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#1198366 Devils trade #9 pick in 2013 Draft to Vancouver for Cory Schneider

Posted by Triumph on 30 June 2013 - 09:10 PM

well we don't know that. Not saying its gonna happen but we may very well be a week before free agency and Schneider will have not seen any offers yet. And folks here will say things like "if he want to test the market he totally deserved the right to do so and it may be his only chance to see big money and bla bla bla and if he want crazy money we're not gonna overpay him for sure!" etc etc etc.


do you ever give it a rest?  i don't want to have to ignore you.

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#1197659 2013 NHL Draft

Posted by Triumph on 27 June 2013 - 11:40 PM

(Grrrr, Tapatalk making me mad) I was going to say that the big problem with this article is that the writer considers anyone drafted in the first three rounds to be an "early" pick. Usually we think of anything past the 16th pick to not be an early pick. If he wanted to do something more useful, he should have confined it to the first round selections, maybe the second round, but no further than that. Or better yet, compare high point second rounders to low point first rounders and see if there's anything to it. Thats especially the case since he's making a pretty bold prediction that Jordan Subban will be a better NHLer than Zadorov.


That is casting a wide net, but it eats up plenty of 1st rounders as well.  Like I said, I don't like the certainty, because one junior season has plenty of variance in it, and a player can have a rough season by the percentages.  But it's something that I always say - while offense may not make it to the next level, it is always a good sign.  If you're not putting up points in junior, you probably don't have much skill with the puck, and it's hard to develop that outside of junior.  Indeed, there are guys like Chara who developed it later on, but they are the exception.  I think with a lot of these big players, the idea is that he has to grow into his body or something like that, but it's just not often that it happens.

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#1197387 2013 NHL Draft

Posted by Triumph on 26 June 2013 - 06:35 PM

The Rangers don't have any legitimate defense prospects, so them trading Del Zotto or Girardi would be a nightmare for them.  They are already down Sauer and quite possibly Staal


Now you are talking nonsense.  A team that drafts consistently in the 10 to 6 range that only has a bunch of players that are "capable of playing in the NHL" to show for it will always be drafting there because that team won't be any good.  Steve Bernier and Ryan Carter are capable of playing in the NHL.  Even if you don't take into account plausible alternatives, any GM that told you he wasn't disappointed because he got one of those players at number 9 would be considered a clown.  


Or how about this, imagine if Lou traded the number 9 pick for, I don't know, Cal Clutterbuck, a perfectly capable NHL player.  You can tell me how much he "drives play" all you want, but, if you were being honest at all, you would be screaming that Lou has lost his mind. 


Because GMs also don't know how to think probabalistically.  Josh Bailey probably represents the 50th percentile or so of 9th overall picks.  Here, I'll extend a band between 7 and 11, and go over the drafts since 1998 to 2009:


1998:  Malhotra, M. Bell, Rupp, Antropov, Heerema (1 out of 5 became a 'top 6 forward' - Bell was very briefly, maybe)

1999:  Beech, Pyatt, Lundmark, Mezei, Saprykin (0 of 5 became a top 6 F/top 4 D)

2000:  Jonsson, Alexeev, Krahn, Yakubov, Vorobiev (0 of 5)

2001:  Komisarek, Leclaire, Ruutu, Blackburn, Sjostrom (I'll be generous and call this 3 of 5)

2002:  Lupul, Bouchard, Taticek, Nystrom, Ballard (Again, generous, 3 of 5)

2003:  Suter, Coburn, Phaneuf, Kostitsyn, Carter (5 of 5, again, being generous)

2004:  Olesz, Picard, Smid, Valabik, Tukonen (1 of 5, generous)

2005:  Skille, Setoguchi, Lee, Bourdon, Kopitar (2 of 5, generous)

2006:  Okposo, Mueller, Sheppard, Frolik, Bernier (jury's out on Bernier, I'm calling this 1.5 out of 5)

2007:  Voracek, Hamill, Couture, Ellerby, Sutter (2 of 5)

2008:  Wilson, Boedker, Bailey, Hodgson, Beach (Generously giving 3.5)

2009:  Kadri, Glennie, Cowen, Paajarvi, Ellis (2.5 out of 5)


So that's 24.5 out of 60 players who became top 4 D or top 6 Fs, and I pretty much gave everyone who was marginal a pass.  This draft is supposed to be stronger, but again, you really can't go overrating a pick this high, it is by no means a sure thing, and if the Devils come out of it with a 2nd/3rd line player, it's not a disappointment, nor is it a triumph.

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#1193843 Will the Devils trade up in this year's draft?

Posted by Triumph on 01 June 2013 - 10:03 AM

I don't think we have the picks to get that done. Henrique would probably have to be gone in that deal at least along with a bunch of other stuff 


Henrique + our 2nd + 9th overall probably does it - maybe throw in something else like Mark Fayne.  But that's still too much.  

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#1193824 Will the Devils trade up in this year's draft?

Posted by Triumph on 31 May 2013 - 10:47 PM

I'm comfortable staying at 9 but I wouldn't be opposed to moving back. Just to speculate...Columbus picks at 14 and 19. I wonder what what it would cost if the Devils wanted to move back for those 2 picks? 9th+Urbom/Gelinas+?...I don't even know what Columbus needs or if they'd want to move up. Picking at 14 and 19 could yield 2 decent forward prospects like Zykov, Lazar, Horvat to name a few.


I think that's a tough trade to get done - 9 and 40 don't cut it, hard to see what else we could give them.  They definitely do not want Gelinas or Urbom unless they are for some reason really high on them (and again, I don't know how much scouting of the AHL NHL teams are doing, without reason), as they just tossed away John Moore in the Gaborik deal - I think they have a pretty good D prospect corps.  I'd trade 9 for 19 and give them a 2nd for CBJ's 1st round pick next year, again, not a move I see them liking, and a huge gamble to boot.

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#1188487 Devils have recalled Sislo, Pesonen and Gelinas

Posted by Triumph on 23 April 2013 - 03:45 PM

Henrique should be watching the wingers because that's where he belongs long-term. I'm hoping they'll see that by training camp next season.


It is not surprising that not playing with Kovalchuk and Parise means Henrique's point totals are down.  He's just not that great with the puck.  It would not surprise me if Henrique's 1st season represents a career high in points.

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#1187538 GDT New Jersey Devils at Philthy 730PM MSG+

Posted by Triumph on 18 April 2013 - 10:14 PM

Not to mention beating the Rangers.  I'll lose 2 spots in the draft if it means keeping those idiots out of the playoffs.

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#1187286 Elias about Lou's free agents approach

Posted by Triumph on 17 April 2013 - 06:10 PM

I hope I'm wrong, but I think the fact that our future is not exactly bright combined with the fact that other teams will offer him more money....


Why would you think the Devils don't have the money?  That's all they have.  Tons of cap room.  The idea that Lamoriello doesn't pay players is 10 years out of date. 


Most of the best teams in the league do not have cap room.  The Devils not only have it, they don't have any irreplacable players going UFA in the next 2 years after this one.

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#1180003 Devils trade for Matt D'Agostini (STL)

Posted by Triumph on 22 March 2013 - 02:13 PM

Life per Triumph


1- use numbers to try to backup a point or a prediction


2- when it fails, blame luck


This adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.  (and neither does my pointing it out, but you do this a lot and it's annoying)


The shots have to come up a little, but if he gets stopped, they do come up a little.   That's the life of a garbageman, goalie kicks out his pad to stop your shot, instead of getting 1 goal on 1 shot, you get 0 goals on 2 or 3 shots slamming it into his pads.    He's still 23, we'll see what happens next season.   But I like what I see from him scoring-wise.    And let's be honest, on this team if you sit around waiting for someone to get you a goal, it ain't happening unless you play with Patty.


Not really buying this explanation - plus Henrique is a center, how many garbageman centers can you think of?  I agree if he's moved out to wing he should end up with more shots and more goals, but predicting anything based of this 'garbageman' persona you've constructed for him over X number of games - it doesn't seem likely.  

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#1171233 So what do you think about the shootout?

Posted by Triumph on 15 February 2013 - 04:40 PM

NHLPA has argued against a 10 minute overtime - sorry folks, you won't see it, ever.


Shootout is a good solution to an unsolvable problem - hockey games don't often have a winner after 60 minutes.  It showcases skills that players take years to develop and hardly ever get a chance to display, both for shooters and goalies.  It adds an interesting strategic element to a game often lacking in that department (whereas football and baseball you can routinely ask a fellow watcher, what would you do here if you were manager/coach, hockey really has none of that except at the micro level).  And it gets rid of the tie, an unsatisfying end to the majority of hockey games that ended in ties.  On occasion you'd see a great game where both teams had their chances and couldn't make it happen and the tie was justified, but most of the time the game oozed to a slow dribble and stopped at an arbitrary time.


The NHL erred by not making the point system 3-2-1-0, but given that the Devils take full advantage of this by playing extremely low-event hockey in an attempt to get as many 3 point games as possible, I can't be all that upset about it.

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#1169126 Devils acquire Loktionov

Posted by Triumph on 06 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

Tri, what are your thoughts about Henrique at wing. Let's say this Lok kid is good...




or reverse wings. What kind of potential does that have, IF that's maybe a pipe dream thought Lou is having with that trade.  High risk/reward.


I like it.  Use Elias-Zajac-Clarkson against the toughs, give the Henrique-Loktionov-Kovalchuk line a lot of time in the offensive zone, then have a third line with Zubrus, Josefson, and Butler.  4th line CBGB.  If you want to use CBGB against the other team's 2nd line, as DeBoer (insanely) did in last year's playoffs, go nuts.

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#1167891 GDT: Devils vs Islanders (7PM 1/31)

Posted by Triumph on 01 February 2013 - 02:27 PM

You're overdoing with the numbers a bit on this one...I simply dared to mention that Josefson's +/-, in relation to his teammates', raises a few eyebrows. I never intimated that it was the end of the world or something that should have us all terribly concerned, based on the small sample size, and I also said that I don't think it he is entirely to blame for it. And though I respect the numbers you've put up here, I maintain that it's not all about bad luck when it comes to -4 in 6 GP scenarios...unless you've watched EVERY case where that's happened, you can't say with 100% certainty that it's ALWAYS due to rotten luck.

Okay, so maybe there's an instance when in 6 games, a player throws the puck into his own net intentionally 4 times; I agree that I haven't seen that nor have I decided to check if that has ever happened. If it did, I bet it's on the 1983-84 Penguins' game tape. Aside from that, there are always enormous chance elements in everything that goes on during a hockey game. A player missing a check and it leading to a goal isn't a -1 on his head - it's a team game. The goalie could have stopped the shot - goalies stop most shots. They stop more than 50% of shootout attempts. Beyond the goalie, one of his teammates could have bailed him out. It's these events repeating - constant missed checks, turnovers, etc. that result in negative shot differentials and aside from cases where players beat the percentages, minuses. My point was that no NHL player has ever deserved a -4 after 6 games - either his team isn't shooting well when he's on the ice, or his goalie's not stopping enough pucks.
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#1167098 Matt anderson called up

Posted by Triumph on 29 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

Tri, all I said was that Josefson was a little behind of where he was expected to be. Yes, I think the games he missed last year set him back a little bit...not a ton, but a little bit, as far as development goes. At the very least, he has shown he can play at the NHL level. Again, hopefully he stays healthy, as he's already going to lose 34 games this season of development time at the NHL level.

You're not really understanding. Josefson isn't 'showing he can play at the NHL level'. He's on the first unit on the PK. For forwards 21 and under, he's near the top 10 of ice time per game. That's why I think the idea that he's 'a little behind where he was expected to be' is ridiculous. The Devils expected a guy they drafted in 2009 would be playing in all situations 15 minutes a game in 2012-13? I'm sure they hoped that, I have a hard time believing they expected better.
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#1165307 GDT: Philthadelphia Failures @ New Jersey Devils

Posted by Triumph on 22 January 2013 - 10:51 PM

Nice win. Devils played horribly in the first but bounced back in the final 2 periods. Some luck on the Clarkson goal and the penalty shot didn't seem entirely deserved but wow has Kovalchuk become money on those plays.

Love Josefson getting 17 minutes. Tedenby got stapled to the bench after his terrible point coverage + penalty - that seemed inevitable. It was fun when he wasn't in the doghouse though. Matteau - 3 shots again, makes some nice reads in the offensive zone, but in the defensive zone he needs work. It's going to be a tough decision but I think he will be sent back. Still, unless he regresses, won't be that hard to pencil him in on next year's team.
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#1161891 Niedermayer hired by the Ducks as an Assistant coach.

Posted by Triumph on 11 January 2013 - 01:25 PM

In other news, Rob Niedermayer was hired as assistant to the assistant trainer.

Nah, Scott'll do well - he's smart, he wears glasses off the ice.
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