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Pepperkorn

Member Since 09 Sep 2002
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In Topic: Lou is New Toronto GM

24 July 2015 - 03:18 PM

I already tried similar logic Chuck. 

 

These guys just enjoy the banter -- well - not banter - the stating and restating of the same point in different ways trying in vain to prove themselves "right"  Someone really should give out a prize for "The NJDevs poster who was RIGHT today" so at least there is a point to it all. :evil:

In Topic: So now that Lou is gone...

24 July 2015 - 02:28 PM

a)  Thank you  :evil:

 

b)  That goes against the whole out with the old thing.  Maybe something in yellow and black would be nice? 

In Topic: Tom Fitzgerald named Assistant GM

24 July 2015 - 02:22 PM

It's not, actually.  SD left out some things.  Like players having more and more opportunities to decide to play where they want to.  If the previous generations of players had those same opportunities for the same salaries, you can bet they would've taken advantage.  I can guarantee you that some terrific players who had to endure playing on bad teams year after year after year (sometimes for entire careers) because they had no say in where they played would've loved to have been playing in the present time period.  They didn't stay with their teams completely out of loyalty and because they were all swell guys.  They stayed because they had no choices, didn't know any better and became products of their environments, and way back in the day didn't think to fight for free agency rights and the rest.  Owners often treated their players like sh!t back in the "good ol' days"  

 

As for divorce...same thing.  Do you really think people stayed together back in the day simply because they were loyal?  Women often stayed with men because they simply couldn't support themselves in what was a limited job market for them.  Career opportunities were not lucrative enough to support a family if they had kids.  Even obviously abused women often stayed in marriages because they felt like they had nowhere else to go, or were simply that terrified to leave.  That must have been great for the kids of families like that.  Yeah, high divorce rates does cheapen the whole institution of marriage somewhat, and some people probably don't put as much effort into their marriages as they should, but part of the whole "increased divorce thing" is people actually realizing life is too damned short to stay trapped in miserable and hopeless situations, and because they are better able to handle the financial hardships and other issues that come with divorce, they aren't staying in it for the sake of staying in it. 

AWE!  now Sterio gets to not think about his statement and just say "YEAH!  That's what I meant"  I don't think he did though.  But it's good you significantly improved upon the moral tone :evil:

In Topic: Tom Fitzgerald named Assistant GM

24 July 2015 - 02:18 PM

Well -- I just read Holik's comments -- I thought he was going to say some crap about loyalty.

 

He actually said something very similar to what I said in the other thread.

 

I also have to disagree with your take on it Maddog - I didn't feel that Holik's comments were hypocritical. To me, they came from a place of experience. He's probably been influenced into making the sh!tty choices and found it was self-defeating and dissatisfying. It's probably disheartening for him to see all of society is moving in a very hollow, dissatisfying direction - and they will be influencing people who are looking to actually  be mindful, thoughtful, intellectually engaged in the process.

 

Sterio I really like that it was you that drew those parallels. You clearly understand the benefits of disloyalty. With all of your negative rants about the teams struggles and the celebrations following Lou stepping down, I had felt you were clearly comfortable with, and probably even embraced these kinds of values. Why tolerate discomfort -- ever?  Right?  I do get a sense you've been questioning why it is disloyalty leaves you feeling uncomfortable. I hope you figure that out and don't just flat out embrace "If it feels good do it" or some worse kind of philosophy. As an artist I'm sure you have a sense that public opinion in the moment is not always correct. Profit is not equivalent to quality or brilliance of vision or longevity.  Fandom is one thing - but the connections you drew spurred me to this comment.

In Topic: Lou is New Toronto GM

24 July 2015 - 01:23 PM

because reD wants all the old Penguins instead  :P