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#1201733 Rask signed for $8M a year??

Posted by devilsrule33 on 10 July 2013 - 08:02 PM

Wow, that is a big commitment for a goalie with half a year under his belt. Sounds like a Dipietro/Luongo type of mistake.


Do you follow hockey at all?

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#1201134 Devils signs Rod Pelley

Posted by devilsrule33 on 08 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

Was really hoping this was a bumped thread. Alas...

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#1197961 Thank You Jay !

Posted by devilsrule33 on 29 June 2013 - 07:03 PM

Great Devil. Brutal last year and a bit for him in NJ, but did a lot of good things for many years that should never be forgotten. Was a huge contributor to the 2003 Cup team.

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#1194615 2012-2013 NHL Playoffs

Posted by devilsrule33 on 08 June 2013 - 11:20 PM

Hell of a game!! And why any Devils fan was rooting for LA is beyond me. With that said, hats off to the Hawks. Well done.


I don't get why any fan dislikes LA. If you are tired of them sure, but THEM beating the Devils in the finals was irrelevant to me. Only thing that mattered was the Devils losing. Besides, there wasn't one bit of hostility between the teams or the fans during the finals. It was pretty ho-hum. I respected LA for taking care of business. 


I'm happy the Blackhawks won, but it has nothing to do with the 2012 Finals.

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#1188798 Let's Give Elias His Due Tonight

Posted by devilsrule33 on 25 April 2013 - 11:06 AM

There haven’t been many times in franchise history where going into a game, you knew this could be a Devils player’s final home game, and there wasn’t something bigger at stake like trying to keep the season alive. Well tonight, there isn’t much to play for and it very well could be Patrik Elias’ last home game as a Devil. Hopefully it won’t be (and I don’t think it will be), but if it gets to July 1st, there might be some offers that blow him and the Devils away.

Patty has always been an underrated quiet star around the league and even on this team. But in the end, he owns pretty much every offensive record on this team, he’s led the team in scoring 7 times and been part of 2 Stanley Cup winning teams and 2 other Cup finalists. He continues to chug along quietly…playing great two way hockey. When the Devils brought Kovalchuk in, it was Elias leading the team in scoring during that first full-year. When Kovy was getting all the accolades with the team and around the league last season, it was Elias there right behind him and 10th in league scoring. Elias is a guy who has taken a back seat to players here be it Kovy or Parise, but he’s always right there.

There haven’t been many individual nights for him either. When he broke John MacLean’s franchise points’ record, it was unfortunately overshadowed on the same night by Martin Brodeur becoming the winningest goalie in NHL history. When he broke the franchise goal record, it happened on the road and most of his teammates had no clue about it at all. He’s often been disrespected by his own coaches nonetheless. He never had the best relationship with Pat Burns for some reason and the Brent Sutter situation was a black eye for the franchise in my opinion. Sutter, having never coached in the NHL, stripped the captaincy away from a veteran and gave it to a player that wasn’t even with the team throughout training camp and the beginning of the season.  It seems like he is finally back with a coach that truly respects Elias for the leader he is and the incredible hockey player he is.

Tonight, hopefully, Devils fans can vocally do the same. If you are going to the game or know someone who is, or know of anyone to spread the word to, let’s give Elias the proper due he deserves and remind him how much he means to the franchise and the fans. Let’s get some chants going throughout the night to honour the greatest Devils forward of all-time. Maybe we can get something going to other forums or through social media.  He’s a quiet unassuming guy, but I am sure it would mean the world to him as well. He certainly deserves it, regardless if it his last game or not. 

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#1145849 Semin to carolina

Posted by devilsrule33 on 26 July 2012 - 02:38 PM

Krys Barch was always going to be the last move. Don't worry, Barchy's got this.
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#1145451 NJDevs' Devils Retrospect: Elias - It Only Takes One Guy

Posted by devilsrule33 on 23 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

With Zach Parise's unceremoniously departure now behind us, I thought I'd take a look back at another Devils star forward that hit July 1st , Patrik Elias. The one thing I noticed when looking back on Elias' free agency situation was how similar it was to that of Zach Parise's 6 years later. Once again, I'll get help from current and former NJDevs members.

"It only takes one guy to wreck the whole thing and Jay Feaster just did it."

Like Parise, Elias was set to be an RFA a year before he was eligible for unrestricted free agency. And like Parise, Elias first left everyone with some doubt about his health a year before his free agency. In March of 2005, while playing for Magnitogorsk Metallurg in the Russian league, Elias fell ill with Hepatitis A. When news first broke, it was unclear how serious this was. But in the end, his season was done as he lost around 30 pounds and spent a month in a Czech hospital.

After Scott Niedermayer had chosen to leave the Devils and sign with the Anahiem Ducks, Patrik became the centre of attention again. Elias was given a qualifying offer of 1-year and $4.18 million. He could accept it, go to arbitration, or try to bang out a long-term deal (which given the circumstances seemed like a real long shot). Elias was still not close to 100% and was expected to miss the early part of the 05-06 campaign.

Patrik Elias is worth more then the qualifying offer, if he were smart he would go to arbitration take the one year deal and try his luck as a UFA. Gives him more options.

i think that given his health issues, that might be risky. look at a guy like allison who had to sign for $1.5.
i could see lou sign him to a 3 year, $4.5M/year deal now, where he's manageable and this way, is elias doesn't return to form due to hep a, he's set financially.

Amazingly, even with Elias' uncertainty, word was that Lou and Patty were trying to bang out a long-term deal. But in the end, it was not to be, and Elias accepted the 1-year qualifying offer. The thread that followed wasn't much different than the one where Parise and the Devils could only reach a 1-year deal in the summer of 2011. For many, this seemed all too familiar to a year prior when Lou and Niedermayer were unable to reach a deal on a long-term contract, instead settling on a 1-year deal decided by an arbitrator. With Niedermayer's departure barely a few weeks old, it was understandable for any Devils fan to be worried. But many stayed positive given the circumstances that the team and player were dealing with.

Bye-bye Patty.

I'm not getting the best feeling either. I does make sense now for both sides to not do a long-term deal until Patty's health issues are squared away. The Devils won't want to be tied down to a big money long-term deal if he never really comes back from the illness, and the agent has to know he wouldn't get the full value of a healthy Elias if they were to strike a deal now. Waiting is better for both sides.
Hopefully, when they say they will re-open negotiations as soon as they are allowed, they both mean it and really want to work out a long-term deal before the end of the season. :pray:

I don't get all the negativity about Elias staying, just because he didn't sign a long-term deal right this minute that automatically means he's moving on? Like someone pointed out it's really best for both sides to wait, and Elias hasn't given any indication that he's unhappy here (and in fact said he liked that the Devils were willing to talk contract with him under his condition) so I wouldn't automatically assume the worst.

Lou is going to make sure Elias completely recovers from the illness before signing him long term. That's why he qualified him so early to give that message to Elias that he wants him apart of his team for atleast this year but Lou can't predict the future (however he IS God so ya never know) so why waste all that money before you know he can or can't fully recover from his illness?
Elias was very pleased with Lou's early qualifying offer and him and Lou have never bashed heads. I'm not worried.

I think it's a smart move. I mean, c'mon people, it's not like he's getting over the flu. Regardless of A or C, hepatitus is very serious and who knows if his ability will be affected when he comes back. It's not like it was signed out of animosity. It's a smart move because I would much rather the organization be able to cut their losses after 1 season if Elias comes back and isnt effective.

If he is able to play the way he's used to playing, they'll re-negotiate and he'll be back next season. Instead of being so pessimistic, let's have a bit of optimism.

Sounds familar, right? Well, the start of the 05-06 season was a complete clusterfvck. By the end of 2005, the Devils had lost their coach because he was physically too ill to coach them anymore, dismissed two of their three major off-season acquisitions (soon to be 3 with Mogilny), and Patrik Elias had still yet to play one shift. Again, clusterfvck, but actually not so bad in hindsight when compared to the 2010-2011 Devils.

Somehow, as the Devils season came to an end, it was believed that Patrik Elias would be weeks away from a gigantic payday and potentially a maximum cap contract. The belief stemmed partly from Patty's second-half return, where his play almost single-handidly turned the Devils season around all the way to Atlantic Division Champions. Elias finished the season with 45 points in 38 games and added 16 more in just 9 playoff games. But even more concern came from a single contract given out by Jay Feaster a little over a month before free agency was to begin. A contract that many thought would have repercussions throughout the league.

According to TSN.CA, TB gave Brad Richards a 5 year, $39MM deal that pays him $7.8/year. Of course this is ridiculous, but it just put Elias' number right at $8MM and gomez well over $5MM.

It only takes one guy to wreck the whole thing and Jay Feaster just did it.

If Feaster has a job in two years, i'll eat my hat. he has killed TB's future unless they deal St. Louis or Lecavailler.

Chara, Redden, Lidstrom, and Elias have all started their new number at $8MM as they're all better than Richards and they're all more important to their own teams (or any other).

What's worse is that it makes a guy like gomez or marc savard think he's worth $6-6.5 instead of $4.5-5.
unfortunately, feaster isn't the only dummy out there.

Feaster says F-U to the entire league with this deal. Betteman must want him dead.

The salary cap should and probably will prevent stuff like this but it'll take a few offseasons for some people to realize the mistakes they're making.

I don't think this ruins the rest of the market - here's why:

1. Brad Richards is only 26. Patrik Elias is 30. Big difference. Tampa Bay will be getting these five years in his absolute prime.

2. Brad Richards has a Conn Smythe Trophy. This raises his price by a significant portion - just ask anyone who's won one over the last 10 years. Players who win a Conn Smythe are overpaid by at least 10% generally.

Here's why it does:

Brad Richards' first year can be used in arbitration because he was not yet a UFA. Something has to be done about this - the Leafs did the same thing with Mats Sundin. Players often get this year at a higher salary so that they give up some UFA years.

One thing that Tampa did not do was let the market set a price for Richards. I think he would've gotten in the high 6s.
Remember, the salary cap still dictates market price more than comparable salaries.

That's it for part 1. Stay tuned for part 2 and maybe 3 for the answers to these important questions: Will Patrik hire an agent? Does he want to test free agency? What are his priorities? Do the members of NJDevs feel confident that he'll return? Which teams are after him? And, of course, will he end up signing with the Devils?

Please..for the love of...no spoilers!

Key threads to look back on:
Bad news: Elias has Hep. A
Brad Richards Gets 5/39 Deal
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#1144855 Alexi Yashin Apparently Has a "Concrete Offer" From and NHL Cl

Posted by devilsrule33 on 20 July 2012 - 10:43 AM

Why not Dallas looking to put together the oldest line in NHL history with Whitney - Yashin - Jagr?
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#1144130 Hockey players are the worlds toughest athletes

Posted by devilsrule33 on 17 July 2012 - 11:22 PM

As we all know hockey players never get respect from people. We all watch a ton of NHL games and we take for granted the sacrifices these players make. Here is an article about Ian Laperriere and the day he blocked a shot with his eye vs the Devils in game 5 of 2010. Ignore the flyers portion of the article.

On blocking the shot


It's sickening that he was allowed to come back and play. Laperriere is lucky he did not die. Hockey players are tough. Football players are tough. But the culture needs to change where these guys are forced to come back days or weeks after a concussion, and many times, the same game. It's absolutely stupid. I'm not going to sit back and be amazed by this. Scott Stevens returned after missing a few periods after being struck in the side of the head by a Pavel Kubina slapshot. His return was considered heroic here, yet it cost him his career. Paul Kariya missed a period after he went unconscious from a Scott Stevens hit. He also heroically returned -- this time in the same game. That was part of the reason why he retired years before he should have.

No one should have to be showing the youngsters how tough they are by returning after suffering concussions. If Sidney Crosby sat out like he should of after that David Steckel hit, he doesn't suffer a second concussion in a matter of days after taking a Victor Hedman hit. He doesn't put a Hall of Fame career in jeopardy at 23. I remember a few years ago Big Ben Roethlisberger sat out one important game due to a concussion and was called out by many members of his team, who said they had played the next week, or next series, and even the next snap after a concussion. Well there is a reason there are thousands of ex-NFLers suing the league. There is a reason these guys here ringing in their ears still, or are losing their memories in the 30s. Because they were tough and did what teammates and coaches expected them to do. And look where they are now.
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#1143116 NSFW: Cam Janssen interview

Posted by devilsrule33 on 12 July 2012 - 11:06 AM

Moving on from kicking the cock-sucker's ass comment for a moment, it was amazing how many sides you saw of Cam and maybe 'the fighter' in general. I don't want to call it bi-polar, but there was a lot of crazy stuff from when he is fighting to not fighting. The depression stuff is certainly something that needs to be taken care of. After everything that is happened with Boogaard, Rypien, and Belak. When a player in his role said he gets depressed for whatever reason, the Devils and the league should look into it.

I don't know what it is, but these fighters seem like characters from the movie "The Wrestler". That rush of fighting and the crowd response, the teammates response, how it makes them feel, etc is such an incredible rush, and when it isn't there or they don't feel like they can help, how useless they feel. At the same time, you see the stress from guys like Cam from year-to-year just getting an NHL contract and the work that needs to be done to continue to be good at your role. There is no way someone like him can remake his game like a former scorer to a checker. He has to continue to fight. There is nothing else. And perhaps he doesn't want to anymore. But that's the only way he gets another contract. Now I am thinking that is why guys like Peters or Boulton stopped fighting when they got to NJ. Having two years security was so valuable to them that they felt they could loosen the rope on their role. They didn't have to go out and do something they maybe hate just to survive for another year.

All I know is the more and more layers that are peeled back, the more fvcking dark and fvcked up this role in hockey is.

As for doing the interview..this is why Lou doesn't allow this stuff. Even though we got a few great tidbits, he still seemed like a douche for a lot of the time and felt comfortable and relaxed enough to say some comments that could hurt his career. Once again, that is the reason not to do these kind of interviews. But if Cam needs help and can get help, maybe this interview is a positive. He said when he feels down, he needs it because it motivates him, but what happens when he doesn't play or doesn't get an NHL contract, or is sent to the minors? What then?
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#1140216 ‏Zach Parise has agreed to terms with the Minnesota Wild

Posted by devilsrule33 on 04 July 2012 - 05:17 PM

Me again to give another perspective. I got no issues with any jokes about Parise and Suter, but once again I think the quotes are being taken way out of hand. What is wrong with friends talking about playing with each other? You don't think Elias and Sykora ever texted or talked about possibly playing with Zidlicky, or Kovalchuk with many of his Russian buddies, or the Staal brothers, etc. That's something all good friends talk about. Name a player with a good friend, and they have had a conversation playing together, especially during their UFA year.

But don't turn this into they were planning all year to play together or go to Minnesota together. And I doubt Zach was thinking that it was really a possibility, and maybe if it was, why not in New Jersey? If this was as planned as many want to believe, they'd both be in Minny, July 1st, 2012, at 12:30PM.

Zach's not a bad guy, no matter how much you want to make him out to be. Zach's probably not gay, no matter how much you think he is. Zach's not a brainless idiot who can't make decisions for him, no matter how many people think he is. Zach's not a bad player, no matter how many want to say he is. Zach did have a big part in the 2012 playoff run, no matter how people say he didn't. But, Parise is certainly overpaid right now, and am happy the Devils didn't sign him to that kind of money.
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#1139696 Emotional Reaction to Parise Leaving

Posted by devilsrule33 on 04 July 2012 - 12:14 PM

Zach Parise was a consummate professional while he was a Devil. He was the hardest working player I have ever seen and never took a day or game off. I wish all the best in Minny.
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#1139249 ‏Zach Parise has agreed to terms with the Minnesota Wild

Posted by devilsrule33 on 03 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

Zach Parise tells @joshrimerhockey that he's talked to Lou Lamoriello two, three, sometimes four times a day throughout process

In the Toronto Office

Lou: So just take all the time you want. Without question this is a life-changing decision. Certainly, you shouldn't rush it. I'll give you all the time in the world, and if you need anything...anything at all, feel free to call me, be it 3PM or 3AM.

Zach: Alright Lou. Thank you again for your offer and your time today.

As Lou is leaving...

Lou: Wait! Forgot to give you my 2nd cell number. Old forgetful Lou. Getting up there in age....I mean ahhh I feel great, I really do. Not going to retire anytime soon...hahaah. Me, Mr. Vanderbeek, Marty, Johan. We're in for the long haul. And again, there's no money problems here. Mr. Vanderbeek has tons of money. Don't believe me? Watch this. (Lou takes 10 crisp $100 bills out of his wallet and lights them on fire with his lighter) See? Just burnt $1000 cash. Not a big deal because we have lots more where that came from. (As Zach turns around Lou feverishly stomps out the burning bills and scoops the remnants up in to a zip-lock bag and throws it in his pocket) Rememeber you can call anyyyytime!!! I won't be sleeping!!!

Zach: (getting really annoyed) Okay...I get it Lou.

45 min later Zach's phone rings

Lou: Hey Zach, so sorry to bother you, but did I forget my raincoat in the room?

Zach: I don't know, I'll go check now.

Lou: I really really don't want to be a bother to you, so let me just come down there and look for myself. You won't even see me.

Zach: No! I just looked. It's not here, and to be honest I don't really remember you coming in with a raincoat in the first place. I'm in the middle of an important meeting now anyway.

Lou: ahhh that's weird. Well call me!

Zach hangs up the phone and rolls his eyes

3 hours later Zach receives a text

Lou: Guess who's back. Back again. Salvy's back. Tell a friend.

Zach: Oh cool.

Lou: ahah I know, but seriously don't tell a friend or anyone. I don't want any leaks. Just wait for the Devils to announce it.

Zach: It's already on TSN.ca

Lou: fvck!

Lou: Anyway, Had to overpay and give him an extra year, but totally worth it for your BFF!

Zach: Since when have you known how to text?

Lou: Haha. I know it's crazy right? Chris just taught me. This is so much fun! G2G TTYL :dance: :boogie:

3 hours later Zach's phone rings with a call from Lou


Zach: Lou?

Lou: Ahh, hey Zach. Uncle Lou here. Just randomly came across this clip. Remember? Devils-Rangers? Game 6? OT? Eastern Conference Champions? Haha, but you already knew that. Good times. Good times.

Zach: Yes they were Lou. I'm in the middle of dinner though, so I'll talk to you again when we have a decision. (Hangs up)

5 minutes later the phone rings again from Lou's number but Zach puts it straight to voicemail. It then rings again from a blocked number, and Zach answers it.

Lou: Oh sorry Zach. I screwed up. I feel terrible. I should have played a clip from a goal you scored. fvck fvck fvck. I'm so sorry. I don't think Henrique's better than you or the future of the team. It's all you baby. You want Henrique traded? Okay it's done. He's gone. It was just such a big goal and such a huge moment in franchise history. I just have that on tape recorder that I taped straight from the TV. I couldn't get a clip from you online on such short notice. I have no clue how that works and Chris is out busy surely locking up Vladimir Zharkov to a new deal. It's pretty much done. Boy has never let me down.......so I couldn't ask him on such short notice. Please don't be mad at me!

Zach: If you call me one more fvcking time, I will announce the Devils are out of the running, and I'll go to Pittsburgh, or Minny, or Detroit, or Philly, or Chicago or whoever else is rumoured on Twitter. I'll even call up the Rangers and ask to sign with them. End of story (Hangs up the phone).

Lou: Well that's not good. I fvcked up big time. Oh well..I know what'll cheer me up. (Opens his door to find his secretary) Linda! Get me Eric Godard's agent on the phone immediately.
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#1138335 ‏Zach Parise has agreed to terms with the Minnesota Wild

Posted by devilsrule33 on 02 July 2012 - 05:40 PM

I'm so sick of any talk about loyalty. There is next to no loyalty in sports. There is rarely loyalty from GMs to players, players to GM. Players sign a long-term deal and ask to be traded the soon things get bad. Players sign a long-term deal without a NTC and get dealt immediately months after buying a new home and getting settled, or promises made to them by the GM and owners are not kept. And there is certainly no loyalty between players and fans. Fans jump on players the second their production is down, no matter what they have accomplished, not even thinking about what's going on be it a messy divorce, a family member being sick, any other personal thing, or playing through an injury.

No matter where Zach goes, he'll be considered a traitor. If he takes the cash in Minny, he'll be the new Holik, but how many people can pass on perhaps 15-20+ million more, a chance to play in your home state and be considered a local hero for a passionate fanbase that has deserved so much more than they have gotten. If he goes to Pittsburgh, he'll be a loser that doesn't want to write in his own history and instead be a third banana, even though it's a great opportunity and a chance to play on a line with the best player in the game. But if he stays in NJ, he'll be cheered for a while until the first time his level of play dips, and people will be ripping the contract and saying what a poor decision it was to pay top dollar for an overrated NHLer. How quickly did fans get on Kovalchuk, be it with boos in the arena or message board rants?. Didn't one fan throw his jersey on the ice? This isn't a knock on Devils fans specifically, just the way it is with all fans. The first extended slump, it's happening in the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately sports world. It's really a lose-lose.

In the end, Zach Parise doesn't owe much to this organization or fanbase. Yes they drafted him but if they didn't, it be the next team picking or the next after that. Since day 1 he's been a consummate professional, a class act and given it his all every single team he got on the ice. He's now a free agent and has the opportunity to chose any team he desires. That's his right he's been given. He's going to make the best decision for himself. Regardless what many people here think, he isn't going to be brainwashed by his agents or his father. He'll seek guidance, but he can figure things out himself. He knows what NJ has to offer be it the good or bad. But put yourself in his position being wooed like possibly no free agent in NHL history. There are no right or wrong choices from the teams involved. This is the rest of his career we are talking about, so he should take as long as he needs.
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#1134738 ‏Zach Parise has agreed to terms with the Minnesota Wild

Posted by devilsrule33 on 23 June 2012 - 07:00 PM

Why is it laughable? What's the explanation?
I've yet to hear one other than the validity of the call or non-call?

Just tell me where the offense from the back end is coming from other than Zidlicky?

As for Greene, I haven't typed his name in over a year - but why argue logic when you can simply - roll out the NJDEVs bias history right?

I don't think we have anything we need to get Yandle done - but I also wouldn't have believe the Michalek or JVR trade returns the past few days either.

I'd start the conversation with Zubrus/Tedenby/Josefson... (which won't get it done).

That's the issue. You crap on him when he is down but never came back to say you might have been wrong. You crap on the board for being spoiled fans who complain too much and are negative, yet you were AWOL the entire playoff run and never pump any tires of anyone on the team.

As for your logic. You want them to pass on Parise to try and get Yandle by trading some other good forwards while we watch Elias decline, Clarkson obviously regress, etc. Doesn't make much sense at all. The Devils simply don't have what it takes to get Yandle anyway.

It was a bad penalty kill. sh!t happens. The Devils were out of gas, and there were a few mistakes. Big deal. That penalty kill is fvcking irrelevant when it comes to any personnel decisions for this team moving forward.

As for offense from the back end. Zidlicky is a gigantic upgrade over a full year. And others have said Larsson has some nice offensive instincts as well. No one is relying on some magic Salvador run, and that's why he is probably gone in just over a week. But those kind of magic runs happen to every team on a Cup run.
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