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#1215416 The Pete Deboer Thread

Posted by Daniel on 10 October 2013 - 01:45 PM

Completely disagree. Tortorella was the exact opposite of DeBoer in this regard.


Tortorella gave a shot to a young McDonaugh. Kid took the opportunity, and played his heart out for his coach. Similarly, young guys like Stepan, Hagelin, John Moore last year, and even Del Zotto a few years ago, were treated by Tortorella like men, not kids, and honestly looked like some of the Rangers' best players on any given night (aside from MDZ past couple years). He gave them responsibility and held them to the same standard of accountability that he held older guys like Gaborik (at the time) , Dubinsky (at the time), and Richards.


I don't think DeBoer should do what Tortorella did, I mean, we see how that ended. But a middle ground of letting the kids wear the man pants and treated with respect, while not being afraid to sit a veteran, somewhere along that middle point is what DeBoer should be working towards. This seniority bullsh!t isn't working. There's only so far a veteran presence can take a team.


DeBoer is more or less responsible for Adam Henrique, a third round pick that virtually all prospect evaluators felt was a borderline NHLer, being $24 million richer.  So it's clear that DeBoer does not have anything against younger players. 


Stepan and McDonough earned being "treated like men" through being excellent or arguably elite players.  Even the types that are most optimistic about Josefson and Loktionov can't think they'll be close to how good Stepan is.  And even though Larsson has the pedigree to be at the level of a McDonough, the fact remains that Larsson has not performed nearly as well as McDonough did the moment he got traded to the Rags, and by all accounts, will never be as good.  In fact, Larsson is already looking like he'll turn out to be significantly worse than two defenseman from his draft class, Hamilton and Brodin, if he isn't already.  As I've said, at some point, Larsson has to take off the diapers and deserve not to be benched.  He's been given plenty of opportunities thus far, with little to show for it.  Being a high draft pick only gets you so far.

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#1215220 Thomas Hertl 4 goals against the Rags

Posted by Daniel on 09 October 2013 - 12:15 PM

How come the Devils can never find these prospects?


Because they're usually gone before the Devils have a chance to draft them.

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#1215217 Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?

Posted by Daniel on 09 October 2013 - 12:11 PM

3) It was more like 15,500 of the 16,500 that were vociferously booing the other night.


It wasn't even close to that.  All it takes is a few thousand people to do anything in unison for it to be really noticeable. 


To say my peace, I've been going to games longer than 99 percent of the people that did the You Suck chant.  I can guarantee all of you, it only became a "tradition" when you decided to make it one.  The proof of this is available for all to see on any youtube clip of any home game going back to 2006.  The you suck types stubbornly refuse to acknowledge this.


It didn't offend me, I wasn't concerned about the delicate sensibilities of the children, and I didn't complain to management.  It was just stupid, immature, and for the most part, out of place.


It's too bad, because RR2 itself was an actual tradition, and a good one at that.  The you suck people did not stop me from going to games, but it certainly made the high points of the game less enjoyable.   


Hopefully, going forward, the people that are still butt hurt over the song can live with it, the same as the rest of us who put up with the you suck chant did for several years. 

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#1213925 Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?

Posted by Daniel on 05 October 2013 - 07:12 PM

Again, it has nothing to do with profanity or obscenity. I think at this point, if you need to ask, you'll never know. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Oh so it has to do with being down a few goals right? Ok so as said NUMEROUS TIMES chanting "This Is Our House" being down 4-2 provides the same result with an annoyed crowd.

Or does it have to do with the fact that a select few are "embarrassed". Well sorry yelling at hockey games is embarrassing to you.

It's embarrassing the same way that a John Sterling canned homerun call is embarrassing. Both the you suck chanters and Sterling are trying to be clever, when in actuality they're just being infantile and insecure.

It's just as stupid as dumb Ranger fans with the Potvin sucks chant. Basically Ranger fans are willingly reliving a time when the Isles were eating their lunch, just so they can think everyone else in the world thinks they're clever and have "traditions".

That Devils fans mimic it with random Ranger suck Flyers swallow chants is even worse. The Rangers suck so much, that some Devils fans try to copy everything their idiotic fans do.

Don't get me wrong there is always a time and a place for trying to get under the visiting team's skin and mocking them. It has absolutely no effect though when it's done just as a matter of course.
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#1211811 Fantastic News! Devils predicted to finish near the bottom

Posted by Daniel on 25 September 2013 - 06:42 PM

All right, everybody. We got 10 minutes to game time. Let's all gather round. I'm not much for giving inspirational addresses, but I'd just like to point out that every newspaper in the country has picked us to finish last. The local press seems to think we'd save everyone a lot of time and trouble if we just went out and shot ourselves. Me? I'm for wasting sportswriters' time. So, I'd like to hang around and see if we can give 'em all a nice big sh!t burger to eat.
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#1211127 Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?

Posted by Daniel on 22 September 2013 - 05:02 PM

I just hate the you suck people because they ruined a classic. Worse than colorization or Greedo shooting first.

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#1209890 Jagr sounds like hes coming to play!

Posted by Daniel on 12 September 2013 - 11:49 AM

According to TG, Jagr did 2 rushes with Elias and Zajac today and then left the ice to go to locker room and has not come out.  Now it looks like he might be done for the day.




Hopefully, it's only something like this that's the problem...


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#1209534 2013 Jets Thread

Posted by Daniel on 09 September 2013 - 09:42 AM

'7' -- The Bucs O-Line is not good.  In the preseason game, the Dolphins D-Line pushed them all over the place.  It's why I would have been hesitant to draft Doug Martin.


Bottom line, I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Jets fan, at least not yet.  If Geno is productve against the Pats you might have something. 

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#1208186 Henrique re-signed. 6 years, 24 million.

Posted by Daniel on 26 August 2013 - 03:33 PM

It's the fact that you worded it as if you were mad that he's not living up to a contract he's not playing under. Everyone agrees that Zajac had a sub par year last year, but that year was not played under his new deal, thus making it impossible for him to have not lived up to our expectations for that contract.

It's like saying a movie sucked before you're done seeing the previews.


It's more like saying the sequel is going to suck because part 1 wasn't very good.

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#1208090 Over or Under Game

Posted by Daniel on 26 August 2013 - 10:36 AM



Number of dramaful forum fights this year:  6


Way, way over. 


Larsson 74.5 games played.

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#1207667 Your thought on today / about the team so far ?

Posted by Daniel on 22 August 2013 - 07:28 AM

It has happened more than once. Take two pills. Chill Out

Coming from the guy who makes it his mission to get under people's skin...

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#1207521 Under Eugene Melnyk, Senators have lost $94 million

Posted by Daniel on 20 August 2013 - 08:07 AM

According to Forbes: http://www.forbes.co...-with-big-loss/

Although Vanderbeek is getting $2 million from the incoming owners to “walk away,” the team lost around $90 million during the nine years he was the controlling owner. Debt, lack of an NBA team in the arena, and only one trip past the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs combined to push Vanderbeek too far into the red to get out.

Considering how consistently wrong Forbes has been when it comes to the Devils, I don't think you can trust them for much else.
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#1206880 2013-14 Prospect Thread

Posted by Daniel on 12 August 2013 - 03:45 PM

I know Bell is old for the CHL but I was surprised at his stats. 93 points in 69 games is pretty impressive. Then again it seems like a lot of older guys (Bell, Colin Smith) do well but are taken late in the draft. I hope we sign him to an ELC...he already has played 5 years in the WHL.


Atleast most of the few forward prospects specialize in scoring (Bell, Boucher, Gavrus).


I've also been hoping Lou would flip a D prospect for an equal prospect but at forward with a team skimpy in the D pipeline but beefed up up front. Something I would really want Lou to pursue. Merril, Urbom, and Gelinas are knocking on the door and Severson and Santini are not to far behind. I'm worried that most of these guys aren't even going to be given a chance unless the main squad bombs out early and it makes sense to play more than 1 of them. With the good reports about Santini and Severson I wouldn't mind moving Urbom if he doesn't beat out Gelinas/Merril out of camp.


Urbom probably has the least value of any of the Devils' prospects that are at least plauisble future NHLers.  So I wouldn't expect to get too much in return.  Maybe some kind of deadline acquisition for a pretty good NHLer like when the Devils acquired Salvador for virtually nothing. 

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#1195873 Summer 2013 UFA/RFA Thread

Posted by Daniel on 18 June 2013 - 07:21 PM

Yeah, but they're trading for a pretty damned good forward.
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#1193626 2013 NHL Draft

Posted by Daniel on 30 May 2013 - 10:30 AM

having good young players means having a good prospects pool, where do you think they come from ? lol if that was just a play on words just to get me going well thats pretty useless, yet once again you took LITERALLY what i said and not what the whole thing really meant . Do i have to say... "The devils doesnt have young potential top 6 offensive players except boucher, compared to most teams in the league?" Or "most teams have one or a few studs coming their way they are just waiting for him/them to be "Ready".

i mean its not rocket science, its not that black and white either but if some teams have a better / younger NHL team than NJ at this moment, and that they have studs coming their way. It's only looking bright for the future. We don't have that, our future is so damn uncertain its scary. Most of our top players are old and near retirement and theres no one to cover for them in our prospect pool. And where we actually have depth is at D and for some reasons they are not giving the kid their chances but stack the NHL with some horrible overpaid veterans.

First off, while I enjoy reading the HF individual prospect analyses, their team rankings seem to be a bit odd. They rank the Rangers pretty high, but if you look at their individual grades, I think the Devils ought to rank higher if you're just looking at the sum of the parts. So ultimately, as Tri noted, you can't really put any stock in superficial team rankings.

Otherwise, we get it, we'd all love to have young dynamic players. Unfortunately, more often than not, you have to stink for a while. The Kings had a lot of lean years, which helped them land Kopitar, Brayden Schenn (who turned into Richards), Jack Johnson (who turned into Carter), Doughty, and Dustin Brown. The Hawks were so awful at one point that their attendance was among the worst in the league. And we all know that the Penguins are the "lucky sperm club" of hocky teams.

But still, there's no magical formula. If being a young talented team is the key, Edmonton should at least be a playoff team. They actually haven't drafted any busts that I can think of with their high draft picks, yet they still stink. If the Devils all the sudden started a youth movement, and went down in the dumps, which would be more likely than not, you'd be saying more veteran leadership is required.

All in all, I would say the Devils' future is uncertain -- not bright, but not bleak either. Their defense is old on the whole, and has some weak links, but it's good enough that you can ease in the young defensemen over time. And, for all the belly aching, the Devils are still good defensively, whether you want to measure it by shots against or goals against.

At forward, I think you have at least five more years of Kovalchuk playing at a high level. Physically, he's a freak of nature, and doesn't have any of those debilitating nagging injuries that I know of. Zajac should be good for a while. Elias is old, but so are Datsyuk and Chara, just to name a few. If they hit the open market today, they'd get at least four year deals at $7million per year. Let me put it this way, who do you think is going to be better over the next three to four years, Elias or Courturier (or Zbenjiad, Strome, Yakupov, Granlund, Kreider, or any of those other players that are in the Hockey's Future top fifteen prospects)? If you knew the NHL were going to disband in five years, you would take Elias over ANYONE currently on one of those top prospect lists. Otherwise, there are enough depth type forwards of varying quality which can help the Devils at least tread water for the next few years.

In goal, it is what it is. I still maintain though that Marty was good enough when he wasn't hurt this year, and you can pick up another "good enough" type goalie with a little bit of luck.

Yes, it would be great to have a couple of forwards on the Hockey Future's top 50 list, regardless of how accurate you think those rankings and assessments are. And hopefully whoever we draft this year, will immediately be on that list. It just isn't necessary or sufficient to be a good team in the short, medium or even long term.

Sterio, I like you, but at times you sound like this teacher I had in high school who was also the swim team coach. He always noted that being the swim team coach was the easiest job in the world. All he did was sit there and say "swim faster". That's sort of what most sports fans are like.
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