squishyx

All it took was one email to save newspapers and websites from making a mistake. It was either incompetence or a willful blind eye that had them jumping on Romney for this comment.

A NYT pool reporter being honest doesn't change all the sources that printed a "gotcha" piece on something they didn't check on and got wrong.

Obviously it's a guess, but I feel that scenario is much less likely to happen with Obama.  The media would wait to verify or get a campaign response before running it.

Why is it that every time a republican screws up it's a "gotcha" moment media conspiracy. Whenever a democrat does the same it's proof of incompetence?

This Romney window thing is bad both ways though, either (a) he's a dolt or (b) an insensitive jerk who is making jokes right after telling everyone that his wife was choking from lack of oxygen on an emergency landing. And he wasn't even prompted to say any of this, but yet blah blah blame the media for you know, re-telling what happened.

http://www.weeklysta...ads_652973.html


Just another of millions of examples.  

Beating you down is hardly grasping at straws.  You're funny.

On Romney Windows:

Ashley Parker, a New York Times reporter who filed on the comments, tells New York magazine that "it was clear from the context that he was not being serious."

Damn liberal press! always attacking republicans... waiit....

As for the complete video being out.....that is only partially correct.  There is a gap in the video so we aren't seeing the whole thing.  Link.  So before you declare this as a stake in the heart, consider the integrity of the video.  

Do I think it's game over? No, I think it's been game over and people will look back on this moment and try to claim this was what did him in. Certainly I think everyone would agree it's going to hurt him in the final results.

As for authenticity, I've listened to the both parts, unless during that 1-2 minute interlude Romney said "Just kiidding! I don't mean anything I said for the previous 30 min and nothing I'm about to say for the next 10" there's nothing that would have mitigated what he said. He wasn't taken out of context, and it's not twisted to show one thing when he was trying to say another. The source is fine, all though I understand why conservatives are desperate to change to conversation to anything else (invalid source, Obama said this, Obama said that).

I'm willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt that when he said it wasn't his job to care about the 47%, that he was referring to their votes not their lives; but his accusations that the 47% are just looking for handouts stands.

More food for thought on the irony:
http://blogs-images....er.taxfound.jpg

That's not the point. It's the fact that he says that he doesn't care about them that people are in an uproar about. Hey, I'll give the guy credit for being honest about how he feels, but isn't it the job of the President to "care" about the entire country and not just those who his ideology speaks to and who vote for him? "And so my job is not to worry about those people." So, he only worries about people who are living better? As Linda McMahon said in her response to the video (and I get that she's running in a very blue state) that the majority of people on the take from the gov't don't want to be in that position, but are forced to because of the hand they've been dealt.

That's what's so interesting as to how the right is reiterating the Obama quote about a segment of the right "clinging to guns and religion". They don't play the full quote, where he goes on to say that he still cares about them despite the differences in that respect. The entire Romney video is out now and nothing is taken out of context or made into a soundbite (which both sides of the media hammered Obama for in 2008).

In Romney's defense, I believe he was talking about their vote, not the people as a whole. As in "it's not worthwhile to spend time trying to win over the 47%". That's obviously a bullsh!t statement in it's own right, Romney needs a large portion of that base to vote for him or this election will be a landslide.

What I find pretty objectionable is his description of the 47%, basically saying they are moochers off society when it's patently untrue. Half of the 47% are seniors who have paid SS and medicare taxes their entire lives. Of the other half of the 47% most still pay FICA, unemployment, state, local, city, property taxes. I pay federal income tax, but I don't feel superior to those who don't. I'm sad that they aren't making enough money to meet the level to pay. When the average Salary is $26,000 dollars, and the Average family is making $45,000 the problem is not who isn't paying taxes, it's why aren't they getting paid enough to pay taxes.

Squishy, you are clearly forgetting the Fox News leads in CABLE news, their rating have yet to touch the "Big 3" who are clearly controlled by and advocate for the left, as they have done for decades.

Are people really of the opinion that the local news at 7 is in the tank for Obama? I can't remember the last time I even watched network news let alone saw something with a political tint.

But point taken, you are correct I was referring to cable news.

You mostly answered your own question, he definitely did not expect those comments to leave the room.  But also, you say it to pander for contributions.  You get people to go from planning to donate $800 to donating $1,400, that's why you would talk to them that way

I disagree.  As Chuck Todd of NBC pointed out last night, Obama had a similar incident with the "cling to their guns and religion" comment last time, and even though a big fuss was made of that and it certainly hurt him, it wasn't that terrible of a blow and he won anyway.

I immediately thought of the guns and religion comment Obama made.

I think it will play out differently though because (a) in my personal view, Obama's comment while dumb, isn't quite as inflammatory as Romney's (my honest opinion), (b) the people Obama insulted, weren't voting for him anyway, it's a little different when you claim half the country are looking for handouts and © Obama made the comment back in the primaries, the country had 7-8 months to forget about it.

Well, considering the media was caught themelves on audio plotting against Romney, any misttep and the media will relentlessly attack him, like they do all Republicans.

I wish conservatives would stop playing the media victim card. The most watched cables news network is foxnews, the radio airwaves are dominated by conservative talk shows, and the internet is the ever equalizer for reporting stories. The "relentless media" works for both sides, they are about ratings (which is fine).

Meanwhile, all you see and hear is crickets and tumbleweeds from the media over the fact that Obama and his State Dep't knew for a minimum of two days that there was a plot against our embassies, yet we chose not to notify our staffs there.......but don't worry, Prez Advisor Valerie Jarrett had a full protective detail while vacationing in Martha's Vineyard......at least we're secure knowing she's safe.

There isn't much evidence to back up what you are saying, just idle speculation for now. Just like their is speculation that Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks before they happened. It's a pretty big jump to suggest the US would knowingly allow their embassies to be overran (or their towers to be attacked). It just doesn't jive with the follow up; sending in special forces to protect various facilities immediately after. We are willing to use FAST teams after the attacks but not before? a little common sense goes a long way here. When something more then "a senior diplomatic source" comes out then is deserves more attention, or its own thread...

---
As for Romney, he's got a real problem. Of that 47%, half are seniors who probably aren't going to like the fact he basically called them moochers. He needs a lot of that 47% probably a third by my estimate because he was never going to win the other 53% outright.

Page not found! French trap!

fixed

Zach didn't really accomplish much during his tenure here, and that's a shame. I won't boo him, but i certainly won't cheer. Really he doesn't even deserve a response, now he's just another guy in the league that's in our way, so all I want from that game is 2 points.

I hope he announces "No announcement today, come back tomorrow"

So the Devils are constantly rumored for ownership issues when the clowns in LI and Edmonton are allowed to run the only two dynasties of NHL through dirt. Boggles the mind that NHL doesn't take ownership.

The NHL shouldn't be owning any franchise.

"Unless of course he was going to bring it to the dressing room so Jersey players could take turns hurling it at Steve Bernier."
This made me laugh

We only scored 3 goals in the first 3 games against the Rangers, hopefully our offense has just hit a rut and will explode over the next 4 games.

he didnt go to prove a point that he feels government is screwing people over, though hes a republican, he thinks its both sides. most people who pick a side mindlessly vote for that side thinking it will help them out. good for him to see it how it is, both sides screw us and take away sh!t day by day. the only stupid part of the whole thing is he assumes the president, demorcratic or republican , has any real control over anything. and in a way, it is a political event, sure its just hte president meeting with the champions, but every president does it and its just a press op to make them look good, distract people from real news etc.

ghdi basically summed up my view on it. just because the president is involved doesn't make something political, they have been greeting champions for how many decades now? How often do you get to meet the president of the United States? but whatever that's a personal choice and I think he was just foolish to pass it up but to each his own.

What was selfish and stupid on his part was releasing a statement about it, and then defending it a number of times there after. It really distracted from the achievement and honor that his team had accomplished and was bestowed. Even if you don't want to go, be quiet about it, lie and say you were sick, or had a previous personal family issue to attend too or something if for nothing else not to take away from your teammates moment.

Page 10 of this thread is pretty funny.