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Lateralous

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In Topic: The Devils are bad and it's time to tank

24 November 2014 - 09:52 AM

One of the moves the devils should make is trade Ryder. We are not going to resign him so might as well get something. I don't think the devils would play any different with out him


Zidlicky as well given that Gelinas seems to be growing into that role. A 2nd for Zidlicky and a 3rd for Ryder at the deadline would be a good haul.

In Topic: The Devils are bad and it's time to tank

24 November 2014 - 09:49 AM

I don't think it's about "tanking" really. It's about making sure to go forward. We simply can't lose any assets anymore, we've already lost too much. 
 
I mean it's pretty damn common sense to me, we are NOT gonna win the cup with this team. We're a super old team with no top prospects coming our way... Well what do you think is gonna happen if we simply let our guys walk into the sunset or walk to another team?
 
We've missed the playoffs 2 years straight doing OUR BEST to make it...  fair to say our gambles didnt pay off at all. 
 
We "might" not make it if we try to trade for assets, but we might very well get the same damn results not doing it... and the other way around... there's no positive keeping them, again, we're not winning the cup, whats the point?
 
You get the assets you can and you get wtv pick you deserve at the end of it. wont be McDavid but it's gonna be a good player.
 
Then it's giving us more cap room to try to get players in free agency too cause its pretty clear were gonna have to pick in free agency for awhile again


I don't disagree that Lou should have more of an eye to the future, especially if we're several points out in February. Moves like trading for redundant pieces like Ruutu at the deadline when we could be pawning off a vet drives me nuts as well. What I'm taking issue with is the premise of the thread saying we should give up now and tank. Even if they Devils landed one of McDavid or Eichel, they still need to find 3-4 more good young forwards which is really where we find ourselves right now anyway. If you believe that our only chance to land top offensive talent is by tanking and getting the surefire top pick, that's more an indictment of our current scouting and development group. If that's the case, we'll need to stay at the bottom for 3 to 4 years to get all the top 6 forwards we need.

My point is, that as poorly constructed as this team is, the road back to being legitimate contender in the east is not as far off or hopeless as some make it seem. The goalie is in place, I don't think there is an NHL team out there with a more promising group of defenseman under 23, so we're back to needing to find those 3-4 young skill forwards. It's a deep draft so a good start would be finally hitting on a scorer in the 8-13 range (where I think we're headed) in a deep draft. Every years there's a guy like Nichuskin, F Forsberg, Tarasenko, Couture, Boedker or Jaden Schwartz available around there. How much better would things looks if we hit on two of those level guys in the next two drafts? I'm not sure the people we have in place in scouting and development are necessarily the ones who can pull that off but then you find people who can, not tear everything down and go full rebuild.

In Topic: The Devils are bad and it's time to tank

23 November 2014 - 04:53 PM

For anyone suggesting a full tank:

1. What do you think our roster needs to look like by Christmas to get us in a position to be worse than Edmonton, Buffalo and Florida? Are any of Greene, Schneider and henrique retained in this hypothetical? Do they even want to stay in the primes of their career if we decide to go into a rebuild?

2. If the devils decide to do a fire sale early enough in the season to get in position to tank, what teams do you think would both be willing to pay full price for our assets and have the cap room to fit them in this early in the season? Are you willing to get $.70 on the dollar in trades in early December just to get them done and in position to tank?

3. Even if the Devils somehow got McDavid, given that the roster would need to be stripped to get him, do you think the Devils are closer to competing than if they just keep Schneider, Greene and henrique with the young defensive core and try to build from there? In addition, what assets do you propose to use to find Schneiders replacement?

4. If the Devils tank but miss out on McDavid and Eichel, what is plan B?

In Topic: Is Phil Kessel the answer?

21 November 2014 - 03:00 PM

I realize Kessel is more dynamic than anyone we currently have but he's also at the age that forwards numbers usually begin to start tapering off. I wouldn't want to be on the hook for 8 million per for that. Also, to me he seems like a guy whose game might slip if he wasn't under the watchful eye of the Toronto media and fan base. He kind of plays with a chip on his shoulder for the Leafs. I guess your opinion on this depends on if you think would he better or worse in a less intense situation.

In Topic: The Devils are bad and it's time to tank

21 November 2014 - 02:44 PM

"Half way through a rebuild" - in what sense have we even started a rebuild?  We've started to incorporate some young players on defense.  That's literally all we've done.
 
The cupboard is empty on forward prospects.  There's literally not a single guaranteed top-6 player in our system right now (say what you will about Boucher, but he hasn't shown much at the NHL level yet).  To the bolded - how would you suggest we go about doing that if not through the draft (via a full on rebuild)?


How is it not? We used the 9th overall pick to replace Brodeur with a younger goalie getting ready to enter his prime. Presumably at the start of next year we will have slowly but fully transitioned away from Tallender, Volch, Sal and Zidlicky to Merrill, Gelinas, Larsson and Severson on D. Up front Henrique is assuming a larger role and we at least have a few guys like Matteau, Boucher and Quenville who project to play 2nd and 3rd line roles. Yes, we are half way through a rebuild, not sure that's even debatable.

As to the second part, the idea that good forwards only come from the absolute top of the draft is silly. I referenced the Stars because they just rebuilt their offense by landing Seguin in trade for a guy they drafted in the 2nd round and developed, they picked Jamie Benn in the 5th, got Spezza in a trade for essentially two 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th and Val Nichushkin with the 13th overall. Yes, we absolutely have to draft better with respect to forwards, I'm not arguing that. It doesn't mean we have to go full tank which was the title of the thread.