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#1298304 Lou isn't going anywhere

Posted by Triumph on 29 December 2014 - 03:58 PM

When is the last time he's shown that? He's been stuck in the same mode for a decade if not longer. Old stubborn dogs don't learn new tricks, he would first have to admit he's made huge mistakes (saw this somewhere else, since 2000 they have drafted 6 guys that have played 200 NHL games), I forget who they were off the top but more than a couple were barely serviceable guys at best. To admit you make mistakes you would have to look in the rear view mirror which Lou has repeatedly said he doesn't do. That wold make him incapable of even assessing his own performance. His way or the highway, love it or piss off.


gdhi I believe it was your quote about the draft choices and having played 200 NHL games, did I recall it correctly or am I off base.


That stat is dumb because there's nothing that can be done to go back to 2000 and fix that.  Furthermore, the Devils have 4 guys who are locks to fulfill that barring injury currently on their roster. (Merrill, Gelinas, Severson, Larsson).  So it's a really ineffective look at performance.  That's not to say the Devils' draft performance is good - it hasn't been that good.  But it hasn't been as bad as it's made out to be here, and how they did in 2000 really doesn't reflect that much on the present roster - it's just not likely to pull miracles out every year when you are picking late in the 1st round or not at all in the 1st round.  Detroit's done it.  Arguably Philadelphia has done it.  Everyone else who was good in 2000 went through a period of being not good since then.


This year's deadline and draft will say a lot about the direction of the franchise.  To me Lou hasn't made that one move that is deserving of a firing.

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#1297171 2014-2015 New Jersey Devils chokestravaganza!

Posted by Triumph on 23 December 2014 - 11:27 PM

Anyone characterizing this game as a 'choke' really hasn't seen a bad hockey team.

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#1295531 'He Makes Other Players Better'

Posted by Triumph on 16 December 2014 - 12:11 PM

I loathe cliches - I mean, sure, I use them plenty, but I also don't like using them without thinking.  Hockey broadcasters and hockey lifers often have nothing but cliches to offer, so I get exposed to them plenty.  One of the classic hockey cliches to say about a player is that 'he makes other players better'.  It's said about your dominant center types typically - guys who control the flow of the game when they're on the ice.  Even though Patrik Elias spent most of his years as a LW, this was true of him as well.  Lots of Devil forwards had their best career seasons playing alongside Patrik Elias.  Elias is 9th in assists between the years 1999-2000 and 2013-14, and this despite seldom playing with a player better than him.   Playing with him in his final season gave Petr Sykora a 20 goal season and has made Dainius Zubrus's numbers not look awful.


We've seen the deterioration in Patrik's game this year and now he's out with an injury and he's 38 years old.  Watching this team play without him - both while he was playing, he was not 'Patrik Elias', and now with him in the press box - it's a reminder of just how great a player he was.  The Devils never lacked for a first-line forward with Elias on the team between the years I mentioned above.  Stick a guy with Elias and he was going to look better, usually.  Now the only guy they have that fits the cliche on their team is Jaromir Jagr who is 43 years old.


These players are vital not just because they are really good, but because your team needs them for your other players to be put into a position to succeed.  Without them a team is just fighting uphill all the time.  Michael Ryder doesn't suck just because he is terrible, but also because he doesn't have anyone out there helping cover up his deficiencies and accentuating his strengths.  Reid Boucher will have the same struggles if he comes back up.  Adam Henrique and Travis Zajac can't do this alone.  Free agency offers no solutions.  Trading likely offers no solutions.  The only answer is in the draft.  We'll see what they can find.

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#1293230 Brunner clears waivers- PDB says their relationship is over

Posted by Triumph on 05 December 2014 - 12:27 PM

Jagr's going to be back next game.  I think the Devils are trying to make room for Mike Sislo - he did get 15 minutes last night, after all - and seeing if anyone takes a flyer on Brunner is the first step to that.


I don't think at his salary that he will be claimed.

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#1292645 GDT: Devs @ Pens

Posted by Triumph on 02 December 2014 - 10:13 PM

we had chances to draft talent, but Lou decided to draft Mike Hoeffel over Wayne Simmonds, Kiril Tulupov over Brad Marchand, Mattias Tedenby over Tyler Ennis and John Carlson, Brandon Burlon over Travis Hamonic (the very next pick!) Jacob Josefson over Marcus Johansson, and Stephane Matteau's stupid kid over Tanner Pearson (the very next pick)


Can you imagine how the board would've flipped out if Lou had taken a 20 year old with a 1st round pick - it would've been priceless.

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#1292154 Gomez Has Arrived

Posted by Triumph on 01 December 2014 - 12:17 PM

It can't be worse than what's been going on.  I mean, it probably can, but at least Gomez can carry the puck through the neutral zone probably.  Here's hoping he has a Val Kamensky style career rebirth for a few games.

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#1292153 A Plan To Try To Right The Ship (For Next Year)

Posted by Triumph on 01 December 2014 - 12:13 PM

I'm not sure there is any salvaging the Devils' season this year.  There's too many holes on the team, and spending a bunch of draft picks to patch them isn't the right idea.  I thought losing Salvador and Clowe to injury would help the team, but Havlat and Ryder have emerged as players who simply cannot be playing on a good hockey team, and Zajac's offense has fallen off even more than last year.  I don't think Lou should be considering any trade that isn't made with an eye towards next year.  The Devils could start winning - some timely goal scoring and Schneider playing .930 hockey could certainly get the Devils ahead, probably, but not far enough.  So here's what I would do to try to get the team going again:


1.  Trade Eric Gelinas ASAP.  He's being healthy scratched despite there being 2 injuries on defense.  He's a specialty item on a team that can no longer afford that luxury.  If you had the kind of forward group that can carry along an Eric Gelinas at even strength, then great, but the Devils won't, and they won't for some time.  I'm afraid of what the Devils might lose if Gelinas somehow gets good, but if they wait another year, there may be no market at all for Gelinas.  Get what you can for him, kid's got a hell of a shot and if he figures out the defensive zone even a little bit he'll be a player worth having.  I'd be willing to get a 2nd round pick for him if that pick were to be shopped for upgrades at forward.


2.  Try to set up an Andrei Loktionov sort of trade.  The Loktionov trade didn't work out, but Loktionov was 90% of the way to being a pretty good player.  Bad defense and some bad shooting luck by his line were his undoing last year.  The Devils need a center badly - Patrik Elias isn't going to be the answer for very long if he is now, and Jacob Josefson is not good enough to do even what Patrik is doing now.  I'd be willing to deal the Devils' 2nd round pick this year for a young center who isn't getting an opportunity where he is now.  I'm not sure right now who that is or where that player exists, but the Devils will have plenty of picks in this year's draft if they continue down the road they're on now, so I don't mind giving one up for a shot at this kind of player.


3.  Buy out Dainius Zubrus at season's end.  I have always liked Zubrus's game, but the Devils did not see the warning signs in 2012-13 and wishcasted themselves into a 3 year deal with a player who has rapidly declining skills.  His contract is not that expensive but 3 years for him was quite simply a dumb move - much dumber than the 3 years on Elias's deal.  Zubrus is a defense-only player at this point - he's a smart enough player on offense that he fools you into thinking he might have something to give there, but he just doesn't.


4.  Keep Jaromir Jagr.  If Jagr wants out, fine, but if he doesn't, it's hard not to keep him because he is the only player above water right now.  The Devils simply aren't going to do better than him next year on the free agent market and they still need right wings, even if they trade Gelinas for one.


5.  Stop thinking that Adam Henrique is 'ready to break out' - He's a decent 2nd line wing or good 3rd line center, and that's what he is.  A good player to have, but not the cornerstone of a franchise.


So my ideal Devils team next year looks something like:















Where Z is a player acquired for Gelinas, Y is a player acquired for a 2nd round pick, and X - maybe X is someone we drafted in the top 8 of next year's draft.  It does figure to be deep.  A and B I'm not so sure of.


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#1286005 DeBoer "Firing Watch" Thread

Posted by Triumph on 30 October 2014 - 11:54 AM

whoa whoa.. careful now!!! We're not allowed to bring up his 3 years in Florida......... or last season either!! (after all, poor Pete had so much to deal with the Brodeur\Schneider drama) Can't bring up what's happened thus-far.. this season just started after all. Can't look @ 2013 either!!!! That was a half-a-season lockout year, and should absolutely be stricken from the record.

All we will focus on his 2012. The wonderful, lovely, magnificent SCF run in 2012. Everything else with DeBoer doesn't matter as a Head Coach.. just 2012. Doesn't matter that this is his 7th year of exp. on the job.. 2012 should be the only season that gets glorified! :thumbsup:


Sure, go ahead, bring up his 3 years in Florida.  You can bring them up all you like.  The problem for you guys is that you can't just say 'He didn't make the playoffs in Florida, therefore he's no good' without sounding like an idiot.  Here is the team that came within one point of making the playoffs in 2008-09:














Does this team look good to anyone?  Doesn't look good to me outside of the net.  In fact you have a ton of guys on this team who have looked worse elsewhere, although a lot of that's due to injury, but even the young players on this team have gone elsewhere and struggled.  And the teams just got worse from there.


On the final day of Deboer's Florida tenure, here is the lineup he put out there:





Ti. Kennedy-Rissmiller-B. Thomas




C. Wilson-J. Callahan




This was in 2011.  Of this team, Garrison, Kulikov, Weaver, and Santorelli are the only NHL regulars left.  And that was 3 and a half years ago.

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#1284443 It is game 7 of a new season

Posted by Triumph on 24 October 2014 - 04:21 PM

You guys wrap yourselves into conniptions about who plays and who doesn't play.  It's mostly bullsh!t.  Who plays on the 4th line isn't going to make that huge a deal.  The Devils iced a way way worse 4th line 3 years ago.  Their 4th line isn't good, but it isn't that bad.  You guys bitch about this, you bitch about Larsson, and meanwhile we haven't seen a rookie season like this from a player since Scott Gomez - Damon Severson played his way on to the team and started crushing and I hear almost nothing about him.  It is positively bizarre how great this kid is playing and how much obsessing there is over other stuff.  And the thing is that in 3 weeks it's not going to matter anyway - injuries are going to make it so that who's on the roster plays and there aren't a ton of choices.

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#1281970 Would you trade Adam Larsson...

Posted by Triumph on 12 October 2014 - 10:10 PM

It's a fact, sorry to break it to you. I remember you calling players or prospects (you've never seen live) playing overseas awful cause they had a bad shooting % which was the only info you had on them.


You're as robotic as an human being can get, that's no news to anyone here.


You have as good a memory as you are a reader or a thinker.  Does this make any sense?  Could you think about this for a single second and think 'Hey, does this make sense?'  It just shows you don't even know what you don't know - you haven't paid attention to a lot of what I've written.


ATL:  he wasn't calling me a pessimist, he's saying I judge players without context.  The enormous irony of course is that A: I do consider context and that B: it's a lot easier to be skeptical of my method than it is to come up with a counter method.  First it's 'Corsi doesn't matter' now it's 'you have no context'.

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#1281474 GDT 10/7/14: THE NJ DEVILS @ Philadelphia 7PM

Posted by Triumph on 09 October 2014 - 09:32 PM

Lot to like, lot to dislike - Salvador of course did not fail to disappoint - he's got to be better.  He actually wasn't that bad skating-wise but his reads seemed off at times.  Zidlicky didn't have a very good game either although his pass to Havlat was sick.


Cammalleri at least from Game 1 is as advertised - I thought he shot a little too much but hey 7 shots isn't bad.


Severson looked how I thought he would - he has to be impressing people.  He tried a play in the 3rd period where he tried to flip the puck to himself to get around the forecheck.  It was totally nuts but he is not afraid.


Gelinas was unremarkable and unremarkable is good.


4th line was a disappointment, they shouldn't get run that hard by the other 4th line.  


And of course Schneider was not great but he was not terrible - the Flyers did get 39 shots after all.  Goals #1 and #2 were not his best work.


Just glad to have Devils hockey back.

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#1280644 2014-2015 Around the league thread

Posted by Triumph on 06 October 2014 - 05:28 PM

Stop me if you've heard this one before - black kid in hockey thought to have a bad attitude

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#1279731 I hope the Devils never do what the Red Sox did

Posted by Triumph on 29 September 2014 - 02:15 PM

Easy to see both sides of the 'retirement tour' - fans would've felt upset if Jeter said yesterday 'Oh by the way, I'm retiring', and he would've had to deal with the questions all year long and would have to find a new way to stonewall every week and the endless speculation.  So he ended all of that and just said he was done after this year.  Anyone that wanted to see Jeter's last moments in the league did - no one feels cheated in that respect.  People might be bored or annoyed at the constant Jeter veneration, but to me he did right by his fans and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

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#1278896 Preseason GDT: Devils @ The Rangers

Posted by Triumph on 22 September 2014 - 10:35 PM

Yeah, I guess I'll do a rundown on everyone - why not


Elias - who cares, it's preseason


Zubrus - same thing, although I can't say I loved his game


Havlat - he's got the shiftiness.  He stood out on a number of plays - the Devils are going to have to give him a finisher.


Boucher - great game, probably make him the player of the game.  Made the right reads on the puck and made some excellent plays with it.


Henrique - also had a very solid game - what a ripper to end it


Ryder - still skates the same as ever but somehow managed two goals tonight.  Just don't ever give him the puck in the neutral zone


Matteau - liked his game - played tough


Josefson - Blah.  Not much here tonight from Jacob.  Still only preseason but I was unimpressed.


Tootoo - still has the wheels, still takes bad penalties.


Fedotenko - didn't look terrible, but didn't look all that good either.


Sestito-Janssen - I don't need to say anything about these two


On to the defense:


Gelinas-Larsson - Gelinas made some good defensive reads.  He had a particularly nice sequence 1 on 1 with Martin St. Louis.  As for Larsson, he's still got all the problems he's had the last 3 years - he has trouble turning and accelerating.  Still made some good reads in the D zone.


Kaberle-Severson - I actually liked what Kaberle was doing out there, he has a good idea of how to break the puck out.  I'm curious how he would play in the corners of a non-preseason game.  And of course he never shoots, but we knew that already.  Severson also looked pretty good - he had a few poor breakout passes but he's got the right idea of what to do.  He's not trying to go off the glass with stuff, and that's a good sign.


Kelly-Komisarek - It's hard to judge Dan Kelly because he played beside Mike Komisarek who was basically a wreck all night.  Komisarek got 13 minutes in a preseason game which isn't exactly a show of confidence - I'll be very surprised if he ends up on this team. 

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#1274297 NJ/Albany Minor Transactions Thread (was Thomson/Johnson thread)

Posted by Triumph on 27 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

From 01-07, our scouting as absolutely abysmal.  Aside from Henrique, Parise, Zajac and Fayne, there was absolutely no talent in that 7 year period.  I think it is fair to say that the last five years, they've been much better drafting


Edit: if it wasn't for picking up key UDFA like Greene and Clarkson, it would've looked a lot worse


Where I give credit to scouting staffs is when players look like NHLers all the way up until they actually don't, especially with later-round picks.  So yeah, Hoeffel is a miss - year 2 of his NCAA career and he didn't look like he'd be anything worthwhile.  Still, people like Palmieri and Halischuk have or had NHL careers - they're not bad picks.  Obviously that doesn't win you NHL hockey games to say 'Oh, well Nick Palmieri was a half-decent player until his career fell apart and this year he was 5th in scoring on his German league team', but they identified players with NHL-level talent, which isn't easy to do.


Maybe what we can take from this is that our scouts are much better with North American prospects than they are with Europeans. It's to the point where I'd rather they just draft North Americans. It can't all just be bad luck with the Europeans we've drafted recently.


The Devils really haven't drafted that many European players overall.  Sticking to North America is a good way to fall behind other organizations who aren't categorically rejecting 25% of the player pool for no good reason.  And again, under the system I outlined above, someone like Urbom is a success.  He skates like an NHLer, he's got an NHLer's body, he just can't play NHL-level defense.  They identified a good player and a lot of stuff happened since he was drafted and he didn't make it all the way there.  I'd say the same thing about Josefson - who knows what he is without all the injury setbacks?  But if you can draft 5 Urboms in the 3rd and 4th round over the course of 5 years and one guy turns out to be Henrik Tallinder and the other 4 wash out in different ways, I think as an organization you'd take that.

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