Devil Dan 56 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 TSN Reporting the Isles are talking to Yashin about a return... Yashin Return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 TSN Reporting the Isles are talking to Yashin about a return... Yashin Return? Talks of him returning to LI happen almost every off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) I don't if its possible and I'm not sure if I'd do it but since Parise and Weber are both going to team arb and they are awarded similar numbers maybe a Parise-Weber trade? Kovalchuk-Zajac-Tedenby Zubrus-Jofeson-Palmieri Rolston-Elias-Clarkson Steckel,Zharkov,Boulton,Pelley,Janssen Volchenkov-Weber Tallinder-Larsson White-Greene Taormina I wouldn't mind a future of Volchenkov/Larsson/Weber on the blueline Edited July 22, 2011 by Mayday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I'd do that trade. Love zach, but franchise d > elite winger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yeah Id also take Weber over Zach. Id love to have one of the most feared d in the league again every since the Stevens Dano days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I have thought about that several times, but I can't actually see it happening. It would make our D pretty damn solid, but I'm not sure I'd want it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yeah Id also take Weber over Zach. Id love to have one of the most feared d in the league again every since the Stevens Dano days. If we are throwing Zach to the wolves because our cap problems: I would rather have Zach than Kovy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer91 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) If we are throwing Zach to the wolves because our cap problems: I would rather have Zach than Kovy. I don't think many people would disagree, but I am remaining optomistic and think it will get done. Edited July 22, 2011 by lucifer91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The amount of people that want Zach here greatly outnumber those who wouldnt mind seeing something equal come in return. This is a side note: I feel that out of everyone on the team besides Marty ofcourse, Zach is the next person to root for if your just getting into the sport and the team. Is that a loss that the team would really want to take strictly speaking memorabilia sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I don't think many people would disagree, but I am remaining optomistic and think it will get done. I think Lou's window of opportunity is closing. The Stamkos contract negotiated by Zach's new agent is now the new salary benchmark. I don't think it is economically feasible to sign Zach long term and be competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I love me some Shea Weber... but seems to me he's got the skills of a #1 defender and the hockey IQ of a #3 defender at times. He looks especially lost without his buddy Ryan Suter by his side. I worry that Shea Weber goes the route of Ed Jovanovski or Dion Phaneuf in the long run...big dude able to play physical and give PP time, but unable to really be relied on as a true #1. Then again, I'm not a diehard Preds fan watching every game. So maybe my sample size is too small. All things being equal, I'd like to see Parise as a lifetime Devil. Who knows if that'd be best for the team, but that's my own feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I think Lou's window of opportunity is closing. The Stamkos contract negotiated by Zach's new agent is now the new salary benchmark. I don't think it is economically feasible to sign Zach long term and be competitive. You don't think the Devils could sign him to a $7mil/yr deal for 6 or 7 years and be competitive? After this season Rolston, White, and Salvador are all off the books, plus the Devils clear $1m in cap space from the last of the buyouts. That's almost $12mil. Even if White re-ups for a lower amount, even $2.5 mil, there's $9.5 mil in cap space. If Parise is signed for $7mil, that leaves $2.5mil in cap space at the current level. After 2012-13, UFAs include Elias, Zajac, Clarkson, Zubrus, Steckel, and Boulton. Of those players, only Zajac is guaranteed a decent bump in salary. Clarkson could see one, depending on how he plays. Elias will surely command less than $6m, Zubrus will probably be allowed to leave... Steckel & Boulton are depth players. Given all of this, the next two years are really the "problem" with signing Parise and being competitive, but the Devils have plenty of young guys on relatively cheap contracts that seem to be holding their own. It really will only get tricky again in about 5 years when players like Tedenby and Josefson could really look to cash in depending on their progress. ...then again, this is all purely speculative given that a new CBA has to be worked out. If the cap suddenly drops significantly, yeah it'll be more challenging...but nearly every team will face that challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 You don't think the Devils could sign him to a $7mil/yr deal for 6 or 7 years and be competitive? After this season Rolston, White, and Salvador are all off the books, plus the Devils clear $1m in cap space from the last of the buyouts. That's almost $12mil. Even if White re-ups for a lower amount, even $2.5 mil, there's $9.5 mil in cap space. If Parise is signed for $7mil, that leaves $2.5mil in cap space at the current level. After 2012-13, UFAs include Elias, Zajac, Clarkson, Zubrus, Steckel, and Boulton. Of those players, only Zajac is guaranteed a decent bump in salary. Clarkson could see one, depending on how he plays. Elias will surely command less than $6m, Zubrus will probably be allowed to leave... Steckel & Boulton are depth players. Given all of this, the next two years are really the "problem" with signing Parise and being competitive, but the Devils have plenty of young guys on relatively cheap contracts that seem to be holding their own. It really will only get tricky again in about 5 years when players like Tedenby and Josefson could really look to cash in depending on their progress. ...then again, this is all purely speculative given that a new CBA has to be worked out. If the cap suddenly drops significantly, yeah it'll be more challenging...but nearly every team will face that challenge. The CBA is vital and I think it is going to lower the cap. If we sign Zach long term that is essentially, $13 million of the cap to the LW position which is why we don' t have the money for quality defense. Regardless of who is off the books next year, these players will have to be replaced. I shutter to think about this team without Elias and Brodeur. I thought Zajac had a long term progressive salary contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caron14 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 No update on us trading rolston? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 What was Pandolfos contract before the Devils bought him out? Is there any way to do that with Rolston? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BelieveinBrodeur Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Wow, Inspired by Jagr's return Alexi Yashin wants to return to the NHL. Islander's offered him a deal I believe. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=372269 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Wow, Inspired by Jagr's return Alexi Yashin wants to return to the NHL. Islander's offered him a deal I believe. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=372269 It was already posted a page back. Its old news, Yashin as done this before. Edited July 22, 2011 by Quinn01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 What was Pandolfos contract before the Devils bought him out? Is there any way to do that with Rolston? Rolston's contract is 35+, so no way to have it off the books short of trading him...or somehow putting him on LTIR again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I don't think having 13m tied up on your two best forwards prevents you from fielding a winning team at all. The Bruins seem to be the odd team out in the last few years... excluding them, look at the cup winners The blackhawks, for example, had 12.6m tied up on their top two forwards when they won the cup the penguins had 18.4 the wings had 15.25 I just don't buy into that argument. Respectfully, wish to correct your post. I never said anything about top two forwards, I said LW. Kane (RW) and Toews © play together, Datsyuk © and Zetterberg (LW) play together and Malkin is more of a wing than a center. Parise and Kovy do not/should not play on the same line as one will have to adjust and not play to their strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Respectfully, wish to correct your post. I never said anything about top two forwards, I said LW. Kane (RW) and Toews © play together, Datsyuk © and Zetterberg (LW) play together and Malkin is more of a wing than a center. Parise and Kovy do not/should not play on the same line as one will have to adjust and not play to their strength. Fair enough, but typically Malkin and Crosby do not play on the same lines. Datsyuk and Zetterberg tend to be split up, as well. There's nothing wrong with positional depth, especially if it allows for the creation of two strong scoring lines, making it harder for opposing defenses to match up. The potential of the Devils rolling Parise's line for a strong 45 seconds followed by a line with Kovalchuk for a strong 45 seconds can give opposing defenses fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 if the cba reduces the salary cap without rollbacks, everyone will be in the same boat. who is looking great coming out of that mess? yeah i am sure that pittsburgh will look great coming out of that, with $31 million going to their 5 top players. the devils have a ton of young players who look very good. but we have to wait for the season for manta to quiet down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I'm excited for the future and all but we why are we going to invest a large chunk of change in LW when a center/defender is more important. I want Parise hear long term but when you step back and think...why invest so much in Kovalchuk/Parise? Our center depth is pretty solid and promising; the defense is also solid, not spectacular, but we still lack a legit #1 and Volchenkov/Tallinder are great #3 defenders but so-so #2 defensemen. Bottomline: We are locking up star players in the wrong position. As much as I like to think we are a Cup contender there is no doubt that we lack the most vital part for a run:elite centers/defenders. Again, I want Parise here but... Looking back, if Vanderbeek truly pushed Lou to secure a star player longterm .. why at left wing?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) I'm excited for the future and all but we why are we going to invest a large chunk of change in LW when a center/defender is more important. I want Parise hear long term but when you step back and think...why invest so much in Kovalchuk/Parise? Our center depth is pretty solid and promising; the defense is also solid, not spectacular, but we still lack a legit #1 and Volchenkov/Tallinder are great #3 defenders but so-so #2 defensemen. Bottomline: We are locking up star players in the wrong position. As much as I like to think we are a Cup contender there is no doubt that we lack the most vital part for a run:elite centers/defenders. Again, I want Parise here but... Looking back, if Vanderbeek truly pushed Lou to secure a star player longterm .. why at left wing?! Why he went after Kovalchuk? Because elite players don't go up for sale too often, and rarely become UFA so young. Why keep them both? Because players like Kovalchuk and Parise don't just show up every day. When you have a chance to get and keep a player like that, you do it. As for legit number 1 defensemen, we just drafted Adam Larsson, and last year drafted Merril. These are both looked at as absolute steals considering where they were picked up in the draft and both have the potential to be top pairing defensemen. Edited July 23, 2011 by Devil Dan 56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Why he went after Kovalchuk? Because elite players don't go up for sale too often, and rarely become UFA so young. Why keep them both? Because players like Kovalchuk and Parise don't just show up every day. When you have a chance to get and keep a player like that, you do it. As for legit number 1 defensemen, we just drafted Adam Larsson, and last year drafted Merril. These are both looked at as absolute steals considering where they were picked up in the draft and both have the potential to be top pairing defensemen. I agree with you on the rare chance for a team to lockup such an elite player, I don't dislike Kovalchuk. On the same note, it still doesn't make sense to me. Larsson and Merril both have potential, I agree, but its such an overused word. Although they may reach their potential it will still be a few years down the road and thats only if they do find their game in the NHL and thrive. A lot of players have potential, some reach it, some come halfway, and others fade out. Also the decision to sign Kovalchuk long term was before we drafted Larsson and Merril (i think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 The Columbus Blue Jackets have signed forward Vaclav Prospal to a one-year, $1.75 million contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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