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Posted by devilsrule33 on 29 June 2014 - 10:01 PM
Posted by devilsrule33 on 14 June 2014 - 03:04 PM
You don't have to like Lundqvist the person, even though I think the reasons are a little far fetched (I mean the things people are bringing up...well you now can find any reason to hate any player that ever played hockey). But, if you can't see that he is one of the best goalies in the game today, well that's a shame.
Hockey is a team sport.. If you think prime Brodeur was winning a Cup with this team...I think you'd be wrong. Prime Roy too. Maybe the greatest puck-stopper of all-time, Dominik Hasek, couldn't win a Cup, no matter how good he played, until he went to the loaded Wings (who also added Brett Hull and Luc Robitaille to fill out their roster).
After all the ridiculous saves Henrik made last night, you're going to go after him for that rebound. I'm not a goalie expert, but isn't that a set kind of play for teams because it is almost impossible for any goalie to properly control that rebound on a low shot off the wing?
Yes it is a Devils message board, and the Rangers are the team's biggest rivalries, but it's also a place where we talk NHL hockey, and Lundqvist has been one of the best goalies over the last 7-8 years. If the Rangers to win the Cup, Lundqvist would probably have had to play at a level that has never been played by any goalie in Stanley Cup history.
You brought up Brodeur, so I'll go along with it. Martin Brodeur was fantastic in all 3 finals, but he also played in front of some of the greatest defensive teams and some teams that were able to score quite a few goals for him in the Finals for him. He was not asked to do anything remotely close to what Lundqvist was asked to do in these Finals. At no point in any of the 3 Finals wins did the Devils not get the better of the play.
In the 3 Cup Finals that the Devils won, only 1 of the 17 games played did Brodeur face more shots than his opponent's goalie. In 9 of those 17 games, he had to make 20 or fewer saves. These were dominant Devils teams.
It's pretty obvious Martin Brodeur will have more NHL team success than Henrik Lundqvist. Doesn't take away from Lundqvist's play.
EDIT: I know what's coming. I'll step away.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 08 June 2014 - 08:27 AM
Are you saying Brodeur isn't good because the cup teams defenses were good at shot prevention? Maybe the Rangers defense should do their job.
No, this isn't what I am saying at all. Brodeur is great. He got the job done. But the Kings are beasts and the Rangers aren't throwing out multiple HOF on defense. Lundqvist after two games has been under fire to start this series unlike most goalies in Stanley Cup Finals history. Not expecting you to give Lundqvist a break or anyone here, but goalies have not been asked to do as much as Lundqvist to get a team a W. It's about realistic expectations.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 03 June 2014 - 03:10 PM
i don't understand what you're saying? do you think they're going to go out and sign another defenseman? i think there is virtually no chance of that unless they trade 2 or more guys.
they'll get their jam from whoever stays of anton and sal.
Lou doesn't like the word jam. The thought of jam makes him sick. He smashes jars of jam. They are all for "snot", however.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 30 May 2014 - 10:55 PM
And after all the complaining about how the Rangers can't be an elite team because they went to Game 7 in the first two rounds now the Kings have gone to Game 7 in three straight rounds. You really can't make this **** up.
The Rangers aren't an elite team because we know they aren't an elite team. Doesn't mean they can't win the Cup. They are here after all, but I think it be very very very unlikely.
Kings have won the SC, and are in back-to-back-back Conference Finals. They are a great team.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 30 May 2014 - 10:32 PM
Yep. Game 7. Of course.
You are looking at this all wrong. As hockey fans we deserve this series going to 7. It won't make any difference for the Cup finals, if that is what you are concerned about.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 30 May 2014 - 08:35 AM
lol fvck guys. Habs fans has been going on and on and on with sh!t like "Ole Ole Ole where's the Devils now?" kind of sh!t and they've been annoying and abnormally obnoxious for months now. Most we're giving me a hard time cause they know i hate the Habs.
So yeah, if you think i spent the last 2 months enduring all that sh!t and not try to give it back to them once it's finally over. I don't know where your balls are guys. Like you REALLY think i was not thinking all along "mannn the day you guys are eliminated im gonna make your life a living hell for the sh!t you're putting me through right now". then yeah lol Thats what's sports is all about.
They got what they deserved. Thats it. Stop being all pissed cause a situation made me cheer against a team playing the Rangers. Not about the Rangers at all actually
Tell me honestly you wouldnt want to be in a bar giving sh!t to Rangers fans who's been annoying the crap out of you when they lose in final.
Can you help me find my balls, SD?
Why are you going to a bar to watch a Habs game packed with fans you hate? You've already proved on this forum what kind of annoying troll you are. You are the kind of guy that does what you said you did when the Habs get eliminated. And if the Habs won, you'd probably be telling us "holy crap these Habs fans chanting 'Ole, Ole' after just equalizing the series, and you should have seen them celebrating". You'd probably be telling them to "be quiet because the series isn't over, and look at you guys celebrating so much when you haven't won sh!t yet."
It's a win-win for you in these situations. But Habs fans can't be nearly as bad as you say they are or they would have kicked the sh!t out of you for being a giant dick.
Like I said, everyone knows what kind of person you are since we saw it at the Olympics:
don't cry people, 2nd best in the world is a pretty big deal
woop woop my country
so the ghost call on that high stick with buddy throwing his head back and that miss call on a legit the stick in the face during the PP... so are we even for yesterday then? is that how it works?
Tsss so typical... We win gold again
Posted by devilsrule33 on 25 May 2014 - 07:25 AM
Well, I did that after we lost to you in 2012. Agreed completely on the format. It's disappointing how much NBC/CBC spread out the series. It's the Conference Finals and it's being treated like the NBA. It hurts each series. I knew we would lose Game 3. That extra day benefited the Habs. Maybe this time around, it helps the Rangers with Brassard. My gut feeling is the Game 4 winner will advance. I am definitely concerned. Especially if Stepan can't go.
In 2000, I went for Dallas. But it would've been nice to see Buffalo beat them the year before. For LOTCB (Brian). Nobody has had it tougher than him. Neither of our sides have had to deal with as much heartache as Sabres fans. Same for Blues. They are mirror images. In 2003, I wanted Ottawa of course. But once you made it, I knew they wouldn't lose to Anaheim. Especially in Game 7.
Biggest rival? It depends who you ask. The old-time fan will say the Islanders. It's sad that they won't be on Long Island anymore. Barclays is not great. If you're going off recent history, it's the Devils. The hatred is pretty intense. But it's more Devils fans. Personally, I hate the Pens the most. That series game me more satisfaction than what they did in 2012. I can't stand them. The Crosby network. The league ignoring what their stars get away with. Mario Lemieux. They are the definition of loathsome. I can't respect guys like Neal and Kunitz. Crosby will never compare to Toews. He's not a true leader. Would a real superstar vanish as frequently as he has when teams play him tough? Don't forget the Flyers even though the first round series lacked emotion. It was weird.
I'm not sure I answered your question. But you might want to rethink how our fanbase feels towards the Pens.
Uhhh. I am hating this flavour of the week stuff. Toews is an excellent player that has all the qualities you want, but Crosby is soooo much better than Toews. The Penguins have had some touch years and the Hawks have been dominant, but that has little to do with Crosby and Toews but the players around them and their respective GMs. The Hawks have such a better team. Toews can disappear for an entire playoffs and no one can notice. I think Toews went 20 straight games without a goal in last years playoff run. The rest of his team propped him up long enough for him to score a couple of goals late in the series. 6 goals in 36 playoff games for Toews, but no one ever wanted to bring that up.
The playoffs are such a tiny sample size. The regular season has told us enough that there should be no other player in the league then you want than Sidney Crosby. Start an expansion team. You can take Toews, and I'll take Crosby. I think my team will be doing a lot better all other things equal.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 24 May 2014 - 12:53 PM
I've read most of this thread and gotten some opinions from others that have taken part, so I'll add a few more thoughts and ask a few more questions. This is based on many of the posts over the last week or so in this thread:
Call it sacrilegious, but not only am I not cheering against the Rangers, not only is the Rangers winning the Cup to me be like if the Hawks won it 2010, or the Bruins in 2011, but I'd be genuinely happy for certain people if the Rangers won the Cup just like I am with any other team just as a fan of the game and seeing great players do well. So there all my cards are on the table...
As much as I love sports, rivalries don't interest me at all. I care about my team and that's it. I get joy out of the team I cheer for winning, and not from any other team losing. I get that I am different. Not better or worse than anyone here. It might have something to do with not cheering for a single team in my hometown and being close to the rivalries, it might not be. I'm not sure. But being where I am has shown me that every rivalry between fans is practically the same with each saying the other is insufferable.
I really think the Ottawa-Toronto rivalry is very similar to NJ-NY, where there are still so many Leafs fans in Ottawa, no matter how crappy they are, their fans still feel entitled because they are Toronto Maple Leafs fans and always have some historical series to piss Sens fans off about no matter how long ago it was. They also come in and own the Senators building. On the other hand, Leafs fans find Senators fans infatuated with the success and failures with the Maple Leafs more than the success and failures of their own team. I also see that Senators fans do relish in the Leafs' failures and don't let any opportunity slip from reminding any Toronto fans how pathetic their organization is. When the Leafs missed the playoffs, it was a celebration in Ottawa, but I also thought it was amusing that more joy was taken from that than than disappointment of their own team's very disappointing season where the playoffs were expected either way.
Here are my questions:
Some people here discuss Rangers fans like they are the most obnoxious kind of fans in the world, but the dynamic fascinates me for a few reasons: Firstly, as many have said, so many of their friends happen to be Rangers fans, siblings, parents, aunts and uncles are Rangers fans. We are talking about friends and family here! How insufferable can they be? I have to assume these people are good people, so it can be anything more than good old-fashioned friendly jawing, right?
Secondly, because of where you live and the Sports teams around it, the very same people many find insufferable idiot sports fans, happen to be on the same team in sports fandom when it comes to the Yankees/Mets, Giants/Jets, Red Bulls and maybe now Brooklyn Nets. Do these people suddenly become different when it isn't the Rangers? Does their arrogance suddenly change when rooting for a different team? Do you stop and say I am a Giants and Yankees fan, but man I simply can't associate with these fans because that same annoyance or cockiness resonates for other teams. Or as I imagine, because you root for the same team, it doesn't matter anymore because you are now "brothers" in fandom.
If the Rangers do win and you have to live through those fans having the upper-hand for the first time in 20 years, it's going to suck, no doubt about it. It's a group of arrogant sports fans finally having something to cheer for. But it hasn't been like Devils fans haven't been gleefully rubbing in their success and the Rangers failures over the last 20 years. I get there is a resilience to Rangers fans, it can be fvcking annoying or admirable, depending on how you look at it, but it's going to be the same Devils fan resilience that gets many through it, and maybe it makes us look like idiots to them. The Devils fans have a lot of things to hang their hats on, but it becomes irrelevant in the prism of a rivalry that should be about what have you done lately.
As everyone here has a story about a Rangers fan, all of them have been made out to make them so insufferable. CR1976 has the funny post about a Rangers fan bringing up 1994 and the Rangers going through NJ and winning the Cup, and the Devils not doing the same in 2012. It's silly, but god knows that's what we'd be doing if it was the other way around because that's all you got. We laugh about 1994, and everything the Rangers have done to honour that team since then, and rightfully fvcking so..rightfully fvcking so, it's absolutely embarrassing, but time flies, and it's been 11 years since the Devils won anything. If the Rangers do happen to win the Cup and brag about it, Devils fans will be responding with outdated comebacks. I hope many realize that, and I bet many do and that's what scares you about the Rangers winning. If the Rangers win the Cup in 2014, 2012 does become irrelevant. It would almost be like Rangers fans bringing up 1997 after the Devils won the Cup in 2000.
Disregarding a Rangers Cup win and saying, "well we still outnumber you in the last 50+ years" becomes just as pointless and soon Devils fans will become like Rangers fans talking about 1994. It's old news and desperate.
Anyway, the good news is that we are a long way from that. Those are pretty much all my thoughts on the matter and wanted to get them out in one post.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 17 May 2014 - 03:42 PM
You don't hate Lundqvist? He's like the biggest pompous a$$hole. hitting ice girls, the smug male model stuff. How about St. Louis being a prick and crying his way to the Rags.
Not sure the exact reasons why St Louis left Tampa and had to go to the Rangers, but, yes, I guess I did lose some respect for him. I think most people held him in very high regard before that. His family tragedy has made me forget the trade.
I am a fan of Lundqvist. Why should I care that he's good looking and gets opportunities to do things many good looking athletes have done in all sports. I think Lundqvist is very hard to hate. I understand why people in NJ want to hate him due to dozens of Rangers fans anointing him 'King Henrik' and saying he is better than Brodeur. It's frustrating, but once you separate that it really has nothing to do with Lundqvist himself..whatever. And because of those annoying fans and who he plays for, rooting for him to fail and blow in the playoffs...sure, but that has nothing to do with having to hate him.
He always handles himself well, and made it a non issue when Brodeur has commented about him over the years. If you are annoyed by Rangers fans and the media, you better shut it all out if the Rangers do win the Cup. Lundqvist will be marketed heavily and become the face of the NHL.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 24 April 2014 - 05:49 PM
I'm so sick of this Devils blowing leads crap. I say the Devils blow leads at a rate on par with the rest of the league. They probably came back from being down 2 goals as much as they blew 2 goals lead. They probably tied the game with an empty net as they got scored on with the other team pulling their goalie.
As people have noticed, no lead is safe in this league. Not for the Penguins. Not for the Blackhawks. Not for the Ducks or the Kings. Is this a coaching issue around the league. No. Just like it was and still isn't an issue with Deboer.
It's a different league. Most teams are even with each other. If one gets a two goal lead, it shouldn't be safe. You can't sit back and suffocate teams. Just be happy a team builds up a lead to give them a cushion. The 2012 Devils weren't some great team. Yes, they let Florida and the Rangers back after taking nice leads, but unless you are some powerhouse team (the Devils certainly weren't), these things are going to happen. It's just the nature of the beast. There isn't a right way or a wrong way to play with the lead. You are going to see opponents getting desperate when they fall behind. Can you ride out the wave or not.
Most of the times, the teams that don't blow leads are still feeling the heat, they just have goalies bailing them out for an extended period time.
This year, the Devils really played some great third periods with the lead. Sometimes sh!t happens, but I never saw the Devils have concerning issues with the lead.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 22 April 2014 - 11:19 PM
Feeling pretty bummed about watching the playoffs so I wanted to look back at this. Great thread, and lots of great posts. This team had so much skill and so much heart. I don't feel hate for Kovy and Parise but appreciation for their efforts in this run. Damn, take me back.
Is this the NJDevs equivalent to a drunk text to an Ex?
Posted by devilsrule33 on 13 April 2014 - 06:50 PM
I enjoyed seeing the players give Marty his moment. That was a nice touch. Whatever your thoughts are, without Brodeur there are no Jersey Devils. He is the man. Even in the twilight, he dug deep and outplayed Hank to get them there one final time. In a year they were viewed as an afterthought. Brodeur is one of those special athletes that comes around once in a lifetime. He is a living legend. If he doesn't want to go out the way Rivera and Jeter are, that's his choice. Even with his commentary, the man is one thing. A winner. Even I know. Marty's Better.
How difficult was it for YOU to write that? Very well said, Derek.
As happy as I am to see the torch passed to Cory (hopefully for more than one season), it was great to watch Brodeur with his distinct style one more time, today. The beautiful puck handling The skate save on the breakaway. The standing glove save. He played the position differently. I'll miss that next season.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 08 April 2014 - 09:10 PM
Your hate for Marty has actually gotten so extreme that sadly, anyone who doesn't agree that Marty was the central reason for this team's downfall is now going to be labeled a 'Marty fanboy' by you. The truth is that there is a reasonable way to hold Marty accountable for his play this year and an illogical one with only speculation to provide why Marty was our ruining this year. It's all based on an 'if' and a useless 'if' IF that. It is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fitting that this team basically got eliminated on a night where Marty didn't even play and the team scored no goals.
At that point it's like "DR33 isn't seriously going to try and perpetuate his wild Marty accusations tonight is he?" And then, there you are! Ready to attack sans shame. Let's ignore everything else and stick to the "Marty has killed us" line.
Let me predict your response: It will be something along the lines of accusing me of thinking only the number of wins Marty has matter, accusing me of thinking Cory is equal to Marty, or telling me that I am satisfied with NJ not making the playoffs this year.
See, the thing is, I don't devote myself to deep analytic hockey analysis. If you presented a valid and reasonable argument that could convince me of the notions that you are presenting, I might be obliged to get on board. But you haven't, you actually haven't convinced much of anyone. So, now the response is to call us 'fanboys', because we don't blindly accept your fervent Marty hatred.
1) I don't hate Marty. I didn't like hm playing. I didn't like him talking to the media constantly, especially before he starts a game with huge playoff implications talking about next season and where his kids want him to play. Let me ask you this: Do you think any coach, anyone in management and most importantly his teammates appreciated Marty talking about the possibility of playing somewhere else a day before a big hockey game? I bet everyone would be a little annoyed or disappointed.
2) In a 5-page thread, you immediately jump to me...even though I never made any crazy claim that Marty is the sole reason the Devils missed the playoffs or the main reason.
3) I'm done explaining anything to you. You don't need any analytic hockey analysis to see why Schneider is better than Brodeur. You know Cory is better so what do you want me to convince you of? Why are you replying to me? I didn't start the thread.
4) You say it is fitting that the Devils got eliminated 1-0 with Cory in net? I mean in a way it is. But not anymore fitting than them losing 5-4 with Brodeur in net. Or Brodeur getting a win after letting in 3 goals on 9 shots, and Schneider coming in, posting a scoreless game, and Marty getting the win.
Posted by devilsrule33 on 03 April 2014 - 08:14 PM
i dont think it really matters who wins these other games nj is not going to do enough to help themselves anyway.
Exactly, plus Philly is playing a fine game. 30 shots on BOBROVSKY! with 10 minutes to play. Boston is on a 2nd game of a back-to-back playing their backup.