HellOnICE

Two is still 30 positive digits more than Kovy's +/-

yea but they say one is the lonliest number.

Yeah the same guy calling for common decency is name calling. Makes perfect sense. And I'm the 12 yr old...

You're not really grasping the context here. If you think saying you suck to betteman is the same as doing to someone on the street then you're an idiot. I can't argue w someone who thinks like that.

Oh so you're gona conveniently cite media speculation as your basis for having an opinion on club policies? Ah I see. So media speculation validate things for you, but actual facts like Betteman stating he wants to move us to Nashville, or his poor communication w the devils and its fans, and subsequent penalties doled out to us, don't work for you. You keep living in that fairy world of yours...

I know you are but what am I?

You know John McMullen was the one who was going to move the team right?

Also one example of this was the Devils going home in between playoff games one season, I believe they were fined.

You don't know Bettman from the hole in your head. The guy has a job, he does it. From Gary's POV - Why should the Devils be around? They've only won 15 years in a row, and no one shows up and have struggled to stay in the black.

Oh and keep calling me gay. I appreciate it. f@g f@g just say it..I GET IT. FAIRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

Right but the president, whoever it may be, isn't trying to purposefully screw people over or contract your city lol. It's not very comparable. Brian rolston on the other hand would not be booed by me because he's not trying to screw us over. That said, if someone wanted to say that to his face then that goes w the lucrative profession he's in.

Also how do you know the President doesn't try to screw people?

George Bush doesn't care about black people, don't you know that.

All this talk about respect for Marty. I am not a big fan of Marty, no surprise, I never respected his off ice performance in the bars with girls, or what he did with his sister-in-law, a lot of kids looked up to him not suck a good example. As for his goaltending,  I have always thought he was a product of the Devils game plan "defense first" without that style he wouldn't be as good. I also thought he had the best defensemen (thanks Devils) in front of him and that improved his performance and numbers. He was always playing every game because the defensemen and Devils style kept the workload down, remember the trap? Marty was always having problem with the glove side and it has only gotten worse because of age. When he became bigger than the team with his MB30 it was always about him, and he rarely took fault. BTW he hasn't played well since bringing on the MB30. The NHL shootout gave more wins to him only not fair if it's a team sport but he personal records IMO got in the way of the team. His poor performance in the last olympics and his poor play during the past first rounds since the lockout focus a lot of attention on him and his performance. His ego is big and IMO it hurts the team. He has been accused of managing his time in goal and management couldn't stop him, and he has been accused of being part of team decisions and dumping coaches.

So for what it's worth he doesn't have my respect. Yes, I think he is a good goalie in the top 5 but never number 1 because it wasn't all him but he takes all the credit. I know what he says and I don't believe him it is the thing to say.

IMO he created his own monster. IMO what you see today is an aging goalie that was a product of the Devils system and great defensemen in front of him.

BTW there isn't a Devils forum that Devils fans aren't speaking negatively about Marty so it isn't unique to this forum as suggested by some.

Oh god shut the fvck up already. What an idiot. What he does in bars with girls? What he did with his wife? Who gives a sh!t? Honestly. Mr. fvcking high horse. Get off it you piece of garbage. I'm sure you're an angel.

You see what you want to. Your first sentence says it all. You have never had respect for the guy, never gave him a fairshot, can talk until the cows come home about his defense was the only thing saving him from a career like Trevor Kidds. The bottom line was it wasn't. The guy is hall-of-famer whether you like it or not, is regarded by GOALIES and HOCKEY PEOPLE alike to be in the top 5 all time.

Has he played well? Not really this season. Has he had the playoff success post-lockout? No. If you're trying to relate that to the loss of Stevens/Niedermayer - you may have a point. But to base the whole point that he was a product of a system, is such fvcking hindsight garbage. The truth of it is - it doesn't matter. He won 3 cups, a gold medal, and was INSTRUMENTAL in all 4. He's the shutout king, the wins leader, and so on.

But the last few, depsite the season he was hurt, there were largely times he was the only one standing in between us being blown out of the water. This season we're seeing now what should've have happened a lot sooner.

ANd yes, he's getting older, and slower, and breaking down - but for the fanbase to jump on him like this is fvcking disgraceful and makes me sick.

This is no different than the majority of Devils fans who couldn't find APPRECIATION if it hit them in the fvcking head. Same people who boo Niedermayer, Gionta, and so on. We are by far the dumbest fan base in the league, as a whole.

He's allowed to be criticized but this feeding frenzy, and piling on is disgraceful.