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#1265075 Confronting the Nightmare - UPDATE: NIGHTMARE OVER, KINGS WIN!

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 21 May 2014 - 07:01 AM

I go to bed every night with a NYR fan whom I hauled to CAA for THREE SCF. She hasn't given me any grief over the NJD, and I watch the NYR as a fairly disinterested observer.
Why are so many posters in such a pantytwist over theRags? Get over it!


Not sure why you should need this explained to you, but I'll give it a try:


Many of us find Ranger fans both dumb and annoying; to be fair, it doesn't sound like your sig other is one of them.


It's been discussed in detail WHY so many of us find Ranger fans dumb and annoying.  They make the same tired jokes over and over again.  They think that the Rangers, by virtue of playing in New York, somehow makes that franchise the NHL equivalent of the New York Yankees...they talk about proud traditions, etc., when they've been much closer to the Cubs overall than the Yankees.  The one tradition they've proven to be very good at is celebrating one bought Cup win over and over and over again...Rangers basically emptied out the farm to win that '94 Cup, and that "all in" approach, while successful, cost them for years.  But as many have pointed out, no other franchise has ever re-celebrated a Cup win as shamelessly and as embarrassingly as the Rangers franchise and their fans. 


In 2012, after they lost to the Devils in Game 6 in the ECF, there were boneheads saying things like "Duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh, unless da Debbies (they think it's just hilarious when they call the Devils "the Debbies") win da Cup, it don't matta, 'cause in ninedy-fawr, we won da Cup afta beading dem in da Eastewn Cawnfurence Finawls!"  Those losers STILL think NHL hockey stopped for everyone else in '94, just like it did for them.  I made the mistake of trying to explain to a bunch of them that losing to the Rangers in the '94 ECF wasn't exactly haunting Devils fans anymore...we saw the team win the Cup the very next season, saw them win again in 2000 and 2003, come within a game of winning another Cup in 2001, and watched the Devils reach the SCF in 2012 at the Rangers' expense.  Nope, for those stupid fans (and the Ranger fanbase is by far the most collectively stupid one I've dealt with), it was ninedy-fawr, ninedy-fawr, ninedy-fawr.  I used to participate on the ESPN boards back in 2000 and 2001, and the idiot Ranger fans who used to post there were constantly talking about how boring the Devils were, and how more teams need to play "exciting" hockey like the Rangers.  Yeah, that 2001 Devils team, the one that led in the NHL in goals scored, the one that boasted two 40+ goal scorers, they sure were sleep-inducing.  And the Rangers absolutely SUCKED at that time...they were playing with absolutely ZERO heart and ZERO passion back then.  That organization was a complete joke, but Ranger fans couldn't flock fast enough to MSG to watch that trainwreck.  Way to give the man upstairs incentive to change things up geniuses!


And of course, I had my fun MSG bathroom experience where, to sum up, a guy made a joke directed at me about the Devils, I made one back, and while I was peeing, he thought it'd be a swell idea to get out of line and hit me in the back of the head three times.  I wound up winning the fight that resulted (I tried to walk away, but the guy wouldn't allow it), but I rather would've not fought at all. 


I hate the Rangers and the majority of their fanbase.  Yes, right now they're better than the Devils, but that doesn't mean any of us have to like it.  I'm not going to constantly bitch about them or try to downplay what they're doing, but if you honestly think that Ranger fans wouldn't have their "panties in a twist" over the Devils having this success if the roles were reversed, then I don't what to tell you.  For the most part, we hate everything about the Rangers, and they hate everything about us.  There's rivalries like that in all of sports, and for the true-blue diehard Devils fans, this ranks right up with the Red Sox-Yankee level of hatred, and it will NEVER change.        

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#1264997 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 20 May 2014 - 03:02 PM

I am actually cheering for the Rags this series



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#1264681 Shero and Bylsma apparently fired

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 16 May 2014 - 11:11 PM

Clarkson was on his way to becoming pre-30-goal scoring Clarkson.  He tailed off pretty significantly after a big start in 2013. 


Kovy's heart wasn't in NJ and the NHL anymore, and judging by his KHL year, he looks like he's declining.  I'll always believe he knew he wasn't up to the rigors of an 82-game NHL season anymore.  He found somewhere he could play a lot less games, (hopefully) take less physical abuse, and still make a lot of coin. 


Parise can clearly still contribute at a Parise-like level, but we all knew that he would in the immediate future.  Losing him stung the most, from a pure wish-we-had-him-right-this-second standpoint, but I really don't miss the other two so much. 

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#1263512 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 05 May 2014 - 08:56 PM

being exposed like the fraud that he is... someone said it was going to happen


c'mon, guy came up big in Game 7 and played well enough to win last night.  He's not really a fraud.  Not that I ever mind seeing him lose...



The Garden is dead. What lousy fans. Don't ever let them tell you they're fan base is great or that msg is some mystical place. Compete sh!t.


Our fans can be pretty somnambulant too, but I agree, greatly overrated fanbase, always has been...lots of witless dummies in that crowd.

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#1263407 This off seasons UFA's and realistic possible trades

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 04 May 2014 - 06:12 PM

The best thing that could happen would be a Pittsburgh Cup win + Fleury re-signing.  I think Schneider can't hold out hope for Pittsburgh though, because he likely doesn't have a ton of options if that falls through.  Most teams have a goalie they like and/or is signed for a long time.  


It may be in Schneider's and NJ's best interest to sign him to a 3 year deal worth 24 million, something like that.  If the team is going south in 2 years he can be shopped.


Yeah, there's risks involved.  And yeah, all it takes is Fleury re-signing with Pitt to kill that option for Cory. 


If Fleury ever reaches UFA status, his agent has two major cards to play:  health (he's been durable) and wins.  And his teams have twice reached the finals.  He could wind up with 500 wins if he continues to play on good teams.  I'm curious if there's that one GM who won't be able to help himself and offers MAF 6-7, despite the rough postseasons he's been prone to. 


I'd be surprised if Cory only signed for 3 years, but I guess it's not crazy to think he might be open to 4-6 years, as opposed to 7-8.

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#1261338 Lou 20 Minute Q&A

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 15 April 2014 - 06:31 PM

Maybe Lou can trade SD and MB for DiG and DinLA? 

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#1261004 Martin Brodeur Final (?) Game Thread

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 14 April 2014 - 06:23 AM

From the quotes today, it really seems that Marty just doesn't want to retire. I almost get the feeling that the team or the role might not matter as much as he made it out to be earlier. Maybe, there is a limit to that, but he's not ready to stop playing hockey. He loves the game that much.


It used to be that he wanted to play 82 games because of that love. Now he might be trying to talk himself into 20...


Playing amateur psychologist is a dangerous game with these guys (especially with a guy like Marty, with English being his second language, and his articulation skills probably not being that great), but I almost get the impression he's now becoming much more open-minded about how he's used next season.  I think he's probably both seen and read various people's takes on him...he admitted in his bio that he's constantly watching sports programming and reading newspapers, as he feels it's extremely important to stay informed of what's going on around the league at all times...like you say, this man absolutely LOVES the sport of hockey...that comes across loud and clear in his book.  And I think some of the open-mindedness is coming from the simple fact that he's beginning to realize that there's not going to be much demand for his services in the off-season, even with his name-brand...Fischler said it perfectly, in that the kind of options available to Marty that involve more playing time will be something along the lines of playing for the Islanders and splitting time with Nabokov.  In that kind of a situation, if Marty gets hot, maybe he gets close to 50 games, but if he struggles, it's probably 30, tops, and on a team and in front of a fanbase where he hasn't built up two decades' worth of goodwill.  He won't be beloved and embraced anywhere else unless he plays well (as in, MUCH better than the past two seasons)...if he goes elsewhere and he struggles, then he'll just be seen as a washed-up former legend who enjoyed all of his best accomplishments somewhere else.  As we've seen, though many Devils fans feel strongly that he should just hang 'em up, that he has absolutely nothing left to achieve, there's a large contingent of pure Marty fanboys who will welcome him back with open arms and won't care if his play declines further next season (sad but true).  Overall, he'll get far more of a pass here than anywhere else, especially if he doesn't say one word about playing the following season, what teams he might play for, or how much playing time he's getting.   


So though I don't think he should come back, and really REALLY hope he retires, if he insists on playing, I think his one and only option should be to re-sign with the Devils, and fully accept being a 20ish game backup (tops), with the full understanding that he is the #2, not #1A or part of a two-headed #1 monster, and that Cory slumping would not change that, that there's no looking for a crack in the door to kick open if Cory has a few bad games. 


I fully admit that not only am I not behind the above, I fear that PDB (though I think his coming back is the right move) can't be trusted with Marty still on the team, and that the potential for this scenario to blow up next season definitely exists.  Like I said, I hope it's retirement, end of a phenomenal story. 

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#1260381 David Clarkson

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 11 April 2014 - 07:22 PM

At least no one fvcks with the Leafs' water bottles anymore.

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#1259942 Brodeur Article, name dropping where he might want to play, reveals wh

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 10 April 2014 - 02:42 PM

He says that and then follows up with what I posted.  He keeps going where he first blames himself for a brief moment and then immediately follows it up with him blaming everyone else.  It's getting very irritating and he should just say something along the lines of "I didn't do that well and that is why I deserved the fewer starts."  Period.


To piggyback onto this...it's the way he sometimes puts things that has me wishing that he'd just shut up.  That last little blurb basically came off as "Well, yeah, I did have my chance, and Cory IS playing well, but it's because he's getting lots of playing time now, and if I got that playing time..." 


So one more time:



for the love of God...

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#1259719 Brodeur: Devils have accepted mediocrity

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 09 April 2014 - 04:25 PM

On one hand, he's not wrong, but on the other, I really don't want to hear it from a guy who's been a big part of the mediocrity the past two seasons either.  Sometimes it almost feels like he's daring his teammates to call him out as he's calling them out.

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#1258975 Kenny Agostino

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 07 April 2014 - 07:02 AM

Yeah I don't know what it is with these kids from Jersey growing up Rag fans. The Devils have been a superior organization in every way for 20 years. These kids are just fvcking stupid I guess.


Bad parenting...and a lot of "You're too young to remember/you weren't even born yet, but back in 1994..."

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#1256186 Brodeur Article, name dropping where he might want to play, reveals wh

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 27 March 2014 - 12:06 PM



Jesus H, it's enough already!  Your team is on the outskirts of a playoff race, but isn't 100% dead just yet.  Can you just say "I'm still focused on the present. and what's happening here..the future will work itself out soon enough, but right now I'm still a Devil." or something to that effect?  PLEASE?!

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#1255638 The Edmonton Oilers Bottom Out

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 24 March 2014 - 12:24 PM

Teams are way too fast to rebuild in the NHL. A rebuild could mean 25 years of failure. It's never worth the risk. Keep your team, add some pieces, stay afloat, draft well and even a bad team can turn it around.


People often have different definitions of what a 'rebuild' is. Is it trading away your star player Is there a certain number of players you have to trade? I think most people see it as the unloading a good chunk of your top 6 forwards and top 2 D-men. Doing this all at once is pointless - why tank yourself for years to come? Rebuild as you replace (over time), like most teams do a la NJ.


In bolded:  for me, the rebuild alarm goes off when a team bottoms out, Devils 2010-11-style, over the course of at least one full season (I say 'at least' because some teams might think a singular disastrous season might be a fluke), and the GM decides that he is no longer spending more money to augment a bad core that is either aging or simply run its course. 


Clearly, the Devils are not in this kind of position (big difference between being 5 points out of a playoff spot, as opposed to 15+ and never being a factor), but you do wonder what this core is going to be going forward:


Schneider (if he re-signs, and we don't really know what kind of playoff goalie he is yet)



Clowe (due to contract)






A lot of guys who are here now won't be much longer (especially all of the 30-somethings), which is why I don't have them listed .  Zids and Jagr could be gone this offseason.  Elias has two years left after this one...maybe he re-signs after that...too soon to tell, impossible to predict the future of late 30-somethings.  Zubrus also has two years after this one and is almost certain not to get re-signed.  Won't surprise me if Lou tries to move him this offseason.   


The big question is does this list look like the beginnings of a "you can build around this" kind of core.  If all of the defenseman pan out (Greene has quietly become a nice reliable vet, which is why I have him on the core list...I get the feeling Lou will keep him here), then you can argue that it does.  But some of the current forwards clearly have to go. 


One thing to keep in mind:  a LOT of the current contracts on the books come off within two years.  This is good, in that it won't be as hard for Lou (or whomever) to change this team up as it sometimes feels: 


UFAs in 2014:  Jagr, Zids, Carter, Bernier, Gionta, Fayne, Brodeur   RFAs:  Josefson, Gelinas

UFAs in 2015:  Schneider, Ryder, Brunner, Sestito, Salvador, Greene, Harrold  

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#1254968 Of all the times Lou has curiously fired coaches out of the blue

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 21 March 2014 - 03:45 PM

mouse, I posted my feelings about Marty and Lou when things were looking rough in the beginning of 2012, when Marty was stuck in the .880s and looking like he was done...how it was sad to see two of the best at what they do finally succumbing to the wrath of time.  Both Lou and Marty were starting to get hammered pretty regularly.  Then it turned around...which maybe shouldn't have been that big of a surprise once Kovy and Parise hit their strides, and Clarkson enjoyed one of the most fortuitous seasons of puck luck ever.  It's actually comical that he can be called "30-goal scorer David Clarkson" and have it be TRUE. 


We know the situation with Marty...he'll never have half-seasons of .920+ play again, the way he did in 2011 and 2012.  And now he seems ticked off and cranky to boot, and I have no idea why.  Did he really want out of here that badly?  It sucks and I can't wait for that to be over.


As for Lou...I'd be stunned if he was fired, or resigned on his own, so I think he's back here next season.  We'll know very soon where his head is.  If he talks about liking his team and/or talks about bringing back Marty, I'm going to find it damned near impossible to defend him on either count. 

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#1254884 Of all the times Lou has curiously fired coaches out of the blue

Posted by Colorado Rockies 1976 on 21 March 2014 - 12:44 PM

I question some of Deboers personnel decisions and how he handles some situations, but otherwise he's a great motivator and has kept this mediocre team believing and playing hard. I absolutely think he should be kept.


As for Lou, he has his problems and makes his mistakes, but you'd be hard pressed to find another GM outside of Detroit who has kept a team as competitive as he has for as long as he has. He's done a lot through years of limited budgets back in the McMullen days and usually drafting in the last 10 picks of the first round. There will be a lot that changes for the better when he leaves, and a lot that may get worse as well.


In PDB's case, before I could think about canning him, I'd have to see what else is out there.  Laviolette?  He's got a solid record from a pure wins and losses standpoint, and led a team to a Cup, though the league was so screwed up in that first season back after the strike that I really don't make that much of that Cup win.  I guess you can make an argument for giving Laviolette a shot, but I don't know how much of a difference he'd ultimately make.  It would feel like change for change's sake.  Like you say, the one thing you can say in PDB's defense is his team does TRY..they may not always look good doing it, but it does look like they're trying to me.     


Re:  Lou...the two main arguments you can make for him being fired are that maybe he's simply been here too long and now it's time for a change, and that a new GM coming in here without loyalties to any of the current players might be more willing to truly shake things up.  The fact that some people do want him canned is actually a testament to how long this team has been competitive.  Missing the playoffs in potentially three out of four seasons is a major shock to a lot of Devils fans' systems, and this is Lou's first real down period in over 25 years on the job.  How many GMs last even 10 years in their positions, let alone 20+? 


On one hand, you look at a guy who has Lou's insanely overall terrific track record and say "He should get a chance to turn this around."  But I'd be lying through my teeth if I said I felt 100% confident that Lou can turn this around.  I honestly don't know.  It's going to take some serious creativity to change and improve this roster, especially since there's a fair number of forwards here that don't exactly have loads of trade value.  I really hope Marty is not back next year...nothing against him, but I think his presence is becoming more overwhelming by the day, and not in a good way.  If Lou brings him back, then I think he's truly stuck in the past.  I've said that Lou keeping Marty around would be his equivalent to jumping the shark, and if that happens, I don't really know how much I can believe in him anymore. 


I also can't say that the idea of the post-Lou Devils doesn't intrigue me.  It does.  It will be such upheaval...Jesus, for just about every Devil fan, Lou practically IS the Devils!  As much as I can't imagine him not being the GM, I'm still curious about what his not being around could potentially mean.  Better?  Worse?  I'm not as afraid or saddened by the idea of chance as I am curious. 


So basically, I won't be angry if they're both back next season, but I won't be saddened if they're both gone either.  Like Tom McVie once said when he asked about being an interim coach:  "It's always on an interim basis."  Same for GMs I guess.  It's so weird to even think that Lou won't be here someday...I don't even really know how to process the idea. 

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