Wiggles1213 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 As nice as it is to see him signed cheap, this might come back to bite us in the a$$ if future negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 They have a brinks truck full of cap space in the future. So if they did piss him off (they couldn't have pissed him off that much, because he signed it), they'll be able to "make it right". I'm still kinda stunned he signed that. I mean, the base pay is solid for an ELC ($100K more than Johansen last year), but they didn't even give him a couple of soft bonuses as a goose. And despite what Lou says, the Devils give out ELC bonuses. What they are is just semantics. And they've never been in a spot where they had to write a contract that may contain a significant AMOUNT of bonuse, as opposed to a significant %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) And despite what Lou says, the Devils give out ELC bonuses. What they are is just semantics. And they've never been in a spot where they had to write a contract that may contain a significant AMOUNT of bonuse, as opposed to a significant %. I think it's that the Devils never give out individual player bonuses in an ELC. I don't think team bonuses (say, winning the Stanley Cup) fall under that umbrella. As nice as it is to see him signed cheap, this might come back to bite us in the a$$ if future negotiations. lol he's 18, hasn't played an NHL game yet and already we're worried about negotiations three and seven years away? If he's 75% of what he's being cracked up to be he's gonna get his money down the road no matter what. If anything this deal ensures his 'clock' starts earlier. Edited July 15, 2011 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 They have a brinks truck full of cap space in the future. So if they did piss him off (they couldn't have pissed him off that much, because he signed it), they'll be able to "make it right". I'm still kinda stunned he signed that. I mean, the base pay is solid for an ELC ($100K more than Johansen last year), but they didn't even give him a couple of soft bonuses as a goose. And despite what Lou says, the Devils give out ELC bonuses. What they are is just semantics. And they've never been in a spot where they had to write a contract that may contain a significant AMOUNT of bonuse, as opposed to a significant %. i just wrote a huge thing on this, but no way - performance bonuses are sh!t. if you load up larsson's contract with performance bonuses, he doesn't play here this year. that's going to cost him more money than he could ever hope to make with performance bonuses. they did not piss him off. check out all the swedish contracts in the nhl, it's a challenge to find which ones are great, or which ones are just good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I was really pleased to come home to the news that the Devils not only signed Larsson but did it for such a low cap hit. Way to go Lou! I wouldn't be shocked to see one of the defenseman traded away but I really don't mind going into the season with a surplus since injuries always occur. I also have no concern about Salvador's cap hit counting in anyway this year - it seems he won't get the official clearance to play probably which is best for his long term health and the Devils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Don't think anybody has posted this quote yet: TGfireandice Tom GulittiLarsson: "I didn't want to have bonuses because no one else has them. I didn't want to have pressure on myself." Sounds like he's definitely drinking the Lou Aid. Lots of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-SS Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 That's a lot of Kool-Aid right there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) i just wrote a huge thing on this, but no way - performance bonuses are sh!t. if you load up larsson's contract with performance bonuses, he doesn't play here this year. that's going to cost him more money than he could ever hope to make with performance bonuses. they did not piss him off. check out all the swedish contracts in the nhl, it's a challenge to find which ones are great, or which ones are just good. Not loading him up (yeah, the menu tends to be a joke, especially with the type of teams that end up in this position.... I assume Seguin cashed a bonus this year for winning the Cup), but giving him a relatively small bonus or two for helping them. You can argue he did himself a favor, and it's not really worth crying about, he's going to make more money than last year's 4, barring a miracle, but he also did the team a huge favor as well. I don't know what you can write a bonus for, but throwing him a couple hundred K for being able to find his way out of the lockeroom and out onto the ice would have been a nice gesture. It's really a shocking deal that he signed. I mean, the Bruins were in the same position the Devils were in, where cap space is more scarce than your typical lottery dweller, and Seguin still walked away with a $3.5M hit on a $900K salary. Also, it's also a little disingenuous when you go on Capgeek and there's little + marks all over the place. So they do give out bonuses, even Corrente and Zharkov are on smaller hits this year off their qualifier. What the bonuses are for, well, you gotta take Lou at his word, but they're for something. Edited July 16, 2011 by maxpower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster13 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Great job by Lou for getting this deal done while being cap friendly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Not loading him up (yeah, the menu tends to be a joke, especially with the type of teams that end up in this position.... I assume Seguin cashed a bonus this year for winning the Cup), but giving him a relatively small bonus or two for helping them. You can argue he did himself a favor, and it's not really worth crying about, he's going to make more money than last year's 4, barring a miracle, but he also did the team a huge favor as well. He didn't do them a huge favor. This is a huge favor to him. If Larsson couldn't play in the NHL this year, he's costing himself money, there's no question. Seguin did not get any bonuses for winning the Cup. I don't know what you can write a bonus for, but throwing him a couple hundred K for being able to find his way out of the lockeroom and out onto the ice would have been a nice gesture. You can't write a bonus for that. There are no games played bonuses. The easiest bonuses for him to achieve would be top 4 among D in ice time, top 3 in +/- among D. It's really a shocking deal that he signed. I mean, the Bruins were in the same position the Devils were in, where cap space is more scarce than your typical lottery dweller, and Seguin still walked away with a $3.5M hit on a $900K salary. They couldn't talk Seguin into taking a deal like that. Seguin is also more likely to achieve a lot of the bonuses. Also, it's also a little disingenuous when you go on Capgeek and there's little + marks all over the place. So they do give out bonuses, even Corrente and Zharkov are on smaller hits this year off their qualifier. What the bonuses are for, well, you gotta take Lou at his word, but they're for something. I don't know what they're for either, but I've never heard of anyone achieving one. Edited July 16, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Also, it's also a little disingenuous when you go on Capgeek and there's little + marks all over the place. So they do give out bonuses, even Corrente and Zharkov are on smaller hits this year off their qualifier. What the bonuses are for, well, you gotta take Lou at his word, but they're for something. Were they just normal signing bonuses possibly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Were they just normal signing bonuses possibly? nah, those just go on your salary for the given year. since it's the Devils, you'll never know unless someone hits one, and then you won't know why they hit them, you'll just have to guess. say the team somehow gets 120 points in a season and 3 or 4 guys get rung up. well, then you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 nah, those just go on your salary for the given year. since it's the Devils, you'll never know unless someone hits one, and then you won't know why they hit them, you'll just have to guess. say the team somehow gets 120 points in a season and 3 or 4 guys get rung up. well, then you know. there is no such thing as a team bonus that i can find. i am not sure what these bonuses are that devils players get, but if i had to guess, they would involve ice time - so that the bonus is controlled by the coach and not the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 there is no such thing as a team bonus that i can find. i am not sure what these bonuses are that devils players get, but if i had to guess, they would involve ice time - so that the bonus is controlled by the coach and not the player. Well, that's really a performance bonus and I want to take Lou at his word here. You don't get more ice time for sucking. A Cup win bonus is essentially a team bonus because you could stink out the joint and still win the Cup. So I don't see why you couldn't get one for setting a team mark. Maybe Presidents Trophy is more what I should be looking at for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdo3043 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) I wonder why the agent distanced himself.so much from the contract terms......because it just looks bad for future clients? Still like to see that Larsson knew what was better for him and took it dispite it being considered a low ball salary Also it seems to be a mutally good signing.....from a development standpoint he gets to play American hockey in the ahl and play several games maybe in the NHL...guessing is the plan.....we can still role over his contract and his cap hit gives us the flexibility we need Also something to think about is if he's 23 goes rfa the value might be much higher then at 21 Edited July 16, 2011 by justdo3043 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I wonder why the agent distanced himself.so much from the contract terms......because it just looks bad for future clients? Still like to see that Larsson knew what was better for him and took it dispite it being considered a low ball salary Also it seems to be a mutally good signing.....from a development standpoint he gets to play American hockey in the ahl and play several games maybe in the NHL...guessing is the plan.....we can still role over his contract and his cap hit gives us the flexibility we need Also something to think about is if he's 23 goes unrestricted the value might be much higher then at 21 If he goes unrestricted at age 23 then he will be a bigger bust than Hugh Jessiman. There is no way he goes UFA. You're confusing RFA and UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 For the record, I remember Marty had spoke about team bonuses on a game by game basis on small achievements, such as getting a shutout or holding a team under twenty shots. Those were eliminated with the new CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Well, that's really a performance bonus and I want to take Lou at his word here. You don't get more ice time for sucking. A Cup win bonus is essentially a team bonus because you could stink out the joint and still win the Cup. So I don't see why you couldn't get one for setting a team mark. Maybe Presidents Trophy is more what I should be looking at for that. Like I said, there is no such thing as a team bonus. I don't know what he's giving bonuses for, but there is no such thing as a team bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Video of Larsson drinking the Lou-aide from Day 1 of camp (different from other video posted).. Talks about how much he really likes the Prudential Center facilities http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=53&id=120797 Edited July 16, 2011 by Colin226 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Awesome stuff. Honestly I think it makes sense for all parties as well though. Almost $1 mill a year at 18ish is not bad money. This way he gets to make the team as soon as possible, without to much AHL time hopefully (which is usually bad news for europeans), and he'll get his real money sooner rather then later down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) Tri, I am looking through the stats of Victor Hedman from 2009-10 and you seem to think if he has a similar rookie season it wouldn't be worth starting his contract. Here is a little rundown of Hedman's season though. Quality of Com - 0.025 Quality of team - 0.047 Corsi relative to qoc - 0.375 Corsi releative to qot - 0.504 GFGA ON+-: +0.05 GFGA OFF+-: -0.71 SH% - 10.23% OZone start - 49.8 OZone finish - 45.4 Those stats on the 6th worst team in the NHL...I would say they are close to a #3 or #4 defensmen. Not to mention most will agree Larsson is better at this age then Hedman was so it could be fair to say he can play at a #3 level in his rookie season even as an 18/19 year old. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see 20-25 points depending on the PP time he sees. A great first pass on a team with Kovalchuk, Tedenby, Parise ect may be good for a few points. Edited July 18, 2011 by Jas0nMacIsaac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Kind of looks uncomfortable in front of the camera haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Can't wait till pre-season to see the Tallinder - Larsson pairing in action! I'm not sure I want two of our better puck movers on the same pair. I think Larsson fits well with White, leave Fayne with Tallinder. They have some chemistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 jason: so now victor hedman is a success? in 2009-10 he was a bust. anyway, hedman had a decent year. tampa bay is a team desperate for help. new jersey is not a team desperate for help. if he earns a spot, then sure, but hedman was gonna be in the NHL almost regardless of what happened - he had to beat out matt smaby for a job. larsson is going to have to beat out better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 jason: so now victor hedman is a success? in 2009-10 he was a bust. anyway, hedman had a decent year. tampa bay is a team desperate for help. new jersey is not a team desperate for help. if he earns a spot, then sure, but hedman was gonna be in the NHL almost regardless of what happened - he had to beat out matt smaby for a job. larsson is going to have to beat out better players. I never said he was a bust, I said he would not match the swedish hype...which I don't think he ever will....nor will Larsson. You aren't involved in scouting at all, you don't necessarily hear the praise he recieved as a 16 year old in the SEL. Hedman and Larsson were said to be the next Lidstrom or the Swedish Pronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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