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#1203967 2013-14 schedule thread

Posted by devilsrule33 on 17 July 2013 - 11:45 PM

Not to totally derail this thread, but until the schedules gets announced: Parise will get it. Langenbrunner will get it if he signs with the Wild. Holik got it. Niedermayer got it. Kovalchuk won't ever be in the USA to get a lashing from Devils fans. I get the frustration and anger, but it be great if we could cheer half as hard as we boo for ex-Devils when they come to town. 


It's not like the Devils honoured past players like Madden, Gionta, Pandolfo, or Rafalski when they came back to town. 4 key contributors in a bunch of Cups (Gionta is a stretch in 03), and all 4 left because the Devils no longer wanted them or thought they weren't worth as much as the market said. That's the business. We get on athletes for being selfish or choosing what is best for themselves, but when the team chooses what's best for themselves, we don't even think twice. We barely even acknowledge their contributions. 


In game 1, is anyone going to give Zidlicky a standing ovation for passing on multi-year offers to stay with Devilsf for 1. Of course not. It seems silly to even suggest. If we are going to boo Parise or anyone else, doesn't Elias deserve a gigantic standing ovation and chants of "Patty Patty" or "Thank You Patty" during the first game for staying as a lifelong Devil? Shouldn't there be signs for him as well. Because there will be signs for Zach for that first game. And there will be negative chants as well. I'd like to think the positive of Elias staying should outweigh the negativity of Parise leaving.


Not saying this is exclusive to this fanbase. This is how it goes in sports in general. That's why I'll never get on an athlete for going anywhere they want or taking any amount of money they want. Be selfish, because it doesn't matter how many discount deals or unselfish decisions you make. The moment you lose your value, or make too much money or can't produce, the team and the fans will turn on you. 


Edit: And I see some more comments about Zach secretly planning this exit or telling people he'd stay. As we know everyone got him for that, but no one cares when the team doesn't hold up their end of the bargain to the player. Don't hear about fans leaving their favourite team because they backstabbed a player and following the player to a new team. If you know it is a business, treat it like it is a business for both the player and the team.

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#1203923 Your thought on today / about the team so far ?

Posted by devilsrule33 on 17 July 2013 - 03:58 PM

Kovy was a do it himself type of player, so I don't put much stock in last season   Elias is such a great teacher, and has the best hockey IQ in the world, he would immediately help Matteau be in the best position to succeed.   Elias helped Sykora get back into being a goal scorer a few years ago.   I would hope that Matteau gets to learn from playing with Patty how to play the game correctly.


1) Kovalchuk's biggest fault while he was here was that he was too unselfish and didn't shoot the puck more often.

2) The Devils lost 10 in a row without Kovalchuk.

3) The great Patrik Elias had 1 goal and 1 assist when Kovalchuk was out of the lineup.

4) Matteau played as well as he could in his short stint as an 18-year old in the NHL. It wasn't going to be much different who he played with.

5) Stop trolling. We got enough Kovy BS for years. Of course the year he was 5th in scoring and leading the Devils to the Cup Finals, you were absent. 

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#1203626 Kovalchuk Retired Effective Immediately?

Posted by devilsrule33 on 15 July 2013 - 06:46 PM

I was responding to the poster suggesting that he left because Clarkson and parise left.

On the second part, we've heard everything from 11-20 million a season. Either way, after taxes it's more than he'd get here. I think he realized he wanted less games at more money in a place where he'll be worshipped.



I don't get the worshipped part? Kovy seems like a very low-key guy. The opposite of say Alexander Ovechkin. 

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#1202833 BELIEVE SIG

Posted by devilsrule33 on 12 July 2013 - 04:04 PM

If you want to believe right now, it's about believing in more than one player. I think Colin's sig is perfect as is. Just believe in the Devils.

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#1202156 Devils signs Rod Pelley

Posted by devilsrule33 on 11 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

Lou is always two steps ahead. Kovalchuk retired. Already has Pelley signed.

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#1202154 Minor Devils' Signings/Albany Speculation Thread 2013

Posted by devilsrule33 on 11 July 2013 - 05:24 PM

Minor Devils transaction today: Some Russian retired. 

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#1201950 Kovalchuk Retired Effective Immediately?

Posted by devilsrule33 on 11 July 2013 - 04:06 PM

What a stomach punch. I respect his decision 100%...but this sucks.

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#1201733 Rask signed for $8M a year??

Posted by devilsrule33 on 10 July 2013 - 08:02 PM

Wow, that is a big commitment for a goalie with half a year under his belt. Sounds like a Dipietro/Luongo type of mistake.


Do you follow hockey at all?

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#1201134 Devils signs Rod Pelley

Posted by devilsrule33 on 08 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

Was really hoping this was a bumped thread. Alas...

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#1197961 Thank You Jay !

Posted by devilsrule33 on 29 June 2013 - 07:03 PM

Great Devil. Brutal last year and a bit for him in NJ, but did a lot of good things for many years that should never be forgotten. Was a huge contributor to the 2003 Cup team.

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#1194615 2012-2013 NHL Playoffs

Posted by devilsrule33 on 08 June 2013 - 11:20 PM

Hell of a game!! And why any Devils fan was rooting for LA is beyond me. With that said, hats off to the Hawks. Well done.


I don't get why any fan dislikes LA. If you are tired of them sure, but THEM beating the Devils in the finals was irrelevant to me. Only thing that mattered was the Devils losing. Besides, there wasn't one bit of hostility between the teams or the fans during the finals. It was pretty ho-hum. I respected LA for taking care of business. 


I'm happy the Blackhawks won, but it has nothing to do with the 2012 Finals.

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#1188798 Let's Give Elias His Due Tonight

Posted by devilsrule33 on 25 April 2013 - 11:06 AM

There haven’t been many times in franchise history where going into a game, you knew this could be a Devils player’s final home game, and there wasn’t something bigger at stake like trying to keep the season alive. Well tonight, there isn’t much to play for and it very well could be Patrik Elias’ last home game as a Devil. Hopefully it won’t be (and I don’t think it will be), but if it gets to July 1st, there might be some offers that blow him and the Devils away.

Patty has always been an underrated quiet star around the league and even on this team. But in the end, he owns pretty much every offensive record on this team, he’s led the team in scoring 7 times and been part of 2 Stanley Cup winning teams and 2 other Cup finalists. He continues to chug along quietly…playing great two way hockey. When the Devils brought Kovalchuk in, it was Elias leading the team in scoring during that first full-year. When Kovy was getting all the accolades with the team and around the league last season, it was Elias there right behind him and 10th in league scoring. Elias is a guy who has taken a back seat to players here be it Kovy or Parise, but he’s always right there.

There haven’t been many individual nights for him either. When he broke John MacLean’s franchise points’ record, it was unfortunately overshadowed on the same night by Martin Brodeur becoming the winningest goalie in NHL history. When he broke the franchise goal record, it happened on the road and most of his teammates had no clue about it at all. He’s often been disrespected by his own coaches nonetheless. He never had the best relationship with Pat Burns for some reason and the Brent Sutter situation was a black eye for the franchise in my opinion. Sutter, having never coached in the NHL, stripped the captaincy away from a veteran and gave it to a player that wasn’t even with the team throughout training camp and the beginning of the season.  It seems like he is finally back with a coach that truly respects Elias for the leader he is and the incredible hockey player he is.

Tonight, hopefully, Devils fans can vocally do the same. If you are going to the game or know someone who is, or know of anyone to spread the word to, let’s give Elias the proper due he deserves and remind him how much he means to the franchise and the fans. Let’s get some chants going throughout the night to honour the greatest Devils forward of all-time. Maybe we can get something going to other forums or through social media.  He’s a quiet unassuming guy, but I am sure it would mean the world to him as well. He certainly deserves it, regardless if it his last game or not. 

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#1145849 Semin to carolina

Posted by devilsrule33 on 26 July 2012 - 02:38 PM

Krys Barch was always going to be the last move. Don't worry, Barchy's got this.
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#1145451 NJDevs' Devils Retrospect: Elias - It Only Takes One Guy

Posted by devilsrule33 on 23 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

With Zach Parise's unceremoniously departure now behind us, I thought I'd take a look back at another Devils star forward that hit July 1st , Patrik Elias. The one thing I noticed when looking back on Elias' free agency situation was how similar it was to that of Zach Parise's 6 years later. Once again, I'll get help from current and former NJDevs members.

"It only takes one guy to wreck the whole thing and Jay Feaster just did it."

Like Parise, Elias was set to be an RFA a year before he was eligible for unrestricted free agency. And like Parise, Elias first left everyone with some doubt about his health a year before his free agency. In March of 2005, while playing for Magnitogorsk Metallurg in the Russian league, Elias fell ill with Hepatitis A. When news first broke, it was unclear how serious this was. But in the end, his season was done as he lost around 30 pounds and spent a month in a Czech hospital.

After Scott Niedermayer had chosen to leave the Devils and sign with the Anahiem Ducks, Patrik became the centre of attention again. Elias was given a qualifying offer of 1-year and $4.18 million. He could accept it, go to arbitration, or try to bang out a long-term deal (which given the circumstances seemed like a real long shot). Elias was still not close to 100% and was expected to miss the early part of the 05-06 campaign.

Patrik Elias is worth more then the qualifying offer, if he were smart he would go to arbitration take the one year deal and try his luck as a UFA. Gives him more options.

i think that given his health issues, that might be risky. look at a guy like allison who had to sign for $1.5.
i could see lou sign him to a 3 year, $4.5M/year deal now, where he's manageable and this way, is elias doesn't return to form due to hep a, he's set financially.

Amazingly, even with Elias' uncertainty, word was that Lou and Patty were trying to bang out a long-term deal. But in the end, it was not to be, and Elias accepted the 1-year qualifying offer. The thread that followed wasn't much different than the one where Parise and the Devils could only reach a 1-year deal in the summer of 2011. For many, this seemed all too familiar to a year prior when Lou and Niedermayer were unable to reach a deal on a long-term contract, instead settling on a 1-year deal decided by an arbitrator. With Niedermayer's departure barely a few weeks old, it was understandable for any Devils fan to be worried. But many stayed positive given the circumstances that the team and player were dealing with.

Bye-bye Patty.

I'm not getting the best feeling either. I does make sense now for both sides to not do a long-term deal until Patty's health issues are squared away. The Devils won't want to be tied down to a big money long-term deal if he never really comes back from the illness, and the agent has to know he wouldn't get the full value of a healthy Elias if they were to strike a deal now. Waiting is better for both sides.
Hopefully, when they say they will re-open negotiations as soon as they are allowed, they both mean it and really want to work out a long-term deal before the end of the season. :pray:

I don't get all the negativity about Elias staying, just because he didn't sign a long-term deal right this minute that automatically means he's moving on? Like someone pointed out it's really best for both sides to wait, and Elias hasn't given any indication that he's unhappy here (and in fact said he liked that the Devils were willing to talk contract with him under his condition) so I wouldn't automatically assume the worst.

Lou is going to make sure Elias completely recovers from the illness before signing him long term. That's why he qualified him so early to give that message to Elias that he wants him apart of his team for atleast this year but Lou can't predict the future (however he IS God so ya never know) so why waste all that money before you know he can or can't fully recover from his illness?
Elias was very pleased with Lou's early qualifying offer and him and Lou have never bashed heads. I'm not worried.

I think it's a smart move. I mean, c'mon people, it's not like he's getting over the flu. Regardless of A or C, hepatitus is very serious and who knows if his ability will be affected when he comes back. It's not like it was signed out of animosity. It's a smart move because I would much rather the organization be able to cut their losses after 1 season if Elias comes back and isnt effective.

If he is able to play the way he's used to playing, they'll re-negotiate and he'll be back next season. Instead of being so pessimistic, let's have a bit of optimism.

Sounds familar, right? Well, the start of the 05-06 season was a complete clusterfvck. By the end of 2005, the Devils had lost their coach because he was physically too ill to coach them anymore, dismissed two of their three major off-season acquisitions (soon to be 3 with Mogilny), and Patrik Elias had still yet to play one shift. Again, clusterfvck, but actually not so bad in hindsight when compared to the 2010-2011 Devils.

Somehow, as the Devils season came to an end, it was believed that Patrik Elias would be weeks away from a gigantic payday and potentially a maximum cap contract. The belief stemmed partly from Patty's second-half return, where his play almost single-handidly turned the Devils season around all the way to Atlantic Division Champions. Elias finished the season with 45 points in 38 games and added 16 more in just 9 playoff games. But even more concern came from a single contract given out by Jay Feaster a little over a month before free agency was to begin. A contract that many thought would have repercussions throughout the league.

According to TSN.CA, TB gave Brad Richards a 5 year, $39MM deal that pays him $7.8/year. Of course this is ridiculous, but it just put Elias' number right at $8MM and gomez well over $5MM.

It only takes one guy to wreck the whole thing and Jay Feaster just did it.

If Feaster has a job in two years, i'll eat my hat. he has killed TB's future unless they deal St. Louis or Lecavailler.

Chara, Redden, Lidstrom, and Elias have all started their new number at $8MM as they're all better than Richards and they're all more important to their own teams (or any other).

What's worse is that it makes a guy like gomez or marc savard think he's worth $6-6.5 instead of $4.5-5.
unfortunately, feaster isn't the only dummy out there.

Feaster says F-U to the entire league with this deal. Betteman must want him dead.

The salary cap should and probably will prevent stuff like this but it'll take a few offseasons for some people to realize the mistakes they're making.

I don't think this ruins the rest of the market - here's why:

1. Brad Richards is only 26. Patrik Elias is 30. Big difference. Tampa Bay will be getting these five years in his absolute prime.

2. Brad Richards has a Conn Smythe Trophy. This raises his price by a significant portion - just ask anyone who's won one over the last 10 years. Players who win a Conn Smythe are overpaid by at least 10% generally.

Here's why it does:

Brad Richards' first year can be used in arbitration because he was not yet a UFA. Something has to be done about this - the Leafs did the same thing with Mats Sundin. Players often get this year at a higher salary so that they give up some UFA years.

One thing that Tampa did not do was let the market set a price for Richards. I think he would've gotten in the high 6s.
Remember, the salary cap still dictates market price more than comparable salaries.

That's it for part 1. Stay tuned for part 2 and maybe 3 for the answers to these important questions: Will Patrik hire an agent? Does he want to test free agency? What are his priorities? Do the members of NJDevs feel confident that he'll return? Which teams are after him? And, of course, will he end up signing with the Devils?

Please..for the love of...no spoilers!

Key threads to look back on:
Bad news: Elias has Hep. A
Brad Richards Gets 5/39 Deal
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#1144855 Alexi Yashin Apparently Has a "Concrete Offer" From and NHL Cl

Posted by devilsrule33 on 20 July 2012 - 10:43 AM

Why not Dallas looking to put together the oldest line in NHL history with Whitney - Yashin - Jagr?
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