The problem is is that we were one of the unluckiest teams in the league last year too if I recall correctly. Eventually we might have to come up with some explanation as to why the planes aren't landing.
No Cory's going to walk because A) he doesn't owe us anything, and B) we're not going to find out enough about him to offer him a big-money deal this offseason (i.e. how he handles 55+ games and a stretch run) trying to placate Marty. Especially if placating Marty extends into next year and we go through this circus AGAIN.
It's not about wanting MB30 to retire, it's about wanting him to shut the **** up already. This constant drama every week is getting Favre-esque. He wants to leave, he wants to play more, he keeps going to Lou to reassess everything, he's mad he didn't get traded...it's just unseemly. You can respect the guy for the 20+ years he gave us and still take him to task for diva behavior and call him out for not playing well when he does ***** about playing time.
Oy vey. Cory will be signed this summer or traded. I think Lou will or probably has already offered him Rask money. You do not make that trade if you are not going to offer him what it takes to stay, or if you think Marty is a long term solution, which everyone including Lou knew when he made the trade in the first place.
And anyone that brings up Zach in response should be banned. For the last time, the new CBA is designed to give teams with impending UFAs predictability as to whether they can expect to sign a player to a new deal. It's the reason why every impending coveted UFA that could expect to get some kind of long term deal with the exception of Statsny was traded before the deadline. You look at the return that Buffalo got for Miller. We would expect to get more for Schneider.
Whatever you think of Lou, the trade deadline, the Ruutu trade, or anything else...the fact that he referenced 2009 when discussing Ruutu (his last good year) and the reasons for bringing him...is not only strange, not only concerning, but more like 'code red Lou might have lost it' bad.
It's 2014. He has two more years left on his deal. This is fvcking insane.
It used to be cute when Lou brought in ex-Devil after ex-Devil back, no matter how many years in between. But it has become quite clear that Lou knows very little and trusts very few people to help him scout at the NHL level.
I think some people need to calm down and have a little bit of perspective.
The years and the salary are not the end of the world. Even without knowing how much salary Carolina is picking up, this is not going to be a cap team, and with some maneuvering, you can probably still afford a big ticket free agent like Statsny even if that would have been in the cards in the first place, which is a huge assumption to make.
And he's not an immovable object. At the trade deadline next year, he has one more year when the cap the following year maybe be as high as $75 million, and you could further dice up his salary if need be. He might even be of use to a cap floor team.
Before you blow your lid on Lou referencing 2009, I suggest you read the entirety of what he said. He said that Ruutu is a top 9 forward, i.e. third line forward. He mentioned his 26 goal season in the context of saying that he believes there's some kind of offensive upside, especially in light of the fact that he had a good Olympics (which Lou also mentioned) and that he's not young, but he isn't ancient either. In other words, the Devils wanted another big nasty guy to play on the third line, but we might be pleasantly surprised with his offense. So this isn't like Lou making a trade for Dany Heatley last season and saying he's excited because he was formerly a 50 goal scorer.
We'll know this offseason whether Lou is really living in the past, if he hasn't completely lost his marbles. If he gives Marty an extension, even at the league minimum, it'll be a really bad sign. Same if he does nothing to alleviate the defensive logjam, if he extends Bernier, Gionta or Carter for longer than one year, if he does something really stupid with the young defensemen, or if he decides to play hard ball with Schneider. At this point though, I think it's unfair to assume that he'll do any of that, and the smart money says that he actually won't.
I'll say it again, my dark horse trade deadline candidate is Salvador. He's got that leadership quality that some GMs find attractive at the trade deadline, he doesn't have an NTC and his contract really isn't that bad (one more year for basically what an average non-ELC defenseman makes). I think Lou's confident that Harrold can step in to the bottom pairing. I guess it's really dependent on how confident Lou is that Larsson is ready to be a full-time NHLer again, or Gelinas for that matter. Assuming that Volchenkov will be in and out of the line-up with various bumps and bruises, here's what a non-Salvador defense corps might look like.
I'm not familiar with the defense corps of a lot of potential trade partners, so it's hard for me to say where he would end up. I suppose you could trade him for Parenteau. Colorado would probably want to dump his salary and his production is set to decline anyway. I really never liked him, but he's supposed to be good in shoot-outs.
Trading one of the young defenseman doesn't make a lot of sense. Would be one thing if we're a guaranteed playoff team like 2009-2010, but obviously not the case right now. I don't see younger players that will be under a team's control available (like Kane). People brought up the idea of a sign/trade for Statsny. Usually word gets out that a team has given permission for one of its UFAs to be to talk to other teams -- like Callahan -- but haven't heard any news like that on Statsny.
More and more people are begging for it. Me, I'm not quite there yet. He's done a lot with a team that can't score goals. He was not as sentimental with Marty as a lot of people expected.
There's the player development issue, but I think it's a little overblown myself. He played Henrique consistently as a rookie, and Larsson as well until he got hurt. And when Larsson came back he was dreadful for certain stretches.
If you think the young guys not getting playing time is a huge issue, you have to blame Lou. Fact is, DeBoer is there to put the best lineup on the ice on a particular night. And for all you Gionta haters, he's simply been better than Josefson and Loktionov. And even if not, it's not the difference between winning and losing games. And neither of those guys would have been spectacular but for DeBoer ruining their confidence. It's Lou that put Larsson in the minors, and keeps Harrold on the roster, and decided to give Salvador the captaincy and a three year deal. It's Lou that decides to give Zidlicky another year. You can hardly blame DeBoer for not scratching Salvador or Zidlicky or whoever you don't like so Larsson can play regularly.
I know feisty posted that quote on his twitter account from Kulikov about DeBoer scaring rookies. Well, the Panthers still kind of stink, and Kulikov is part of that stinkiness. So maybe he wasn't that great to start with. It happens, although than you get to the chicken and the egg problem.
And that's probably not even true. He keeps his answers short with no substance, it's obviously a sign that he's disgruntled and secretly plotting with Jeff Gilooly and Tanya Harding to have Cory's knee bashed in in the parking lot after practice.
Eh, the people who criticize this are in The Cult of the New.
The Cult Of The New have a few basic precepts:
A: Young players are always better than old players
B: Everyone's a prospect until they aren't
C: Everyone who was once a top pick continues to be an intriguing NHL player until he turns about 32. (exceptions: players who actually get NHL ice time)
Urbom was a nice prospect but it didn't come together for him and it's not coming together for him in Washington, either. He'll probably bounce around the league for a while and maybe things come together for him and he becomes a 20 minute a game defender, but it doesn't look likely at this juncture.
I would add another one: All other teams would be extremely interested in parting with something of value (maybe even significant value) for any of our prospects that were rated above a 7.5C by Hockey's Future if only Lou weren't so stubborn.
Nothing... On paper, maybe their team 2 years ago was better than ours, it might have been the deepest Rangers team in a decade or two. But Sather traded half that team away.
This year's Rangers are NOT a good team, by any stretch of the imagination. When you look at the losses they've compiled, they let in 3-4 goals, they've lost 9-2, they've lost 7-0, they just lost 4-1 yesterday. They're the most inconsistent team in the league and I think they're due for a bad run soon.
If I had to pick one, I'd rather be in the situation the Devils are in, where we're keeping games extremely tight, losing games in the shootout, losing games by 1 goal at worst. 9 times out of 10, DeBoer has been able to keep the compete level extremely high, outside of a few games here and there. We're beating teams like the Penguins, the Bruins, the Ducks, Kings; we're winning in adverse conditions, winning in OT situations, and would be in a much better position right now if we didn't have 3 of the most unlucky weeks to start the season off. Let's face it, we were unlucky; the level of play was there game-in and game-out and we'd be in 2nd place in our division with one or two more positive results during that month or two of bad luck.
The Devils and the Rangers are pretty even I would say. The Rangers were playing without Nash for a couple of weeks, remember.
The Rangers will always go as far as their goaltending will take them. Lunqvist has had a fairly down year so far, but you would expect him to reverse things if he isn't starting to already. I think the Devils and Rangers will be neck and neck until the end of the season.
Sure it does. The Red Wings won a Stanley Cup with Chris Osgood in 2008. Any goalie can get hot.
It has been an albatross insofar as the Devils have seen themselves unwilling to get anyone who could even think of challenging Brodeur's starting. It definitely did not help the Devils last year - sure the team couldn't score, but the goalies could not stop anything. They played Johan Hedberg for 10 straight games with a save percentage well under 90%.
I agree. But he didn't come up with one. Not even a flyer on a guy who's been real good in the AHL or overseas. They signed a guy out of college. That's about it. And drafting either Vasilevski or Subban wouldn't've helped at all with this season or probably next season.
You could hope for the team to not go with horrendous goaltending for 3 years. The Devils are extremely lucky to have come out of those 3 seasons with what they did, given the goaltending.
Now you're starting to sound like SD with the speculation/other teams hit the jackpot, so why couldn't we. Maybe they could have found some goalie, that maybe could have been better. Or better yet, just go find a diamond in the rough in the seventh round of the draft like Lunqvist. Or even better, Lou should have just traded Parise for Schneider three years ago since Parise was going to leave anyway. Until you suggest a specific alternative that was reasonably plausible, this just sounds like another gratuitous let's sh!t on Marty opportunity.
Otherwise, the implication is that good goaltending is overrated, since any goalie can get lucky. Hey, the Wings won the Cup with a bad goalie, and the Devils had a great year with someone who was evidently the worst goalies in the league.
The bottom line, the goaltending over the past three years has not been a calamity, and now, it could very well once again be a strong point. It's very hard to complain about that.
Completely disagree. Tortorella was the exact opposite of DeBoer in this regard.
Tortorella gave a shot to a young McDonaugh. Kid took the opportunity, and played his heart out for his coach. Similarly, young guys like Stepan, Hagelin, John Moore last year, and even Del Zotto a few years ago, were treated by Tortorella like men, not kids, and honestly looked like some of the Rangers' best players on any given night (aside from MDZ past couple years). He gave them responsibility and held them to the same standard of accountability that he held older guys like Gaborik (at the time) , Dubinsky (at the time), and Richards.
I don't think DeBoer should do what Tortorella did, I mean, we see how that ended. But a middle ground of letting the kids wear the man pants and treated with respect, while not being afraid to sit a veteran, somewhere along that middle point is what DeBoer should be working towards. This seniority bullsh!t isn't working. There's only so far a veteran presence can take a team.
DeBoer is more or less responsible for Adam Henrique, a third round pick that virtually all prospect evaluators felt was a borderline NHLer, being $24 million richer. So it's clear that DeBoer does not have anything against younger players.
Stepan and McDonough earned being "treated like men" through being excellent or arguably elite players. Even the types that are most optimistic about Josefson and Loktionov can't think they'll be close to how good Stepan is. And even though Larsson has the pedigree to be at the level of a McDonough, the fact remains that Larsson has not performed nearly as well as McDonough did the moment he got traded to the Rags, and by all accounts, will never be as good. In fact, Larsson is already looking like he'll turn out to be significantly worse than two defenseman from his draft class, Hamilton and Brodin, if he isn't already. As I've said, at some point, Larsson has to take off the diapers and deserve not to be benched. He's been given plenty of opportunities thus far, with little to show for it. Being a high draft pick only gets you so far.