theres already too many 4th line players on this team thats part of our problem.. they start playing on other lines when they have no business being on the 2nd line where a much higher quality player should be
Bernier was 2nd in goals, 4th in points on the team, and he missed what, 18 or so games? So if you were choosing between our excess of 4th liners, he wouldn't be one of them? Especially at the less than $1m you'd have to pay him???
If that's what you meant, I am glad you aren't the GM.
Parise only signed the one year deal for the express purpose of showing other teams he was healthy so he could land the big payday. He had no intention of staying here, it just would make no sense to sign a long term deal coming off a season missed due to injury.
Lou had NO CHANCE of retaining him. Personally, I'd have traded him during the one year deal.
I just happened across a feature on hockey-reference.com, where they take the statistics of a given player and compile a list of "Players with careers of similar quality and shape". The ones listed for Patrik are:
Adam Oates (HOF)
Mark Messier (HOF)
Dale Hawerchuk (HOF)
Bernie Geoffrion (HOF)
Bryan Trottier (HOF)
The ones who are already in are noted. Regarding the others:
Kariya has less goals (402) and less assists (587)
Mogilny has a goal edge (473) but less assists (559)
Federov has an edge in both goals (483) and assists (696), but not as big a disparity as I would have expected. Ditto with Roenick, although I knew he had over 500 goals (513 and 703 respectively).
Alfredsson edges him out also (444 and 713).
I think Federov, Roenick, and Mogilny are near certain to get in. I think Alfredsson has an excellent chance. Kariya's numbers are less but his career was also short by comparison,15 seasons, but one was a lockout year and two of them were only 22 and 11 games played, I assume due to injury. And he lost the same year that everyone else lost, 2004-05.
Looking at those numbers, and if you take the site's statistical comparison as accurate, the argument in favor of Patrik is pretty compelling.
I have a really high standard for hall of fame- so even though I'm a huge patty fan I don't think he measures up.
The problem is that the bar for HOF has been lowered over the year- In numbers alone IMO he shouldn't have a case. But because a guy like sundin is in it all of a sudden makes Elias have a shot.
Also I'd add that if patty didn't have the two lockouts and he played on a more offensive minded team for most of his career, I'm sure he is a HOFer. But that was not the case.
I'll hope he gets in because he's one of my favorite players.
Sundin's stats bury Patrik's. 564/785/1349 in 1346 games. Only had less than 30 goals 5 out of 17 years, two of those being Half seasons (one of which he still got 23).
Patrik is 403/607/1010 in 1210 games over 19 seasons.
Patrik has the Cups, but nowhere near the numbers. If you think Sundin is borderline, Elias doesn't get in unless he pays for admission.
I also don't think "he could have done more without the lockouts" is a valid line of reasoning. There's plenty of guys who outplayed Elias that sat out those same lockouts. So really it's true of everyone so it's irrelevant in terms of HOF consideration.
Truthfully, the thing I find funniest about this issue is how polarizing it is.
Also, if you are worried that your friends judge you in some way based on things that other people whom you don't even know are chanting, you might want to consider getting some better friends. If you didn't do it, what difference does it make to you what your friends think?