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#1287997 GDT: New Jersey Devils vs Detroit Red Wings

Posted by devilsrule33 on 09 November 2014 - 08:26 PM

You are leaving one crucial facet out, they never spent up to the cap. This is not something that plagues the Devils.


Sterio has his opinions, but has no interest in backing it up with facts. As you stated, the Predators were never a cap team. They were $10-15 million below the cap many of their playoff years.


For a team that didn't spend much, they still had a decent offense. Looking at their playoff years...they had a better offense than defense 4 of the 7 years and only in 10-11 did they have a significantly better defense than offense.


03-04 - 12th GF,  20th GA

05-06 - 10th GF,  7th GA

06-07 -   4th GF,  8th GA

07-08  - 15th GF, 16th GA

09-10 -  15th GF,  14th GA

10-11 - 21st GF,  2nd GA  

11-12 - 8th GF, 9 GA


I really don't even understand what the Predators example is about  or how it relates to the Devils? If ownership allowed them to go all in for a top offensive player, they probably would have. Did they ignore offensive players? No.  Was their offense significantly worse than their defense? No.


As for your Cup winning teams:


2014 - Kings: 1st GA

2013 - Blackhawks 1st GA

2012 - Kings 2nd GA

2011 - Bruins  3rd GA

2010 - Blackhawks 5th GA


The most common thing that great Cup teams have is that they are very good at defense. Maybe if Nashville was a better defensive team, they'd  have gone further.

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#1287780 GDT: New Jersey Devils vs Detroit Red Wings

Posted by devilsrule33 on 07 November 2014 - 11:02 PM

How long do we have zero accountability ANYWHERE for losing two straight years, and it sure as shooting looks like a third straight year now?  


Again this idea that coaches with bad teams should never be fired is misleading, coaches get fired all the time on bad teams.  Besides they're going through the motions right now with a bunch of vets underachieving.  That's usually the tell for when a coaching change is about to be made.  Lou's tolerated a lot the last couple years but I don't think he's going to tolerate more 'efforts' like tonight or a 60% PK...you don't need a lot of talent to have an NHL PK.


If you don't want a coaching change fine but can SOMETHING happen at least?  They can't just lah-de-dah a third straight year away without doing anything of consequence.  Start selling off the old guys for assets, maybe trade one of the D for some help up front and start remaking this team.


There should be accountability when games like this happen once a week. Instead games like this have happened so rarely. This team 99% of the time is ready to play. The roster the Devils put out tonight playing on a back-to-back will not have much success with any coach.


Look at the fvcking lineup tonight. Gionta, Zubrus, Bernier, Josefson, Ryder, Tootoo, Ruutu,  Sislo, Brunner (he is awful), Elias (never seen him this bad), Zajac (struggling) and Jagr. It sucks. That's a really really bad forward group.


They can fire Deboer, but no coach is going to get that group going playing any differently. Lets just wait until they can get healthier and see if the team is struggling or not.

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#1280275 Scott Clemmensen "Wins" The Backup Job

Posted by devilsrule33 on 04 October 2014 - 01:38 PM

Meh. I think the difference between Kinkaid and Clemmensen is overstated. Neither one will have THAT much of an impact if Schneider stays healthy


The difference probably is negligible. But this team is royally fvcked if Schneider gets hurt. I also think 70-72 games is too many games if he is healthy. Clemmensen should have never been brought in.



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#1278589 2014 Training Camp Thread

Posted by devilsrule33 on 20 September 2014 - 10:19 PM

Pre-season is a small sample size, but with so many built in biases by the coaching staff to vets and gritty players, really hoping to see big camps/games from guys like Brunner, Josefson and Sislo.


There is so much forward depth, that it is driving me nuts that the staff and Lou are looking to dump an offensive player or two to fit in Carter or maybe even a Tootoo. The team needs to keep anyone that can score goals. Ryder and Brunner are players that can infuriate coaches and fans, absolutely...but, you have Clowe and Havlat that will never stay healthy. Even if Havlat does, he might not be good at all. You are relying so much on two guys that have a combined age of 80 to stay healthy and lead your team offensively. Not the best idea.


Then you have the 4th line, and for all intents and purposes, it looks like the Devils will try and keep that group intact. Why should we think otherwise? It's unfortunate because a 4th line can be improved in so many ways. Zubrus-Josefson-Sislo, Zubrus-Josefson-Brunner. I know it is silly because Gionta is locked in as a regular, but the Devils goal this off-season should have not just been about improving the top 6, it should have been/be about improving 9-12 as well. I liked Ryan Carter. There can be a role for a guy like him in the 4th line, but they signed Gio, they signed Bernier. Unless one of them goes, there can't be a spot for him.


Sure it is early, but when I see so many forwards and have enough info about Pete and Lou, it's getting me nervous already.

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#1273841 Kovalchuk Retired Effective Immediately?

Posted by devilsrule33 on 16 July 2014 - 07:51 PM

"I'm not your buddy, guy".


I have the same to say about it that we've all been saying for 2 years. Zach would have been great to have, however, not worth a 7.5 cap hit for 13 years. Same with Kovalchuk. He'd be making 11.3 million real money this season and next. He wasn't impressive in the KHL. What many of us have been saying, which is pretty clear, is that we lucked out on him leaving before he got bad. He had a great second half in 2011, and great 2012, and was ineffective in 2013. So he had 1 and 1/2 good seasons and 1 and 1/2 bad ones in his 3 year run. Those decade long contracts are exciting for one day when they get signed, and then you have to deal with the realities of them. I'm glad there's a limit on contracts now.


It's like when you break up with a girl and then find out that meth habit you suspected she had was real after all, and now you're glad you got out before it got bad.



Thank you.


DD56, I'm not sure. It really reminds me of when you used to date all these cute girl next-door kind of girls that were great in their own way, but a little boring. Then you get set up with this super-hot Russian girl, one of the prettiest girls you've ever seen that you have admired for a long time. Sure she is a little exotic and rough around the edges for your family's strict conservative values, but you are sure you can make some changes to her, so they approve. You find out at first she is so needy and demanding but you give into her demands because....well look at her.


At first you're disappointed, but it's probably a little blip in a very long-term relationship. Then everything is great, and she wins your heart by saying of the two of you "this is team", and she buys you and her these cool hoodies with your relationship motto. She has an extended break from work so In the summer she goes back to Russia to visit her family, and see some old friends, one of the friends that you know is really into her. He's gotten his act together and has a job, his own house and car...even if they are crappy at best. Next thing you know she is actually staying at his house, but you shrug it off because you just finished such an incredible year together. You sometimes hear some stupid rumours that she actually likes this guy she is staying with and misses Russia, but you dismiss it sounds like some jealous friends making sh!t up or some idiot that usually is only right about 2.3% of the time.


Eventually she comes back home, but you are not sure if things are still okay and the relationship seems a bit different, definitely not as hot and heavy as before, but that's okay. So things aren't as great as they were, and maybe she isn't as pretty as she once was. Then all of a sudden she completely shocks you one summer day by dumping you and telling you she is moving back to Russia and getting engaged to that guy she stayed with. You feel like you got punched in the stomach, but you'll survive. You keep thinking that you should have seen the signs coming, yet you were just blinded by love. On the plus side, you were about to build an $11 million mansion that she designed and demanded, and she left days before you were about to break ground on the project.


So you are looking for a new girlfriend, and there is just no one out there except this really old girl that you sort of used to know back in high school. Well really you watched her from afar, but never dreamed of talking to her. She was the most popular girl in school and was absolutely wild. Never in a million years could you see yourself with her. Except she's matured and is looking to settle down, and you're desperate and on the rebound. She's actually been hurt by a few boyfriends recently. Even though she looks great for her age, they keep dumping her for younger guys. So after a tough first few dates, things start to look really promising. She's smart, gorgeous and really funny. So easy to get along with and not demanding at  all. She loves everything about you which kind of shocks you because you are kind of plain and boring, and she's used to wild and crazy guys and more adventerous things. She really has matured and her priorities have changed. You know it won't last but you count yourself lucky everyday.


Yet part of you keeps looking at your ex-gfs Facebook page, and man does she look awful. Everything there seems awful, but you can't stop wondering about what could have been, even though you are in a better relationship now. And....wait wait.


Actually that doesn't sound like anything that we are talking about, Come to think of it now, it also very much reminds me of that girl you break up with who you suspect has a meth problem, and then it turns out she does. So fvcking true. We can all probably relate to that.



Now no more girlfriend analogies please, unless you can work meth into them.

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#1273709 Kovalchuk Retired Effective Immediately?

Posted by devilsrule33 on 15 July 2014 - 11:35 AM

I don't get the beat the dead horse posts. The thread was bumped...it's been a year. A lot has happened, and it is interesting to look back and look ahead with everything we now know. Plus, most of the emotion has been taken out of the equation, so that makes helps.


The forum has been ghost town for a bit, and this is good discussion.

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#1273220 Schneider re-signs with extended multi-year contract

Posted by devilsrule33 on 09 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

Lou conference call check list:


Mentions player's great character: Certainly


Avoids answering something very trivial: Without Question (wouldn't give the length of the contract)


Brings up how long the Devils have known or watched the player: Certainly (Prep School and Hockey East)


Says  "status quo": Yup...WAIT...he actually says "I don't think it's ever a status quo process".





Excellent signing by the way.

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#1271365 Confronting the Nightmare - UPDATE: NIGHTMARE OVER, KINGS WIN!

Posted by devilsrule33 on 29 June 2014 - 10:01 PM


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#1268724 Marty and the Queen Have a Drink

Posted by devilsrule33 on 14 June 2014 - 03:04 PM

You don't have to like Lundqvist the person, even though I think the reasons are a little far fetched (I mean the things people are bringing up...well you now can find any reason to hate any player that ever played hockey). But, if you can't see that he is one of the best goalies in the game today, well that's a shame.


Hockey is a team sport.. If you think prime Brodeur was winning a Cup with this team...I think you'd be wrong. Prime Roy too. Maybe the greatest puck-stopper of all-time, Dominik Hasek, couldn't win a Cup, no matter how good he played, until he went to the loaded Wings (who also added Brett Hull and Luc Robitaille to fill out their roster).


After all the ridiculous saves Henrik made last night, you're going to go after him for that rebound. I'm not a goalie expert, but isn't that a set kind of play for teams because it is almost impossible for any goalie to properly control that rebound on a low shot off the wing?


Yes it is a Devils message board, and the Rangers are the team's biggest rivalries, but it's also a place where we talk NHL hockey, and Lundqvist has been one of the best goalies over the last 7-8 years. If the Rangers to win the Cup, Lundqvist would probably have had to play at a level that has never been played by any goalie in Stanley Cup history.


You brought up Brodeur, so I'll go along with it. Martin Brodeur was fantastic in all 3 finals, but he also played in front of some of the greatest defensive teams and some teams that were able to score quite a few goals for him in the Finals for him. He was not asked to do anything remotely close to what Lundqvist was asked to do in these Finals. At no point in any of the 3 Finals wins did the Devils not get the better of the play.


In the 3 Cup Finals that the Devils won, only 1 of the 17 games played did Brodeur face more shots than his opponent's goalie. In 9 of those 17 games, he had to make 20 or fewer saves. These were dominant Devils teams.


It's pretty obvious Martin Brodeur will have more NHL team success than Henrik Lundqvist. Doesn't take away from Lundqvist's play.


EDIT: I know what's coming. I'll step away.

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#1267398 congrats to the 2013-14 Champs, the Kings

Posted by devilsrule33 on 08 June 2014 - 08:27 AM

Are you saying Brodeur isn't good because the cup teams defenses were good at shot prevention?  Maybe the Rangers defense should do their job. 


No, this isn't what I am saying at all. Brodeur is great. He got the job done. But the Kings are beasts and the Rangers aren't throwing out multiple HOF on defense. Lundqvist after two games has been under fire to start this series unlike most goalies in Stanley Cup Finals history. Not expecting you to give Lundqvist a break or anyone here, but goalies have not been asked to do as much as Lundqvist to get a team a W. It's about realistic expectations.

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#1266673 Devils re-sign Zidlicky

Posted by devilsrule33 on 03 June 2014 - 03:10 PM

i don't understand what you're saying? do you think they're going to go out and sign another defenseman? i think there is virtually no chance of that unless they trade 2 or more guys.


they'll get their jam from whoever stays of anton and sal.


Lou doesn't like the word jam. The thought of jam makes him sick. He smashes jars of jam. They are all for "snot", however.

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#1266276 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

Posted by devilsrule33 on 30 May 2014 - 10:55 PM

And after all the complaining about how the Rangers can't be an elite team because they went to Game 7 in the first two rounds now the Kings have gone to Game 7 in three straight rounds.  You really can't make this **** up.


The Rangers aren't an elite team because we know they aren't an elite team. Doesn't mean they can't win the Cup. They are here after all, but I think it be very very very unlikely.


Kings have won the SC, and are in back-to-back-back Conference Finals. They are a great team.

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#1266270 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

Posted by devilsrule33 on 30 May 2014 - 10:32 PM

Yep. Game 7. Of course.


You are looking at this all wrong. As hockey fans we deserve this series going to 7. It won't make any difference for the Cup finals, if that is what you are concerned about.

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#1266148 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

Posted by devilsrule33 on 30 May 2014 - 08:35 AM

lol fvck guys. Habs fans has been going on and on and on with sh!t like "Ole Ole Ole where's the Devils now?" kind of sh!t and they've been annoying and abnormally obnoxious for months now. Most we're giving me a hard time cause they know i hate the Habs.


So yeah, if you think i spent the last 2 months enduring all that sh!t and not try to give it back to them once it's finally over. I don't know where your balls are guys. Like you REALLY think i was not thinking all along "mannn the day you guys are eliminated im gonna make your life a living hell for the sh!t you're putting me through right now". then yeah lol Thats what's sports is all about.


They got what they deserved. Thats it. Stop being all pissed cause a situation made me cheer against a team playing the Rangers. Not about the Rangers at all actually


Tell me honestly you wouldnt want to be in a bar giving sh!t to Rangers fans who's been annoying the crap out of you when they lose in final.


Can you help me find my balls, SD?


Why are you going to a bar to watch a Habs game packed with fans you hate? You've already proved on this forum what kind of annoying troll you are. You are the kind of guy that does what you said you did when the Habs get eliminated. And if the Habs won, you'd probably be telling us "holy crap these Habs fans chanting 'Ole, Ole' after just equalizing the series, and you should have seen them celebrating". You'd probably be telling them to "be quiet because the series isn't over, and look at you guys celebrating so much when you haven't won sh!t yet." 


It's a win-win for you in these situations. But Habs fans can't be nearly as bad as you say they are or they would have kicked the sh!t out of you for being a giant dick.


Like I said, everyone knows what kind of person you are since we saw it at the Olympics:


don't cry people, 2nd best in the world is a pretty big deal  :)


woop woop my country



so the ghost call on that high stick with buddy throwing his head back and that miss call on a legit the stick in the face during the PP... so are we even for yesterday then? is that how it works?



Tsss so typical... We win gold again


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#1265471 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

Posted by devilsrule33 on 25 May 2014 - 07:25 AM

Well, I did that after we lost to you in 2012. Agreed completely on the format. It's disappointing how much NBC/CBC spread out the series. It's the Conference Finals and it's being treated like the NBA. It hurts each series. I knew we would lose Game 3. That extra day benefited the Habs. Maybe this time around, it helps the Rangers with Brassard. My gut feeling is the Game 4 winner will advance. I am definitely concerned. Especially if Stepan can't go.


In 2000, I went for Dallas. But it would've been nice to see Buffalo beat them the year before. For LOTCB (Brian). Nobody has had it tougher than him. Neither of our sides have had to deal with as much heartache as Sabres fans. Same for Blues. They are mirror images. In 2003, I wanted Ottawa of course. But once you made it, I knew they wouldn't lose to Anaheim. Especially in Game 7.


Biggest rival? It depends who you ask. The old-time fan will say the Islanders. It's sad that they won't be on Long Island anymore. Barclays is not great. If you're going off recent history, it's the Devils. The hatred is pretty intense. But it's more Devils fans. Personally, I hate the Pens the most. That series game me more satisfaction than what they did in 2012. I can't stand them. The Crosby network. The league ignoring what their stars get away with. Mario Lemieux. They are the definition of loathsome. I can't respect guys like Neal and Kunitz. Crosby will never compare to Toews. He's not a true leader. Would a real superstar vanish as frequently as he has when teams play him tough? Don't forget the Flyers even though the first round series lacked emotion. It was weird.


I'm not sure I answered your question. But you might want to rethink how our fanbase feels towards the Pens.


Uhhh. I am hating this flavour of the week stuff. Toews is an excellent player that has all the qualities you want, but Crosby is soooo much better than Toews. The Penguins have had some touch years and the Hawks have been dominant, but that has little to do with Crosby and Toews but the players around them and their respective GMs. The Hawks have such a better team. Toews can disappear for an entire playoffs and no one can notice. I think Toews went 20 straight games without a goal in last years playoff run. The rest of his team propped him up long enough for him to score a couple of goals late in the series. 6 goals in 36 playoff games for Toews, but no one ever wanted to bring that up.


The playoffs are such a tiny sample size. The regular season has told us enough that there should be no other player in the league then you want than Sidney Crosby. Start an expansion team. You can take Toews, and I'll take Crosby. I think my team will be doing a lot better all other things equal.

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