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In Topic: BEER

27 February 2015 - 12:22 AM

Generally I feel like Maine is overpriced.  Their beers are pretty good but I haven't found any of them to be amazing.

In Topic: So long, Corsi and Fenwick, we hardly knew ye

23 February 2015 - 11:48 AM

I agree that it's great that the NHL wants to be the place to go for all NHL stats, but what was the point of changing the names of the stats? That's just confusing imo, but maybe it's a legal issue where they needed a reason to say it's proprietary.

I've always thought that the thing keeping these stats from being more widely used is the names of them.  If you need to look up the definition of the statistic, it's not going to catch on easily.  It makes it far less confusing because everyone knows what a shot attempt and an unblocked shot attempt are.  Most people have no idea what a Corsi and a Fenwick are.

In Topic: BEER

13 February 2015 - 01:03 AM

While we're on the topic of sports bars not having a great selection, another pet peeve of mine is when there are a few craft choices, but the bartenders are not given any description of what they are, or the menu just lists breweries and not the actual beers.  "Sierra Nevada" and "Dogfish Head" are not beers.  Usually at these places you can assume it is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Dogfish Head 60 Minute, but it would be nice if you didn't have to make assumptions.  One bar I went to had a menu that included "Ithaca Beer," so I asked the bartender which beer from Ithaca it is, and his response was, "some dark beer."  I ordered it anyway, turned out it was their apricot wheat beer, which is not dark by any means.

In Topic: BEER

11 February 2015 - 06:11 PM

Either way, I'd prefer not to give any money to the big guys who try to beat craft beer by outlobbying, outlegislating, and outlitigating them rather than just making better beer.  Even if the quality of the breweries they buy doesn't drop off, there are still too many good beers out there for me to change my mind on that.

In Topic: BEER

11 February 2015 - 01:30 AM

Do you happen to know which states have the laws that are against self-distribution?  I am actually interested to know if perhaps one of the main reasons is due to unions and they do not want to lose jobs with the drivers.  If most of the states that have these laws against self-distribution are in the Northeast and Great Lakes states then that would be a major reason I believe.


As for cutting corners, I mean yeah that could happen, but it really hasn't happened yet.  Goose Island sold its controlling stake to AB back in 2011 but I have yet to notice a decline or change in quality and you would think it would have happened by now.  I am not sure InBev and the others are purchasing these brands just to grab the recipe and cut corners and fool customers.  They have already done that and for a lot cheaper with those fake "craft beers" like Miller did with the Batch 19 and the like.  It makes no sense to not continue to allow these breweries to keep doing what they are doing as the value is in the quality.


Also I am not too worried about the loss of competition only because I do not think it is fiscally possible inBev and the others to buy all the craft beers out.  There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of national craft breweries, regional craft brewers, micro and nano brewers and brewpubs that make their own beer for just their bar.  They would have to spend an insane amount of $ just to buy them all up.  Coke and Pepsi may dominate the soda industry, but it is not hard to find alternatives to them even with their dominance. 

I don't know every state that has senseless laws like that, but here are a couple examples:


"Brewpubs, for example, must sell their beer to distributors and buy it back to sell it at remote, unlicensed locations, such as fairs and other public events."


"Furthermore, neither brewpubs nor production breweries can sell their distribution rights...Some of the better-established craft brewers want the option to sell their distribution rights so that they can use the proceeds to expand production capacity and grow their brands."


The same article also shows that a law was passed in 2013 that raised the limits of production for self-distributing, but I still don't see why there is a need to prevent breweries from self-distributing if they produce over a certain amount.  There is also a limit on how much of your beer you can self-distribute.



This was a bill that didn't become law, but did pass the state senate that would require breweries to buy their own beer back from distributors if they want to sell it on site.  An exception was made for Anheuser-Busch, of course.


"Sen. Kelli Stargel (R-Lakeland) sponsored Senate Bill 1714 requiring craft brewers to sell their beer to a distributor and buy it back even if the beer stays at the brewery. She said an exception was made years ago for the Busch Gardens theme park, which brews beer on site, so it could sell its beer at that venue."


Supposedly Rolling Rock was never the same after InBev bought it, though I am dubious that it was ever that good to begin with.  I'm not an economics expert, but I don't think they would need to buy a ton of breweries to have a big negative impact on craft beer, probably just a few of the bigger ones like Sierra Nevada, Dogfish Head, New Belgium, etc.


Yeah I'm not sure why everyone gets up in arms about Inbev buying a couple breweries. There's a ton of hypocrisy from beer snobs who say they'll never buy Elysian anymore. Yet I can honestly say there is not a more sought after beer than Bourbon County. Nothing even comes close.

And let's not kid ourselves and act like everyone went nuts for Elysian in the first place. Bifrost sold okay, so did space dust, as well as their pumpkins. But no one goes crazy over their products. Its not like inbev bought Dogfish or Sierra.

If the beer is good people are going to drink it. Yes there will be the people who say they don't want to support the big companies, but do these people only take the moral high ground with beer? Do they shop at home depot instead of the mom and pop hardware store? Do they buy their clothes from Target or Walmart instead of the little department store?

Its just really silly when people think that Inbev and MillerCoors are going to try and buy up all the craft breweries and abolish them like a bunch of Nazis. There's over 3000 craft breweries in America. If a big company buys up your favorite brewery and you don't like it, guess what, there's about 300-400 other breweries that distribute to your area, try something new. That's why I rarely ever keep the same products on the shelf. I'll give just about every brewery its fair shot.

What store do you work at?  You really think Bourbon County is the most sought after beer?  Heady Topper, either Pliny, Westvleteren 12, Dark Lord?  It's not even the most sought after beer of its own style--what about KBS and especially CBS?


I think Elysian makes some of the best pumpkin beers, so I am bummed about the InBev takeover.  They didn't buy Dogfish Head, but they did try to and after the owner refused to sell the brewery, they hit him with frivolous lawsuits over naming rights for Punkin and Chicory Stout.


If you must ask, yes I do go to my local hardware store instead of Home Depot, and I never go to Walmart and almost never go to Target.

My decision to stop buying from breweries that are owned by InBev and MillerCoors isn't so much because I am afraid of them buying all the breweries, it's because I don't want to help fund craft beer's biggest enemy.  I don't want to help pay for their fleet of lawyers trying to come up with ways to make craft beer more expensive and less accessible. 


It is hard to think that they care a whole lot about their craft beer products after watching their latest Super Bowl ad attempting to bash craft beer.  They knocked "pumpkin peach beer," which Elysian happens to brew.  If they are slamming their own newly-acquired products in their own ads, how can we have that much confidence that they will uphold their quality in the longrun?