Late to the party but some of the Marty hate earlier in this thread is really sad. It's one thing to be disappointed in him/his recent comments but jeez the guy still wears a devils uniform and is one of the best ever.
problem is that you're looking at this comparing results. AFTER our cup run that's not where the mistake was made, it was way before that. Go back to that summer when Lou made the decision, he didnt know he'd make it to the cup finals. I dont think nobody really thought we could make it either.
And dont get me wrong with what you said that i said. Of course i enjoyed the cup run but ultimately the results of that is years and years of failures so far and it's not about to get that much better.
no offense, but imo this is one of the most ridiculous arguments you have ever made. When we discuss things now, we have the benefit of hindsight, so to ask us to go back to the summer of 2011, pretend we have no idea how the coming season will play out, and argue Lou should have gotten rid of our captain and best player who was coming off a serious injury is so outrageously twisting and contorting events to try and service your point of view.
Seriously, it's like Lou can never win in your eyes. Even when he puts a team together that gets to within two wins of a Stanley cup, he should have had the foresight to realize he didn't have a good team and should have sold low on zach before the season. Do you realize how outrageously ridiculous that is?
More and more it just seems like you have an agenda against Lou. I realize lately there have been some questionable moves but if you were here in 2011 and arguing that zach should be traded, he proved you wrong by putting together a team that made a deep run.
the majority of Olympic sports are based on two final heats. being the best in the world doesn't guarantee anything. skaters and alpine skiers fall once and are OUT! you need to rise to the moment, which, imo , is exciting and unpredictable
right on, you're not necessarily determining the best at something- in the words of rick moranis as the immortal danny o'shea in the 1994 classic little giants- "the cowboys may beat you 99 times out of a hundred, but that still leaves one time."
The Olympics isn't really about determining the best (otherwise the soviets would have won in 1980) it's about seeing who can win on any given day in a short tournament. Heck you could go as far as saying that in the nhl the presidents trophy winner should be awarded the cup if you just want it to go to the best team.
No, there's nothing wrong with being optimistic. However, it gets annoying talking to someone who refuses to actually acknowledge the reality of the situation.
And trust me, I'm close to doing so.
The same can be said about the entire season thus far - and it's left the Devils right where they are, significantly (imo) back from the last playoff spot. I mean, there's just not enough reason for me to believe (despite my sig - letting you down here MB30) that it'll all suddenly click. I hope it does - I would love to be eating massive, ungodly amounts of crow in two months.
You can play this hypothetical situation out a million different ways - maybe the Devils don't trade Jagr, and he gets hurt and misses the rest of the season. Or maybe he completely rebels against PDB and destroys the locker room. Obviously exaggerated and unlikely scenarios, but.. you hopefully get what I'm trying to say here.
We'll have to agree to disagree - I'd rather the Devils acquire picks/prospects (regardless of the chance of the players amounting to something) than see Vets play out their contracts. Maybe you get a late 1st for Jagr, a 2nd for Zidlicky, a 3rd/4th for Fayne - maybe Lou can make a package to move up in the 1st round with these assets. It's obviously alllll hypothetical - but I'd rather see the Devils take this route.
fair enough... Believe me if there is a plate of crow for you and others in a few weeks mike and I and others would love to serve it to you nice and hot!
A .660 point% the rest of the way gets them to the 92-point sweet spot. Tall order for a team that's currently at .518 for the season.
Not saying that a .660 point% is impossible, but it does mean the Devils can't slog through any more of the 3-3-3 stretches like the one they're on right now. Or go on a 0-2-3 run where some will say, "Hey, at least they got some points!" A stretch like that means they'll have to come with 70%+ in the other games, and unless a lot of guys suddenly start finding the back of the net consistently, I don't think they can do that.
right, which is why we're only a 42% chance to make it. But to be fair most if the teams above us have been consistently mediocre as well. There's a reason everyone is hovering around the 57-59 point range.
I would also argue that outside of the stadium game were playing by far our best hockey this season right now, no coincidence that we're healthy at the same time.
Good thread and I respect your opinions, my biggest disagreement is zajac. As others have said in many ways he is the best player on the team (obv that's not saying much with our lack of top flight talent).
The fact that the team doesn't have a first line center also can't be held against zajac. He is probably one of the best 2nd line centers in the league, but unfortunately people look at him as our first since we don't have anyone else.
And with the new cba (the cap is expected to rise at record levels in the coming years), 5.75 is good value for a top 2nd line center.
If you bring in gagner he would be our 3rd line center. Zajac and henrique are here long term. I would not trade Larsson or Merrill for a third line center, would much rather be patient and wait until the both develop into top pairing defensemen.
Not only are there at least 2-3 examples in the previous pages, but I heard a ton of people at the game last night who seemed annoyed that we landed a big sponsorship deal and Kevin Clark just had to announce it; like nothing our new owners do is good enough... not to mention seeing plenty of those kinds of comments on Facebook, etc... But yeah there are enough examples here and I really don't feel like quoting and getting into personal spats with anyone.
I'm just of the opinion that this kind of announcement IS a big deal, and it probably means more to our franchise and our finances than we little ones comprehend at the moment.
Edit: there's way more than 2-3 examples. I really don't wanna get in a tit-for-tat with anyone so I won't post the 8 blatant examples of F'ing useless whining that I just "Multiquoted", calling people out personally doesn't really do any good for anybody.
I agree with you, I think anyone complaining about the deal is not looking big picture or is stuck in the past. It just seems to me that the vast majority here favor it and, most importantly, think it signifies a big step for the organization as far as being progressive.
I've said it before: less than 5% of the fanbase even knows this board exists, and a fraction of them post actively here. To make blanket statements saying our fanbase is hypocritical or can never be pleased based off of this small percentage is ridiculous.
To say you have "specific posters in mind" and then extrapolate that to reflect the whole fanbase is doing exactly what you are criticizing- your complaining about something that isn't an issue.