just how bad Zubrus was last year.

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#1323103 Devils resign eric gelinas to 2 year deal

Posted by Triumph on 14 July 2015 - 07:37 PM

if you're going to put in the effort to be a smart ass..wouldn't it have just been easier to quickly say who he was instead of coming off like an ass? Thought it would have been posted on the main board didn't see anything about it..didn't realize it would be am issue to ask since ya know that's kind of what people do on forum boards


I put in almost no effort into that post.  And no, forums aren't your personal Ask Jeeves, which is the point I was trying to get across.  If you have a question with that simple an answer, you can google and almost certainly TG's blog on him will be on the first page.  You can search this forum also.  Answering your question gives incentive to people like you to do the same thing.  I'll gladly answer more complicated questions or questions that it's harder to search about or questions posted in the right threads on subjects like that.   I didn't expect someone who posts a question in the wrong place to understand why doing that is wrong, but I gave it a shot.  Derail over. 


Anyway, as for Gelinas, glad about this now but I have a feeling once I get to see Gelinas again I won't be.  Although the coaching troika really did a number on his game, possibly more than anyone else - Oates's power play was just not suited for him at all.

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#1323023 David Conte Out

Posted by Triumph on 12 July 2015 - 11:35 PM

Planning for the next 10 to 15 years? Okay Lenin. 


Only one person is allowed hyperbole, it seems.

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#1322914 David Conte Out

Posted by Triumph on 10 July 2015 - 04:55 PM

I'm happy you appreciate it.


Serious question, would you have hired Shero, and do you think he was Lou's hand picked successor?

I never saw him as someone who respects the Penguin organization, and I find it surprising he didn't pluck someone from the Kings or Sharks organization, as  Wilson and Dean are two Lou acolytes.  


Would I have hired Shero?  No.  Do I think he was Lou's hand-picked successor?  Absolutely.  First off, the two men clearly have tons of respect for one another - there's that very weird story of Shero and Lombardi disagreeing on something and saying 'Let's call Lou, he'll decide' and they did and he did and they won't say what it was about (I suspect it's about Aladdin supposedly saying 'Good teenagers take off their clothes', but that's me).  Shero's a US guy and Lou's a US guy.  How many ex-GMs were there sitting around who the Devils could hire?  As I said before this happened, one of the issues the Devils were going to be facing is that they had no real AGMs and seemingly had no plan for what would happen if Lou were fired or stepped aside.  So hiring a guy who had been an AGM to be the GM of the Devils, under Lou, would've been a really, really difficult hire.  They got a guy who's been a GM and who had taken over for a guy who had been there forever and who had won Stanley Cups, so at least he knows that part of the job.  Like Lou, Shero's biggest problem was goaltending, and that's not going to be an issue here for several years.  Do I think Shero is some great innovator?  No, and that's probably going to be an issue, because the Devils are starting from so far behind the 8 ball that it's going to take some real wizardry to get them anywhere near the top in 5-6 years.

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#1322461 Devils 2014-2015 Off Season Thread

Posted by Triumph on 02 July 2015 - 05:09 PM

Some people, like myself, rightly or wrongly believe that Lou was removed for non hockey reasons. Lou's retooling was going well, as I said many times in the past, and while you can make that argument that he was getting up in age, he certainly isn't your average 72 year old. 


To me this is ownership wanting to put their stamp on the organization, which they have the right to do, as they own the team. I have to believe that if Lou was still in charge, we would have been bigger players in free agency, the 6th pick might have been traded, and Scott Stevens would still be in the organization.


While Shero didn't do anything idiotic during the UFA period, he certainly didn't make the Devils a better team. Frolik, Semin, and Oduya would have been nice bridge players to get us through this time. Think of the Devils as a piece of coal, Semin, Frolik, and Oduya are like LNG a bridge fuel to get us to our green energy stage.


Here is what my lineup would look like


1st in 2016, Merrill, Gelinas, and Ottawa's 3rd for Kessel 15% retained and the Leafs 2nd in 2017


Frolik signed for the same contract the flames offered 


Semin signed 1 year 4 million 


Oduya Signed 3 years 4 million per season


Moore same contract (deal makes sense now because Gelinas is gone)




Cammy Zajac Kessel


Henrique Elias Semin


Frolik Yayo Palmieri


Ruutu Gio Totoo


But hey guys we can't win now


This is a disaster.  This team might make the playoffs.  Where is it going?   It has no 2016 1st round draft pick.  Why?  Why would you give that up?   This team has no centers - it has Zajac who is a 2C, Elias who isn't one anymore either, Josefson who probably isn't a 3C.  It's not a good team.  Maybe it's average.  The defense isn't any good and now you've just made it old again.  You are basically turning this team into the Islanders in the mid 00s - yeah, those Islander teams made the playoffs, but they basically threw away a shot at a Stanley Cup to do so.


The Devils have been through 5 years where the only forward of significance they developed was Adam Henrique.  Everyone else was either on the team already or signed from free agency.  It has been, in a word, horrifying.  The Devils paid a ton of money for their forwards last year - nhlnumbers says over $40 million - and got almost no return on that, because their forwards were way below average.  It's over.  The era of Brodeur and going for it every year is done.  

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#1322239 John Moore to NJD

Posted by Triumph on 01 July 2015 - 03:24 PM

lol relax it was joke albeit a poor one. I have never seen the word aplomb used in a scouting report before. I suppose when scouts write hundreds of reports they need to crack open the thesaurus to avoid repetition.


I agree the Internet has redefined the English language but words like aplomb are not a part of 1970's lexicon nevermind 21st century. My AP English teacher -best teacher I ever had and he taught for 50 years- once advised to never write using words that you wouldn't use in everyday conversation and used "thus" as an example. When was the last time you used the word aplomb in a conversation?


Your AP English teacher is rejecting an enormous amount of interesting or euphonious words that can liven up your writing.  Aplomb is a pretty garbage word as things go, it's awkward to say and has thus fallen out of common usage, but it's a perfectly cromulent word.  Looking in a thesaurus for a word sucks - I recall someone in my AP english class revealing that he would often go through his essays with the MS Word Thesaurus and using that to make his writing more interesting, which is horrendous.  So yeah, I get being against that, and I get being against the dense writing of academia, but language gets pretty dull if you limit it to the words you say.


So yeah, in conclusion, use Moore words, not less.

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#1321451 Devils pick Goalie Blackwood with 2nd round pick

Posted by Triumph on 27 June 2015 - 10:05 AM

Horrendous pick, numbers aren't there to be picked this high.  It might work out, these things sometimes do, but it's really bad.

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#1320068 2015 NHL Off-season Thread

Posted by Triumph on 16 June 2015 - 02:55 PM

Watch a highlight tape of Lundqvist's great saves. Most wouldn't exist if he eats the first shot. Now he does a good job of getting the rebounds most of the time, but save % penalizes a goalie with excellent rebound control.


I'm not going to watch highlights - I'm going to just tell you that Lundqvist saves a higher percentage of first shots than he does rebounds.




This article acknowledges sample-size issues, but here, rebounds are saved 76% of the time.  Let's imagine that the true percentage could be +/-4% on these numbers.  Do you know how amazing Lundqvist would have to be on rebounds to make himself look better on them?  

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#1319200 Friedman: Devils Could Take Run At MSL

Posted by Triumph on 05 June 2015 - 10:24 AM

The St. Louis that played in the playoffs and for most of the second half brings what value when he's even a year older at next years trade deadline?  Then factor is he potentially will be playing on a team with significantly less talent than what he had around him this year.  He's got to be carried at this point  in his career, that's not going to happen here.


If he carries the value of a 7th round pick he's still worth signing.  The Devils have nothing to lose but money.  If he's terrible, great, the whole team is going to be terrible, what's lost here?

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#1318844 Devils 2014-2015 Off Season Thread

Posted by Triumph on 01 June 2015 - 05:32 PM

Dude were not a news site. This is a message board where people discuss stuff. I specified it was a rumour when i posted it and it brought discussion during a very slow time of the year with no news happening. Everyone knows it's a rumour. I keep coming here in the last few weeks and there's almost nothing to talk about and im sure im not the only one thinking that way.


As for the "bullsh!t site" they got quiiiite a few things right. Any "reliable sources" got things wrong too, in hockey things go fast, there's a deal on the table, people hear about it, report it, then the deal is pulled, doesnt mean it was bullsh!t, there was something at some point. Then people jump around freaking out thinking that person is making up stuff. That's why those are rumours. 


That's not saying every single rumours out there are true. But it also doesn't mean that all rumours we hear that is not happening is bullsh!t either. Don't think i dont understand the principle of posting obvious BS on the site and believing everything you read. Obviously. But that site had lots of sh!t right in the last few years. But im sure you'll pin them as BS cause one thing they said didnt pan out.


geez dude have some fun for a little, let it go, You're basically a robot with no personality. Dealing with you is exactly like dealing with the ATM machine compared to interacting with someone at the bank's front desk. You look only at numbers and just talk numbers, discard any intangibles (at least said you dont believe in them or human factors in anything, you have no profile picture, im so convinced you never played team sports, you want anything that is not "controlled" like "rumours" out of here.... live a little dude, wear flashy purple shorts, get a tattoo, go out and let it go. Were supposed to have fun here and discuss. 


You post horsesh!t rumors, I will call it out, every time.  That's just how it is going to be.  If you devoted a thread to the bullsh!t rumors, I would stay out of that thread, but if any if that kind of talk spilled over into other threads, I would call out the bullsh!t there if I saw it.  There's no reason for anyone to have any idea about how many years a player is going to be offered a contract for on June 1 by another team.  People know stuff, stuff gets out, and sometimes rumors that seem outlandish come true.  I've seen that happen plenty.  But you are constantly suckered in by dumb rumors and give this same speech every time I call it out, and almost always it doesn't come true.


This is the only way I will interact with you on this site, but I will continue to do it.  I'm sure your constant lecturing is a big hit among people you know, and look forward to your TED talk on human social behavior.

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#1317892 RAY SHERO = NEW GM. Coach decision is Shero's.

Posted by Triumph on 26 May 2015 - 06:38 PM

So Lou didn't spend a sh!t ton when he was winning cups?  Sure not Rangers, but he was definitely above what would be "the cap" at that time.


It's hard to put anything up on either side right now because we don't know where to go.  Some people put their trust in Lou (me and Will) some people put their trust in ownership (place name here).  Neither side knows what they are critiquing so far yet and that is why you are on the sidelines.


Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.  It's nothing because we are waiting for facts to argue.  It'd be great to just have everything "formulated, sprawling on a pin" (in your poetic sense) but we won't have that for years because not even Harris or Shero have those answers.  I know everyone will call me archaic or "knowing the devil you do know than the one you don't" by saying I wish Lou were around, but I don't.  I just want a unified path.  Let the owners own, the GM manage, the coaches coach, and the players play.  Lou used to have that down (except maybe the coaches coach).  But I just don't like hearing the owners take another hat just because they have some numbers that justify it.  Maybe it means something to laymen, but it can mean more to others that know the game.


The owners had to step in.  The Devils missed the playoffs 3 straight years and arguably got worse each year.  The only unified path that Lou was taking the Devils down was one to obsolescence - and I don't blame him for most of his moves, the Devils had a team with aging stars and you either have to try to augment that with talent or get rid of those stars.  But once it becomes clear that the GM isn't making the moves to turn the franchise around, something has to be done.  They may have tied his hands on a coaching hire during the season, but the Devils were a laughingstock + Cory Schneider from March on, and ownership had to be wary of fixes that involved long-term contracts to aging players.  I wasn't sure that Lou would want to oversee a rebuild that would almost certainly not end before he was taken out of his GM's chair.

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#1312928 Lou's Future

Posted by Triumph on 10 April 2015 - 03:11 PM

This type of thread has popped up in a few different areas, and I keep saying the same thing:  Unless you can name a successor who improves our organization, then don't write how we need to get rid of him.  Keep in mind the challenges he was saddled with the last few years.  This organization was on the verge of bankruptcy.  Parise even stated that the financial state of the Devs played a part in his decision.  It wasn't too long ago that we were in the finals, and please don't make bs excuses about how that was a fluke.  It is what it is, and it was what it was.  Further, consider if you will, the completely unfair penalty we paid for signing Kovy.  There were several players throughout the league signed to similiar deals, but only Jersey was penalized.  That cost us a top 10 pick.  But you know what, this could be a blessing in disguise.  We have a new goal tending tandem that is arguably among the best in the league---when losing Marty, did you expect such a seamless transition or were you one of those screaming because we didn't re-sign Marty?  Our defense is young---YOUNG and good.  With Scott Stevens' tuteledge, the sky's the limit.  Now we have to address offense.  We'll certainly have cap space, although the FA market is slim pickings.  We do have great defensive depth, and that will help land a forward or two, and then nthe draft.  Finally, to the person who posted Glen Sather's name in the conversation...you've got to be kidding.  How long has it taken to get where they are today?  Let's not lose sight that as good as they look now, they still haven't won a thing since '94.  Is THAT the "success" you want???


I'm not hiring GMs, so that's moot.  This is an extremely important summer for the Devils.  They have a high pick - either a 1st overall, 6th overall, or 7th overall.  They have a young defense.  They have a TERRIBLE forward corps - besides Cammalleri, it's almost expansion-team bad, and there don't look to be improvements on the horizon.  All of which is a way of saying that doing basically nothing and letting the team have another bad season is probably preferable to doing a lot - the Devils can't get into long-term contract commitments to average players on the UFA market.  They shouldn't sign Antoine Vermette, or even think about it.  They shouldn't sign Justin Williams, or even think about it.  These are moves that will not only not help this team substantially, they will detract from it - by adding salary commitments to when the Devils need to pay people like Damon Severson big money, they will impact their future team negatively for a weak short-term gain.  If they have a 6th or 7th overall pick, that player should not play in the NHL next year, regardless of how good he does in training camp.  These are simple things which will help the Devils 2-3 years down the road which should be the focus of the franchise at this point.  Making the playoffs in 2017 while hanging on to their 1st round picks in 2015 and 2016 should be the goal.  Any move that detracts from that is bad, and I could see a lot of possible moves that do that.  If the Devils can hire a GM who will not look for short-term solutions, then that guy is better than a Lou who signs Antoine Vermette.

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