Devils731

There's still something seriously wrong with this team, we fold at any adversity.

The exact opposite has been said when the Devils have come back from down 2-0 on the road twice this season.

Yes, it seems like Murphy is reading the rules improperly.  Murphy applies the spin-o-rama rule to a non spin-o-rama play.

@ Murphy saying that slow motion shouldn't be used because that's an unfair analysis.  So he is saying that it is better to get the call wrong than to use slow motion, which is a ridiculous position for an instant replay judge.

Just crazy that an NHL official has an official explanation that bears no relation to the rule as written.

Tedenby didn't have the 2 front teeth to cushion the blow this time.

Am I the only one annoyed that this thread about something real that is positive is being turned into a personal complain fest?

let me open this can of worms...marty if a 1st rd is offered

If Marty wanted to go, I would trade him for a 3rd rounder, at least logically.   This gets into the whole "don't pay for goaltending" philosophy that I believe should exist now.

I don't think anybody really wants Marty though, and not for any significant return.

I know nobody cares, but I still get enjoyment from this thread:

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In addition, LW Aaron Voros has been placed on waivers and would clear at 9 a.m. (PT) tomorrow morning.

I like the "10 ways to spot a counterfeit" which basically boiled down to "If it doesn't look right then it's not"

I put fake jerseys right up there with referee consistency and salary cap planning as important NHL issues.

Semi-Devils related.  It's interesting Paul Martin is only on pace for 30 points.  I know a lot of people thought he would explode for points in Pittsburgh, but like Gomez, the Devils don't seem to have been holding him back.

My point is that there is no reason to examine the goaltending. None. Honestly, why are they even a factor anymore? Whether it's Moose, Brodeur, McKenna, it doesn't matter. These guys are not getting anywhere near the support that they need to be successful. They basically have zero room for error. How many other goalies in this league operate under those types of circumstances? If the team were scoring at an NHL level and poor goaltending was losing us games, then yeah, judge all you want. I just don't understand how there is even a thought about the position when EVERYTHING else, save the recent special teams, is wrong with the team.

So then you're saying it is ok to complain about other parts of the team because they're poor but not the goaltending, which has also been poor?  

Hedberg is playing to about his career norms behind this team, Marty is playing way below his career norms.  Every player is accountable when they're playing poorly, you don't get let off the hook just because other players are playing poorly too.  It's not the defenses or offenses fault the number of behind the goal line goals and unscreened wrist shots from beyond the circles that are going in this season.

It's a whole cycle, and who knows where it starts, but the offense can't trust the defense, the defense can't trust the goalie, the goalie can't trust anyone, so they all play like nervous crap worrying about covering up for other people's mistakes rather than making sure their own play is up to snuff.

Thank you. I just don't understand this talk that Brodeur is allowing all these soft goals. And for arguments sake, let us say that he is. What difference does this make? This team is dead last in scoring and by a wide margin. And they can't defend for sh!t. Ok, maybe we'll lose 3 to 1 instead of 4 -1 or 5 -1. And this changes things how exactly? This team would not be any better with anyone else in net. They're not good enough and are not playing well enough to compete. End of story.

The team being crappy offensively has nothing to do with examining how the goaltending is doing.  In that regard let us just excuse all the crappy offense and defense because of the crappy goaltending?

no they're not.   we have no offense and we have no defense.   one makes the other guy look better and the other makes ours worse.

How many goals have been scored against the Devils from behind the goal line in just the last handful of games?  More than most teams will allow all season, I would guess.  How many unscreened shots from far out are going in the net?  How few really tough saves are being made?

There is a reason so many games end with chances about even between the 2 teams and the Devils lose by 4, the Devils goalies aren't making enough big saves and allowing too many mediocre ones and other teams goalies are making a lot of big saves and not allowing many crappy ones.

Sure, the defense isn't playing well and it's allowing a lot of goals that the goalies have no chance of stopping, but the goalies are also letting in way too many goals that should be routine saves as well.  A good NHL goalie should make a bunch of big saves and rarely allow a weak goal, right now the Devils goalies are probably doing ok in making big saves, but not doing well in not allowing the weak goals.

the reason we are not embarrassed night in and night out is brodeur, he makes some pretty great saves that stop additional 4-5 goals any other goalie would have given up behind this defense.

Really? I feel this year that Marty routinely let's in a goal or two most goalies would stop and fails to make many tough stops.  

The Devils are getting massively outplayed goaltending wise this season compared to their opponents.

Please, go be on the Rangers Shanny.

You need to edit the post and not include the full article.  The sites been asked to do that.  Snippets of articles are ok.

Also, this article reinforces that Lemaire was a good choice if Brooks is so sure it's bad.

Thanks for the heads up - is it alright now?

Well there are no hard of fast rules so I can't say what DM is comfortable with.  I would normally keep it to just 1 paragraph or a few key sentences.  Basically the newspaper don't want there to be so much info posted that people feel like they don't have to clink the link to go to the news site and give it a hit.