Parise only signed the one year deal for the express purpose of showing other teams he was healthy so he could land the big payday. He had no intention of staying here, it just would make no sense to sign a long term deal coming off a season missed due to injury.
Lou had NO CHANCE of retaining him. Personally, I'd have traded him during the one year deal.
I just happened across a feature on hockey-reference.com, where they take the statistics of a given player and compile a list of "Players with careers of similar quality and shape". The ones listed for Patrik are:
Adam Oates (HOF)
Mark Messier (HOF)
Dale Hawerchuk (HOF)
Bernie Geoffrion (HOF)
Bryan Trottier (HOF)
The ones who are already in are noted. Regarding the others:
Kariya has less goals (402) and less assists (587)
Mogilny has a goal edge (473) but less assists (559)
Federov has an edge in both goals (483) and assists (696), but not as big a disparity as I would have expected. Ditto with Roenick, although I knew he had over 500 goals (513 and 703 respectively).
Alfredsson edges him out also (444 and 713).
I think Federov, Roenick, and Mogilny are near certain to get in. I think Alfredsson has an excellent chance. Kariya's numbers are less but his career was also short by comparison,15 seasons, but one was a lockout year and two of them were only 22 and 11 games played, I assume due to injury. And he lost the same year that everyone else lost, 2004-05.
Looking at those numbers, and if you take the site's statistical comparison as accurate, the argument in favor of Patrik is pretty compelling.
I have a really high standard for hall of fame- so even though I'm a huge patty fan I don't think he measures up.
The problem is that the bar for HOF has been lowered over the year- In numbers alone IMO he shouldn't have a case. But because a guy like sundin is in it all of a sudden makes Elias have a shot.
Also I'd add that if patty didn't have the two lockouts and he played on a more offensive minded team for most of his career, I'm sure he is a HOFer. But that was not the case.
I'll hope he gets in because he's one of my favorite players.
Sundin's stats bury Patrik's. 564/785/1349 in 1346 games. Only had less than 30 goals 5 out of 17 years, two of those being Half seasons (one of which he still got 23).
Patrik is 403/607/1010 in 1210 games over 19 seasons.
Patrik has the Cups, but nowhere near the numbers. If you think Sundin is borderline, Elias doesn't get in unless he pays for admission.
I also don't think "he could have done more without the lockouts" is a valid line of reasoning. There's plenty of guys who outplayed Elias that sat out those same lockouts. So really it's true of everyone so it's irrelevant in terms of HOF consideration.
Truthfully, the thing I find funniest about this issue is how polarizing it is.
Also, if you are worried that your friends judge you in some way based on things that other people whom you don't even know are chanting, you might want to consider getting some better friends. If you didn't do it, what difference does it make to you what your friends think?
I'll throw in some comments on the anti-family angle this thread has taken.
I have a 7 year old daughter, so far I have only taken her to one game. The YS chant is something I can easily explain, if I needed to. I am pretty sure she's probably heard the word "suck" used in that context before, in a movie or on TV (where I am able to supervise but you can't catch everything), or more likely, in school or at one of her activities, which often involve older kids.
"Flyers Swallow" is a little harder to explain, but its easy enough to distract her from hearing that because you know it's coming. Not to mention, when that many people are saying something, and you don't know what it is, you can't always make it out anyway. Especially if you are seven.
From a parent's perspective, its a little more difficult to handle the drunk morons who spend the entire game yelling "Crosby's a jerk" for three periods for no apparent reason (this is based on actual experience, luckily she wasn't at that game). I mean seriously, is he that much of a jerk that you had to yell it for two hours? That's just obnoxious whether you have a kid with you or not.
All of the above being said, as a parent, you KNOW there will be obnoxious drunks, offensive chants, etc. when you go to a sporting event. Some places are worse than others but it happens all over the place. So you as a parent have to decide whether you can handle your kid's reaction, otherwise you have the option of not going. I know my daughter will be fine, she understands right and wrong, and all of that.
As long as nothing is directed toward her, its all easily explained or ignored. When I was 10 I wore a Devils hat to a Rangers-Devils game at MSG and a grown man threatened to kill me if I didn't take my hat off. My dad just kind of rushed me away and that was that. It would take everything I have not to knock someone out if that happened to my kid, and honestly, that's probably what would happen.
Is it obnoxious? Maybe. Annoying? At times. Would I expect anyone to take any steps to make it a more family friendly experience for my benefit? Not at all. I am opposed to the changing of the goal song, not because of the YS chant (which I didn't mind and participated in), but because it was a long standing tradition even before the chant.
In terms of people "having to explain" these things to other adults who haven't been to a Devils game before or being embarrassed by them, that's nonsense. Any adult with a half a brain can figure it out, and being embarrassed over the conduct of other people you don't even know but share a team allegiance with is just plain dumb.
I had a friend who was a Kings fan and moved to NJ, and he never understood why the Devils fans chant "Rangers Suck" at games where the Rangers aren't even playing. To which I responded, "Well wherever they are they fvcking suck". He eventually became a Devs fan and realized this was true.
The thing with Parise is I think it was pretty clear what he was going to do when he signed the one year deal. In that case Lou should have traded him before the season started while Zach still had one year of restricted free agency. We could have gotten some nice pieces from Minnesota as they obviously had a hard on for him. Lou thought he still had a chance to sign him and I think that's part of his problem.
I do believe Zach wanted the Wild as much as they wanted him. There was zero chance he was re-signing here, the one year deal was just to max out his value following a season basically lost to injury. He used us.
I can't stand Derek21. His likability and classy posts have long impeded my ability to hate ALL Rangers fans. Can't you just come on here once and be like "Marty blows, Devils have no fans!"?.
Well in all fairness, his #1 Brodeur moment was the Rangers winning the Conference finals in '94. We can just not like him for that.
Mine was a save he made where he got pulled out of position, he had to reach back with the stick and pull the puck out, facing the wrong way. I don't remember when it was, the opponent or the result of the game, but I remember watching it and being absolutely dumbfounded as to how he stopped that puck.
Steiner Sports sold an overhead picture of that save for a while, I didn't have $400 for an autographed photo so I never got it, and I could never find that picture unsigned. I should start searching again, it was an awesome memory that belongs on my "Shelf of Glory" at work, where I keep my other collectibles.
EDIT: found the picture, not for sale but here it is for reference: