Understood regarding Lou, It is sad how he is so confused.
He's not confused. If he was confused, Marty would be here right now. However, I think in a situation where Cory goes down long term, Lou would go for the guy who he knows instead of what else is out there. Currently, what else is out there consists of Thomas, Bryzgalov, Khabibulin, and Vokoun.
If Lemieux had a different last name, I don't think anyone here would have really given much of a damn about him. Having his fathers name draws attention to him when he otherwise may have just been lost in the shuffle
People just seems to want to find excuses to feel better about the team. Like a guy who got dump by his gf, then she was gonna get fat in a few years, he deserved better, etc etc etc. Thats what a bunch of people looks like now, a bunch of butthurt guys bashing guys cause they left. Im pissed at both of those guys too, but im not gonna be an hypocrite trying to convince myself that they we're useless
Another relationship analogy. Who hurt you, SD?
You're like the guy who's pining over some girl that left him and can't bear to hear his buddies make fun of her.
I'm sorry, but most of us don't want to sit around slitting our wrists and saying "man I really miss Zach and Kovy" all day. Nobody says they don't want Zach. They said they don't want Zach for 13 years. Big difference.
This team has been put together a certain way from the goal out with defensively responsible forwards for 25 years. It very rarely has flashy forwards. Why would you pick a team that so clearly is against your preferred style of hockey?
Alright, but there is a difference between understanding the idea of bandwagons (yes, "how the world works", or "how sports work"), and just saying I hate how I now will have to deal with so many more Rangers fans than before. But, the idea that people who are getting Rangers fever are "pathetic" or "losers" or the worst people on earth, that I disagree with, regardless if anyone has to deal with them or not.
I'm so sorry that a few people talking Rangers hockey outside your office was so awful, I guess. As I have said, there is a difference in saying, "fvck now everyone I am around is talking Rangers, hockey" and giving sh!t to people because they don't deserve to be talking Rangers hockey or being happy.
I understand the idea of bandwagon. Hockey doesn't get mentioned in this area unless the Rangers are winning. I didn't give anyone sh!t. I said none of them knew a hockey stick from a croquet mallet last week, and now they are "lifetime Ranger fans." You'll notice that everyone else in this thread from NY/NJ understands the dynamic.
Sounds like general water cooler talk. We are guilty of it in other things (since we are all clearly sports fans, it won't be guilty with sports). Try and brush up on something you aren't really familiar with and talk about it.
I know you are dealing with this in NY/NJ, but this is just how the world works. I follow tennis year-round from the lower levels to the main tour. The average tennis fans just watches the Grand Slam if someone from their country is in it. In Canada, we now have a great male and a great women's player for the first time ever. People take notice 4 times a year if they go far. I've been watching these two rise up for 4-5 years and for me seeing someone I want to win would be the ultimate. For others, it would be incredible too, but I know it mean less. It is what it is and if it grows tennis in the country, so be it.
It's a shame, for whatever reason, when the Devils have had their Cup runs, it didn't take over major cities and the state. It's the way it is with their being Flyers territory and a Rangers fans in big pockets. The bandwagon wasn't as strong, but I am pretty sure everyone would love it if everywhere you went it was Devils pride all the time, even if it just started at that moment from people who weren't always interested in Devils hockey.
Thanks for the lesson on "how the world works." This is a Devils forum, and Devils fans who live in the NY/NJ area are discussing the incoming bandwagon of brand new Ranger fans who can name Lundqvist and 3 players from 20 years ago. We are going to be dealing with these fakes for years to come, and some of us just want to share our frustration with each other.
Totally unfair. Unless you are saying Brodeur is not a great one. I can't think of one series where Brodeur ever found a way to win a series by himself or was the big difference for an underdog Devils playoff team.
Hate the Rangers. Hate Lundqvist, but let's not bring him down unfairly.
The last 3 games of the 2000 ECF through the end of the finals that year. Brodeur was an absolute beast during that stretch.
Seeing the Devils not make the playoffs for a second straight season is hard on people too, and that is going to manifest itself in many ways.
But Marty just seems to think he's entitled to play regardless of how good he is. The other guy was better than him. A lot better. One guy was 18th in save%, the other one is 43rd. What does Marty think...that PDB screwed him somehow? That the coach shouldn't try to go with the guy who's playing better? The ironic thing is, Marty seems to think he somehow should've gotten MORE playing time when he got way more than he ever really deserved. He says it was hard for him, and I'm sure it was simply because of what he once was and no longer is (or ever will be again). I can only imagine what it must have been like for Cory, who to his credit says all of the right things, but had to watch a guy get legacy starts at his expense, when he fully knows deep down inside he gives his team the better chance to win games.
At this point, Marty is a falling star trying to say anything to save face, whether it's for his own mental self preservation or for someone dumb enough to sign him this summer. I don't agree with what he says, but I also think he's not in his right mind when he's saying it. He's reeling because this wasn't how it was supposed to end. He was supposed to retire the triumphant hero, and now he's facing the reality of fading away.
If I can use one of SterioDesign's relationship analogies, it's like someone getting dumped who wasn't expecting it. They say a lot of things out of fear and jealousy. In Marty's mind, he would be just as good as he was if only he got another chance, and he doesn't realize Deboer gave him way more chances than he deserved this season. For some reason, he still thinks there's a couple of drops in the tank. These last 2 years sucked. I think he will be forgiven once some time has gone by, similar to the Niedermayer situation.