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  1. I know this was asked before Hynes was fired, but you have to go through the league and see where players come from to realize just how little the Devils are going to end up having from the final 4 drafts that Conte was presiding over, and these are drafts where I mostly think he did okay - part of it was that he was working without picks almost every year. I did this breakdown on HF a month ago so I still have everything handy, here's the list of players/assets the Devils have as a result of drafting and trades from the various draft years: 2002: Greene* 2004: Zajac 2008: Vatanen (via Henrique+3rd+UFA) 2009: Zetterlund (via Eric Gelinas) 2010: Schmid (via Scott Wedgewood) 2011: Hall (via Larsson), Coleman 2012: Severson 2013: Wood, Schneider 2014: Hayden 2015: Zacha, Blackwood, Palmieri (via 2nd+3rd round pick), Seney 2016: [Beau Bennett] * - would've been draft-eligible that year [] - player was acquired with draft pick acquired by previous regime, is no longer with organization In a year the Devils missed the playoffs (2013), they have a 3rd/4th line forward and awful goalie to show for it now. What do you think good teams now have from the 2013 draft - a draft, which by the way, was not all that special - but has still produced several solid NHLers? 2014 was also not special, but it was also a year the Devils missed the playoffs - they've got John Hayden to show for it 5 years later. Knowing what we know now, a GM would have to have stolen a good goalie or signed one UFA to make this into a good team, and that's with the excellent trades for Hall and Palmieri. Not counting Ty Smith as a blue-chip prospect is just changing the definitions of words. Name 5 D currently playing outside the NHL who are property of an NHL team who you'd rather have. You might be able to do this - naming 10 is likely not possible. He is a blue-chip prospect. He would be the best D prospect in the system of more than half the teams around the league. That doesn't mean he's going to be an NHL star or NHL regular - plenty of blue-chip prospects have failed to become NHLers. 'Waiting to see more' just means waiting until he isn't a prospect anymore. This team should be better than it is. The coaching staff has failed to get the best out of anyone in the early stages of this season. There's been some trades that haven't worked out - Bennett, Mueller, probably Gusev, possibly Subban, and Johansson was largely a wash. McLeod probably won't play in the NHL much or well. Still, there is a lot of hope for the future, and while the NHL standings don't reflect it enough, there's been some massive upgrades.
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    Rebuild 2.0 Thread

    I'm absolutely not saying that. Where the fvck would you think that I am saying that? What in the world would make you think that that post was saying 'The Devils should've tried to out tank the Leafs?' How can you possibly interpret my post to say that? And then you strawman into trying to talk about tanking again - all right, I'm done. Not responding to anything you say here or on HFboards.
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    Rebuild 2.0 Thread

    I hate responding in this thread, but 2015 is the big goof-up. 2016, McLeod, yeah, he's not going to be an average NHLer, or anything close probably - does anything from that draft picked after him really move the needle? I like Chycrun and McAvoy, neither are stars, and nothing else from that 1st round is really exploding yet. The real problem is 2016 was them picking 11th with the team they had.
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    Subban

    I don't think the Devils are a very bad team right now - I think they've gotten very poor results and have very bad goaltending, and if they don't improve, they will continue to be bad. I think the offense should be better than it has been, that's the major place the team must improve. I certainly don't think every personnel move that Shero makes from now until the end of the season will result in the Devils being a worse team this season. They might pick up someone on waivers who can help augment their depth. They might call up someone from Binghamton who ends up outplaying a regular. These are moves that Shero has made in past seasons when the Devils have been bad and he will make them again, if the opportunity presents itself.
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    Subban

    I'm the one moving the goalposts? Tanking has a very obvious definition. It is deliberately making the team worse in order to lose games. That's not why the Devils will be trading away their UFAs. They will be trading them in order to recoup value so as to not lose them for nothing. You know, like just about every team who is clearly out of the playoffs does, every year. Tank moves are deliberately holding players out of the lineup who might help it, trading a good goalie for a worse one, and so on. They are comparatively rare in hockey, but they have happened.
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    Subban

    It's tanking when you just make up definitions of words to suit your argument and then get mad at everyone for not just accepting your new definition. Teams out of the playoffs trade players to teams in the playoffs every year. Hell, Ottawa didn't have a first round pick of their own last season so they had huge incentive at least from a PR standpoint to finish out of the cellar and yet they didn't manage to.
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    Subban

    You cannot help yourself from projecting what you believe on to literally everybody else. The Devils are not tanking. They didn't call up Schneider and demote Blackwood. They haven't traded all of those guys away yet - they probably will, but it wouldn't shock me if they made offers to Simmonds and Vatanen to stay, depending on how the rest of the season goes. They didn't hire Nasreddine in order to tank - they could've just kept Hynes for that, if they wanted to. Nasreddine's mandate will not be to deliberately lose games - they could've just hired Horacek or Noel if they wanted to do that, two guys who won't be head coaches again and probably don't want to be. Instructing the coach to lose -that is tanking. You tank when your team is DELIBERATELY TRYING TO LOSE GAMES. THAT IS THE DEFINITION. You don't just get to change the definitions of things because you don't like how things are going. When the Devils call up Schneider and he's posting an .870 in Binghamton, I'll agree, that's what they're doing. Until then, they're going to try to win. They've been a bad team for the first 25 games. If they get some goaltending and the offense can pick up, they may be an okay team for the next 25.
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    Subban

    The Devils aren't tanking the rest of the season. Jesus christ. Anyway, some metrics have Subban as atrocious and some have him as just fine. I don't particularly care for points as a measure of anything - Subban's been unlucky by points, that much should be obvious. He's also been unlucky by goals - the Devils are shooting 5.36% with him on the ice, 9.5% with him off the ice. This has a little to do with him but not very much. Subban's managed to keep R-R pairings afloat territorially, that's usually a pretty good sign. I don't know why they're insisting on going R-R with Subban - he's not an offensive dynamo anymore. If anything, his strength is now defense - they should be putting a lefty with him. He's made some positioning mistakes, as have all the D. I don't think he's washed up by any means, but he's obviously not the great defenseman he once was.
  9. I think he's saying that Matt realized he screwed up when he mentioned that, and therefore he's the idiot in the story, not the child.
  10. The Devils played fine. Marchessault gets a fluke goal off his leg and then a tip goal which goes in a low percentage of the time. I don't know how they broke down so bad on the 4th goal, I can only think that they forgot they were killing a penalty. They were in a road and home back to back which isn't something you win a ton anyway. Referees didn't help - no idea how that's not a major penalty on Carrier, no idea how the hook on Palmieri doesn't get called and then the interference by Palmieri does get called. No idea how the high stick on Palmieri during the power play in the 1st period, right in the eyeline of the ref, doesn't get called. Awful night for the stripes - got lucky to come away with that 2nd goal given how bad they were. The Devils looked fast tonight, faster than Vegas, and that's how they should look. Some goaltending or some goaltending luck would go a long way in games like these.
  11. I don't think you know a whole lot about how 18 year old players typically perform. They do not come into the league as stars very often - Crosby and McDavid did. Hughes is on pace for less than 40 points - this would be the 12th best season in points per game by an 18 year old in the last 15 years. Jack Hughes will be a star player.
  12. Right - I expected Hughes to come in around 40 points and that's where he's at. I feel like people who aren't impressed with him haven't watched enough 18 year old players - yeah, Hischier looked better, but Hischier's first season came mostly as the center for who would turn out to be the league MVP. Hughes has been moved all around this lineup and finally seems to be having some success with Boqvist and Simmonds - that line should stay together.
  13. Taylor Hall has been bad this season - I don't think he's the Devils' best player this year, nor do I think the Devils come out that far behind on a Hall trade if this is Hall's best performance. If it's not and Hall is just dogging it, so be it, but he does not appear to have the speed or power that he had in his MVP season. I mean I also think Shero is a fake tough guy but so are most GMs. Obviously firing the coach after the first game is a smart move, and something Shero should've considered. That way he wouldn't be a fraud. See, i can do this too, it's fun.
  14. You really can't see anything except as a dichotomy, can you? In order to fire the coach, the GM needs a replacement - he doesn't exactly have a simple one at hand, as I doubt anyone on staff will be taking over as head coach. There's people in the organization who've been head coaches. Regardless, whether the person is in the organization or not, It still takes time to set that up, plus the GM would likely want to give the new coach at least a practice before they play a game. There's not a great stretch for a coach firing upcoming - there's either Sunday, Wednesday after next, and then probably the time after that would be the Christmas break. They're not tanking. Jesus christ. They didn't spend all this money this offseason to fvcking tank. Get a grip.
  15. I thought you stopped watching this team way back in October. Firing the coach doesn't fix all of the issues. It will be done if things continue on this course, obviously.
  16. The thing I don't understand about what the Devils are doing is that they have so much team speed even with a hobbled Hall and yet they constantly look slower than other teams. Hughes was skating well tonight - almost no one else was. Hall's line got cratered and that's just not something that should be happening very often. The Devils started off okay but then you look up at the shot board and it's 1-1 through 8 minutes in the 1st. A team with this much firepower should not routinely go long stretches without putting up shots on the opposition's net. I'm tired of the dump-ins by defensemen, or the D carrying the puck at all through the neutral zone unless their intent is to enter with possession - this team is not built for dump and chase and it is not going to win that way. But then there's the issue that the forwards can skate but the defensemen cannot - Subban is at best an average skater who is kinda slow turning, Vatanen, Greene, and Butcher are slow, Mueller has maybe average speed, and even Severson skates well but isn't a burner. Pushing the pace forward probably leaves things exposed on the back end. For the lack of non head coaches on the staff, there are two Devils scouts that have recently been NHL head coaches - Peter Horachek and Claude Noel - maybe Shero considers one of them as an interim coach.
  17. This game was weird in that the Devils came out in the first period with their legs but not their hands. They just could not complete a pass or do anything but dump the puck in, largely ineffectively. Then Grzyleck hits a miracle shot - Blackwood's probably got to have that one but I'm not sure, he was covering almost the entire net and Gryz managed to hit the one open spot - and then they get a 2 on 1 and the game's almost over. Blackwood let in 2 soft ones after that just to make us remember Cory Schneider's last few years here. That 2 on 1 that Marchand and Pastrnak had - those are the kinds of plays the Devils should be making. They have the ability but not the confidence. To pull up on a 2 on 1 as the Bruins did and create space for themselves - the Devils have been burned too often by making the unsafe play that they're just not likely to try this sort of thing. Nice to see Gusev again having a good night. He looks almost night and day from the player we saw when he was healthy scratched. There's still some errors with reading the play in the D zone and up the ice, but he's getting looks in the offensive zone. Subban's not the problem with this team. Didn't have a great night, hasn't contributed a whole lot offensively, but he makes plays on the outlet no one else on this team can.
  18. I can't remember any right-handed catching goalies in my Devils' lifetime, and I can't remember any right-handed catching goalies remaining in the league. I know there's one I'm not thinking of still kicking around somewhere who isn't Domingue, but it's less common than it used to be. EDIT: H-R says Mike McKenna was a right-catching goalie. It also says Domingue isn't, so who knows what it knows.
  19. It's possible that Cory could be loaned to one of those leagues, but he would have to agree to it, and I really don't see the upside - he's 33 years old and has been playing in North America his entire career. The goal is not to build up Cory's value but to let him get starts somewhere and hopefully work on what's wrong with his game. A buyout is pretty much inevitable - trading him at 50% retention is unlikely to be anything anyone is interested in unless they are sending a really atrocious contract back.
  20. I don't buy this for the very simple fact that in 17-18, he played over there with great success. He has typically not been a huge producer on the power play, perhaps he was not the focal point of past power plays, but in 17-18 they put him over there and he had his best numbers and the Devils' power play was also pretty decent, which is the more important thing. He's also shot plenty from over there. I think Simmonds being where he is is not necessarily helping - Simmonds used to play in the left wing corner on the Flyer power play, but that doesn't really work with how the Devils have it set up right now. But even still, Palmieri is sometimes an option for him from there, as are Simmonds' tips.
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    Fire Hynes

    I think the players are executing what Hynes wanted last night, at least until the tying goal - he might've liked to see more offense in the third, but if they weren't going to give up any chances either, I'd probably take that as an outcome. There was also a rough stretch in the 2nd period where Ottawa had the Devils pinned, but the Devils didn't take a penalty.
  22. He played both sides that year - I've looked at some highlights from that year and he was on the right sometimes and on the left other times. I like him better on the left given that they have Hughes to play the right side now, but I agree he looks awkward over there.
  23. The Devils controlled the play at the beginning of the 2nd, too. I don't have a shot count, but they were +6 Corsi between the beginning of that period and around the halfway mark. Natural Stat Trick rates that period of the game as having around +1 expected goals for the Devils as well. Hall is not a shooter. If you want him to take one-timers, he is not your man - he rarely attempts one-timers (imo, could be wrong on this) and is bad at them when he does. He's a hard player to use properly on the power play because his main skill is using his speed to cause defenders to be out of position, and this is just not something that good power plays are traditionally built on. The Devils found a way in 2017-18 to use this to their advantage but haven't found it since. I don't attribute the team 'going conservative' to Hynes per se - that's the system he has them playing, but he obviously couldn't be happy with the way the 3rd period was played. I don't think he changed anything significant during the game - it's something that happens in the course of a game, generally - teams that are ahead tend to play safe. This was just incredibly safe, and then when the game got tied, they just lost their way.
  24. They came out really well - scored the first goal, almost got the second immediately after, shift after shift in the Ottawa zone. But after about midway through the second period they just played defensive hockey the rest of the game, pretty much - a few shifts in Ottawa's end but not a whole lot, and Ottawa finally came to life at the end of the 2nd period. Then through the third, they were playing a solid road game at home, gave up a few chances but nothing incredible, then one goes in, then they just folded. I don't think the Devils had a scoring chance for the rest of the game after Ottawa tied it, and Ottawa had 3 good looks. PP1 is built around Taylor Hall and he's not performing. They're not giving him the right opportunities - he should be closer to the blueline, probably - but he has been bad there all year. Hynes (and ostensibly Fitzgerald) have this team playing a tight-checking game. They're doing okay at it, but they're not generating enough offense. They're not forcing enough turnovers in the opponent's end or in the neutral zone.
  25. I don't have a counter argument because you have been here for 6 years and you have chosen to remain totally ignorant. I can go find at least 3 times I've rebutted your original point on this since 2014 and you still spout the same bullsh!t. You don't have any idea of what you're talking about and you think you do - there's really no countering that level of ignorance. People can disagree with these things in an educated fashion - they can learn about these things and ask questions that indicate thought. You had one response to this the first time you saw it - 'hey wait a minute this treats every shot equally and they're not!' and that's the thing you have been pounding on the for the last 6 years, posting it here as if it's some kind of revelation. No fvcking sh!t, dude. Yes, that's what Corsi does. It still is a meaningful measurement of how hockey teams are doing when context is taken into account. There's things that are trying to take into account the quality of shots also, by measuring pre-shot passing and where a shot is taken from. Unfortunately the pre-shot passing stuff isn't quite systematized yet, but it's something people are tracking. People have objections to Corsi and they're trying to improve it. It's still meaningful, whether you want it to be or not.
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