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Post here when someone from the 2014-15 Devils gets an NHL job

30 July 2015 - 11:29 AM

It's July 30th, and Dainius Zubrus's buyout was just completed.  That makes him the 14th 2014-15 Devil to be a UFA or have pending UFA status this the off-season, let's see how they are doing.


Well, Jaromir Jagr signed with the Panthers, Peter Harrold got a 2 way contract from the Blues, Joe Whitney a 2 way deal from the Islanders, and Scott Clemmensen retired from playing hockey.   The rest of NJ's UFAs are free agents.


These are the players who played for the Devils last year and are currently UFAs in the NHL (some of them have signed overseas already):













Regardless, this thread is for discussing these players and posting when one of these guys actually gets a gig somewhere else.  We know Sestito and Brunner won't play in the NHL next year, but I'll bet Fraser, Havlat, and Ryder don't either.  Zidlicky and Bernier are the only locks to play again IMO.  It's astounding how (so far) the NHL is rejecting the guys who played for this team.

Mikhail Grigorenko

10 June 2015 - 10:42 AM

Well, the dream of Brett Connolly on the Devils died when he was sent to Boston for 2 2nd round picks, but it's just as well - 2 2nd round picks is too much for NJ to spend on a guy with his track record.  The question is, is Mikhail Grigorenko an intriguing option for NJ?


He's in the same boat as Stefan Matteau was - he was called up too early and he can no longer return to the minors without passing through waivers, something which I don't think he will do.  Buffalo looks kinda like this for next year:


E. Kane-Eichel-B. Gionta

Ennis-S. Reinhart-?

Moulson-Girgensons-M. Foligno?

Who Cares


Now there's holes on Buffalo's RW and maybe that's where they will slot Grigorenko in, but there's probably no spot for him at center unless they use Eichel on the wing.


Here's the pros to Grigorenko:


Good numbers in the minors:  in 52 games, Grigorenko has 14 goals and 28 assists in the AHL.  Those are solid numbers and they don't look goosed by better teammates.

Can play center and right wing.

Possible excellent upside.

Jay Grossman is his agent and has dealt with the Devils plenty in recent years




Obviously, the Russian thing, but that's less of a factor with the decline of the ruble.  

There were rumors going around that Grigorenko is older than his stated birth age - well, that's a problem if it's true

There've been questions about his effort and defense


I'm not sure how willing Buffalo is to trade him but if NJ offered a 2nd and Gelinas or a 2nd and Matteau for a 3rd and Grigorenko, I think they'd at least have to listen.  I don't love offering Matteau in this theoretical trade but NJ already has 2 guys for his spot plus a bunch of guys in the minors who can theoretically fill that spot in the years to come.  It would be great if NJ could move S. Gionta instead of one of their young players as a sentimental throw-in but I don't think that's how a trade like this will work.


Anyway it may not work out because Buffalo seems to have an RW issue like NJ does and I don't see how trading him makes that better.

Ray Shero: Pros and Cons

07 May 2015 - 10:16 AM

Now that we've all settled in with the news, I thought it was time to examine Ray Shero's tenure as Pittsburgh GM from a broad perspective.


Pros:  Unafraid to make the big trade.


Shero made a huge splash to get Marian Hossa in 2008, figuring his team was ready to make a run, and weirdly he wasn't wrong.  Shero dealt Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito (Pittsburgh's 1st round pick in 2007) and their 1st round pick in 2008 for Hossa and Pascal Dupuis.  Had he managed to re-sign Hossa in Pittsburgh, that could've been a special team - Hossa's one of the best players in the league and a spectacularly underrated talent.  It shouldn't be lost that Pascal Dupuis has been a solid contributor in Pittsburgh for many years after that trade, and on a cheap contract (at least at first - Dupuis was resigned to a 3 year 4.2M deal and produced 47 goals over those 3 seasons.


Trading Jordan Staal away, while a move I'm not in love with, has prepared the Penguins for at least a decent future.


Pros:  Understands something about player value


Shero moved Ryan Whitney and Alex Goligoski for large returns - both Whitney and Goligoski were overvalued because of their point totals but neither is a top pairing defenseman.  He got great returns on each, especially Goligoski - Niskanen turned out to be as good as Goligoski and then there was James Neal.


Signing Petr Sykora and Miroslav Satan both were solid moves. 


Pros:  Has been successful in not allowing players to walk


Kris Letang was threatened with a trade and signed a contract to stay in Pittsburgh. Jordan Staal didn't and was traded.  Now that the Devils don't really have any valuable players besides Larsson who are close to UFA, it doesn't matter, but at least this will quiet one section of the fanbase.




Cons:  Doesn't understand goaltending


Signed Marc-Andre Fleury to a massive 6 year/30M deal after his run to the Cup Finals in 2008 - Fleury had had a good season and great playoff but up to that point had been an average goalie.  In fairness he did try to correct this by signing Tomas Vokoun but Vokoun had health issues.


Cons:  Has not had a significant contribution from a UDFA


This one's hard to pin on him, but the Penguins just haven't found a guy like this, and this has been the Devils' bread-and-butter for a very long time.  They found Mark Letestu and then treated him like found money, trading him to Columbus for a 4th round pick inexplicably.  Ben Lovejoy was also undrafted and became a 3rd pairing D there.  Deryk Engelland was drafted but went unsigned by the Devils, and Pittsburgh eventually found a role for him. 


Cons:  Was unable to beef up Penguins bottom six


In 2009, the Penguins claimed Craig Adams off waivers from Chicago.  I wouldn't be surprised if Craig Adams is the longest-tenured player in the NHL with one team who acquired him via waivers - SOMEHOW he was still a Pittsburgh Penguin 6 years later.  Not even counting this season, Craig Adams ranked last in points/60 among forwards with 3000 minutes over that time.  Second to him was Tanner Glass, someone who also spent considerable time in Pittsburgh.  His territorial play is slightly better than that, but it's still not great.  Brandon Sutter has also been pretty awful as a 3rd line center, something that often gets glossed over.  Regardless, this is a huge issue for the Devils because they have bottom six issues and lots of young players who could maybe fill in on bottom 6 roles, and they're simply not going to have an above-average top 6 forwards probably ever unless they totally collapse this season.


Cons:  Overvalues stay at home D men


Deryk Engelland, Douglas Murray, Hal Gill, Zbynek Michalek, Brooks Orpik, Rob Scuderi.  This is a problem with the rest of the NHL, but trading 2 2nd round picks for Doug Murray even in a wildly overvalued trade market is a terrible trade.  I'm becoming more convinced that most of these guys just cannot have a role for you at all - with how little penalties are being called these days, their role on the PK is diminishing, and they just destroy offense 5 on 5.  I fully expect the Devils to end up with a bag of sh!t like Tim Gleason next season.


Cons:  Traded away lots of draft picks


The Penguins didn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds in 2008.  They didn't have a 2nd round pick in 2010 or 2014.  They also didn't have a 1st in 2013.  They had 2 1sts in 2012 but they sure weren't able to give their organization a shot to draft a lot of talent.  In fairness, Shero basically started from scratch in 2006 - yes he had Crosby and Malkin but the Penguins had almost no players in their prime or close and so it's tough to have excess talent in that situation, talent that can be dealt for draft picks.  


Cons:  Drafts focused almost exclusively in North America


I've said before that I don't like evaluating general managers based on drafts, but in the drafts overseen by Shero - 2006 to 2013 - the Penguins drafted 5 players who were playing outside North America at the time.  It's really hard to beat the market on junior hockey players, and so I don't like that kind of organizational blindness.