Hurricanes maybe are a good comparison, but the Flyers are not. They had much more depth going into and out of their bad season. Their young guys on the upswing were Richards/Carter, who are much better than Tedenby/Josefson will be.
in the devils' case, the improvement will come from having parise for a full season and having kovalchuk score like normal. let's not go painting these parallels too close. i'll start looking for comparable teams but there aren't going to be many who end up outshooting the opposition and yet ending up a lottery team. toronto last year was one, but their penalty killing was horrendous. right now the devils are -2 on special teams and -38 at evens despite outshooting teams. that's hard to do.
What makes you think that? As it stands now, and all things being equal, the main differences will be: Parise for the entire year, Tedenby/Josefson improving, maybe a 19 year old Larsson/Coutier; no Langs, Arnott and maybe no Rolston, Clarkson, Andy Greene; other players past their prime getting older (White, Brodeur, Elias).
You don't stink this badly for it just to be a fluke. No, we're not late 90s Islanders bad. There's a good core of players. But the depth, especially at the blue-line, is more than a year away from being good enough to comfortably make the playoffs.
the flyers made the playoffs in 06. they made the playoffs in 08. in 07 they finished dead last.
the hurricanes made the playoffs in 09. they were the 7th worst team in the nhl last season. they are around nhl average this season, things could go either way for them.
a big part of things would be either getting rid of brodeur or getting a 1B goalie who can spell brodeur for 40 or so games.
I'm starting to think somewhere in between. Assuming no new disasters, next year we'll probably be between missing the playoffs by 10 points and eeking in. Parise playing a full year, plus Kovy, Tallinder, Volchenkov (just by virtue of getting used to things, IMO anyway) improving will help. Brodeur, White being one year older plus even less defensive depth than this year will hurt.
Not bad enough to blow the whole thing up, not good enough for a major bounceback. 2012-13 season is probably when things start to turn around to everyone's liking. Maybe we'll have Larsson plus Jon Merrill (who is doing very well at Michigan, statwise anyway) to fill out the D. Tedenby/Josefson should both be solid NHLers by then. With Rolston gone, maybe enough cap space to sign another solid defenseman.
what's the deal with this plus and minus at the bottom right of posts - looks like a way to 'rate' posts. i've never been on a board that does this, but i've always heard it leads to exceptionally juvenile use/abuse.
i cannot trust jacques lemaire with brendan shanahan. this was the reason i was against signing shanahan last year.
so you knew brent sutter was going to leave and be replaced by jacques lemaire all the way back in december? why didn't you tell us???
the lemaire hatred around here is starting to disgust me. i think the deception (not perception) that he "hates offense" and is incapable of adapting to the newer version of this team is absolutely overblown. all of you in that camp are not giving the man enough credit or respect.
IMHO I can see Shanahan flourishing under Lemaire. But hey, I can't see the future like Tri can, so what do I know?
this is a pretty deliberate misreading of what i said, although i have to admit i wasn't clear. why i didn't want shanahan signed last year is because he was shot in the playoffs for the rangers as a result of overuse. the devils used him intelligently for the first few weeks, but quickly moved his ice time up to unacceptable levels. given jacques lemaire's usage of bobby carpenter in 1998, lou has to leave jacques with as little chance to hurt himself by completely overusing a veteran player - he already avoided part of this problem by not re-signing madden. if shanahan were a 12 minute, 4th line, PP type of player, who sat out all the back to backs - fine. if he's again a 17 minute, PK, PP, does it all - it will be a disaster, mitigated by the fact that new jersey fans inexplicably went nuts when shanahan would rush down ice, or by the exceptionally smart and creative plays shanahan will occasionally display.
just say no to shanahan. i like what he did here, he's a solid addition, but i cannot trust jacques lemaire with brendan shanahan. this was the reason i was against signing shanahan last year. and now that the rangers are eviscerating their bottom lines, shanahan would actually fit on that team now.