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#1214300 Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?

Posted by Triumph on 07 October 2013 - 04:36 PM

At least they are listening to the fans (somewhat).  Unfortunately for them, I think this is also doomed for failure as eventually the "you suck" chant will make it back in one form or another, regardless of the goal song that is played.

 

The fans that like and miss the chant will find a way to do it.  For example...right after puck is dropped on the faceoff following the goal and the new goal song is turned off, the crowd chants, "Hey...You suck!"  I can see something like that developing over time. 

 

I mean, this is an acceptable compromise, I understand the crowd has to chant the word 'suck' 800 times a night, but it would definitely beat having it be part of the song.


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#1213801 Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?

Posted by Triumph on 05 October 2013 - 01:20 PM

Holy christ could people understand that (at least) my objection, and most of the other objections expressed in this thread, have little to do with profanity?  It has to do with celebrating a goal by mocking the other team.  It'd basically be inexplicable to someone you were explaining sports to, or indeed, even someone you were bringing to a Devils game for the first time.  'Okay, now when the Devils score a goal, they do this chant, 'you suck' - but it's directed at the other team.'  'So, the other team sucks for giving up a goal to the Devils?  Doesn't that mean the Devils suck too, by implication?  I mean, if you suck for having given up a goal to them, then they probably suck too'  'No, no, they're great, it's complicated, it's tradition'


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#1212796 The Three Tests For Peter DeBoer

Posted by Triumph on 02 October 2013 - 02:01 PM

I agree with the brodeur part, but while loktinov has potential, I feel hes extremely overrated on this website. I also couldnt disagree more that fayne is better than volchenkov and larsson. Everyone was better than salvador last year, we all know that, but you have to see how he comes out of the gate this year. Its not impossible for him to bounce back. But larssons decision making, puck moving skills, and poise, makes him without a doubt much better than fayne. Also volchenkovs shot blocking and ability to take the body makes him much better than fayne. Faynes decisions with the puck have ALWAYS been atrocious. Losing fayne at the end of the year wouldnt effect this team one bit, especially with a handful of young Dmen coming up with much more potential than him.

 

People say stuff like this, and I'd just like for you to remember this post in 5 years.  It is really hard to find players as good as Mark Fayne.  Then again, you don't think he's good already, but he's not sitting for players who are better than him, he is sitting for Peter Harrold, a guy who couldn't crack the team when Fayne was getting 20 minutes a night in 2011-12.

 

It's all in the data.  The team does better with Fayne on the ice than with Larsson and Volchenkov.


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#1212773 The Three Tests For Peter DeBoer

Posted by Triumph on 02 October 2013 - 01:07 PM

Peter DeBoer has already passed a test no Devils coach has since Jacques Lemaire's first tenure - being the coach on 3 straight opening days.  However, he's got 3 more tests this season that could determine whether we see him back for a 4th season or whether he goes the way of so many Lamoriello coaching hires.  I will categorize these tests as the 3 tests from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, because if the Devils don't make the playoffs, then the forces of darkness will march all over the face of the earth.

 

1.  The Path Of God - Andrei Loktionov

 

Andrei Loktionov came over in a midseason trade and was called up shortly thereafter.  He had a marvelous hot streak, but the Devils didn't win that often with him in the lineup - hockey-reference has them going 8-20 with Loktionov.  His territorial stats may be somewhat of a fluke, but this kid can play.  He's got some defensive shortcomings but he is terrific on the forecheck and has excellent vision.  Right now he's not included on the Devils power play but to me this has to change.  If the Devils don't play him a lot and he goes back to Russia as a result, they may have missed out on a tremendous player.

 

2.  The Word Of God - Martin Brodeur

 

Brodeur's word has been that of the Word of God for more than 15 years, and indeed most Devils coaches have been jumping from M to A to R to T etc. on stones to avoid falling to their deaths.  DeBoer is going to have to handle this transition diplomatically, because Brodeur will run to the press if he's not starting often.  Still, it's hard to imagine Brodeur being much better than he's been the last 3 years, and Schneider should be getting 50 starts this year if he stays injury-free.

 

3.  The Breath Of God - Mark Fayne

 

The analogy breaks down here, but icing a defense with Bryce Salvador, Anton Volchenkov, Marek Zidlicky, and Peter Harrold may be like jumping into an open chasm at times.  Mark Fayne ended up in the doghouse last year after a few giveaways led to goals, but what didn't lead to goals with Hedberg and Brodeur in net?  Fayne is head and shoulders better than Volchenkov, Salvador, and Harrold and was better than Adam Larsson last year too.  It appears he's sitting out the opening game - if the Devils treat Fayne poorly, he'll walk at the end of the season, and as long as his new team has an open mind and he continues to play how he can play, that team will have gotten an inexpensive top 4 defender.  This guy was good enough to take on top players during 11-12 and now he can't even get in the opening night lineup?  Bushwah.  The Devils' margin for success is thin, so not dressing the guy who might be your 3rd best defenseman is not really a step in the right direction.


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#1211059 Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?

Posted by Triumph on 22 September 2013 - 07:05 AM

Rock and Roll Part 2 was great until morons ruined it with the 'You suck!' chant. NHL Network showed the 2003 Cup Finals Game 7 recently and I was surprised to not hear anything after Hey! when Rupp scored. I know no song will compare but hopefully whatever they come up with can't have 'You suck!' easily appended to it.
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#1209964 [Official] Damien Brunner signed to multi-year deal

Posted by Triumph on 12 September 2013 - 11:07 PM

Yeah thats why their stats are so different right?..........................................and why josefson got sent to the ahl for scrubs like steve sullivan and matt diagistini to take up his roster spot....stop it. Josefson is not as solid as the people on this website try and make him out to be. Clocking out on this conversation now, I said I didnt want to get into a tedenby josefson pissing match but that didnt work.

 

Because Josefson can kill penalties, is a year younger, and has put up better offensive stats in professional hockey to date.  Teams would be lining up to claim a former 1st round pick 4 years from being drafted who puts up .66 points per game in the minors, plays center, and plays an effective two-way game.  Tedenby stinks at defense and his offense isn't good enough to carry that - unless he's improved remarkably he will not be an NHL player.


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#1207328 Are we about to become big time rivals with the Isles?

Posted by Triumph on 17 August 2013 - 11:00 AM

The Islanders will miss the playoffs this year and go back to being the Islanders. So no.

 

The Islanders may miss the playoffs this year - Nabokov is awful - but they are not going back to being the Islanders any time soon. 

 

That said, the rivalry will only begin if the Devils and Islanders meet in the playoffs or possibly if they are in a close playoff race with one another in multiple years.


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#1204842 Jagr Signs 1 Year Deal With Devils

Posted by Triumph on 22 July 2013 - 08:03 PM

Haha, this board (and I'm a culprit) is amazing at derails.  Long story short, I'm not buying that this would somehow sh!tcan a Jagr deal.  Elias's contract was similar, details started to leak out, then it got done.


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#1203992 Your thought on today / about the team so far ?

Posted by Triumph on 18 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

I mean, there's really not a dumber thing you could say then 'Kovalchuk leads in giveaways because he tries to do everything himself'.  Most giveaways are passes, which is why someone like Joe Thornton is always among the league leaders.  It's also an incredibly dumb stat.

 

Kovalchuk is -7 with the Devils at 5 on 5.  He is also not -41 with the Devils, might want to check your numbers there.  Goalies being hot garbage never helps.

 

#2 is also one of the dumber things you've ever written on here.


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#1203544 Kovy signs a 4 year deal, no money announced

Posted by Triumph on 15 July 2013 - 02:09 PM

Of course Cherry doesn't acknowledge that Kovalchuk was playing with a back injury throughout the entire playoffs.  Yeah, he was spent at that point, but he'd been playing for 6 weeks with what appeared to be a serious injury.


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#1203239 [Official] Damien Brunner signed to multi-year deal

Posted by Triumph on 14 July 2013 - 09:57 AM

If you guys want to start a fake rumor thread that's fine, I'll stay out of that thread for sure.  As long as fake rumors get posted in threads I read/post in, I'm going to say something.  


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#1203233 [Official] Damien Brunner signed to multi-year deal

Posted by Triumph on 14 July 2013 - 09:48 AM

do you think we believe this 100% when we post those? who cares ? its just rumoured numbers that we can discuss about, if those discussions are not high enough on your superior standard, well stay out of it thats all. Lot of us here just like to talk and discuss about those rumours. Not harming anyone and its entertaining. 

 

You're like that guy that you're watching action movies with and all movie long going "oh yeah, as if thats possible!"

 

We're here for entertainment dude. 

 

We've been over this.  I'd much rather hear what you think than what some idiot on Twitter making stuff up thinks.


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#1202994 [Official] Damien Brunner signed to multi-year deal

Posted by Triumph on 13 July 2013 - 08:16 AM

Seems like something got lost in translation, the Devils are actually pursuing Langen-brunner.  I kid, I kid.

 

I was gonna do a post this morning on the guys NJ could be looking at but truth be told Brunner should be #1 on their list.  I'm less than enthused about his territorial play (basically didn't push the puck forward himself, played with Datsyuk and Zetterberg), but as I've been saying, NJ doesn't really need a guy like that, they have a bunch of guys who seem to have done that plenty last season.


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#1202342 The "Now That We've Had Time To Digest This Thread"

Posted by Triumph on 11 July 2013 - 07:56 PM

The argument, and you won't like it and neither will anyone here, is that if the NHL were run the way it 'should' be, the way you're suggesting, the Devils wouldn't've had a chance to get Kovalchuk or sign him in the first place.  So it's a bit of a catch-22 - the only reason NJ could be that team is because of the salary cap and the way that revenues are shared in the NHL.  

 

I'm just glad of the 3 years I got to watch him and now no longer have to dread the next 6+ as his game continues to disintegrate.  No real hard feelings.


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#1202172 Kovalchuk Retired Effective Immediately?

Posted by Triumph on 11 July 2013 - 05:40 PM

This is the third time he's played this game, it has nothing to do with a lockout.    He's just a merc and he wanted his money.    Sometimes you gotta take things at face value, like his race to get 10-$90M and then having a hissy fit and threatening to go to SKA *then* when things caved in with that.

 

Maybe in the longview the Devils would have been best served to walk away then.

 

'He wanted his money' 

 

'It has nothing to do with a lockout'

 

These two things don't add up.


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