Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 weak sauce J... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 how's that annoyingly interrupting a conversation, busting on the guy and using the expression Tri brought to the board. Hmeh - that's what the peanut gallery is for. (You know -- I've always considered myself a proud member of the peanut gallery. I think you guys should know that.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I never said he was a bust, I said he would not match the swedish hype...which I don't think he ever will....nor will Larsson. You aren't involved in scouting at all, you don't necessarily hear the praise he recieved as a 16 year old in the SEL. Hedman and Larsson were said to be the next Lidstrom or the Swedish Pronger. Anyone who said those things is a fool. Lidstrom wasn't even the next Lidstrom, he was drafted in the 3rd round, and Lidstrom had played exactly 0 NHL games by the time he was as old as Hedman is right now. Pronger didn't come into the league and dominate either. It took him 3 years to become a plus player, and he was old for the 1993 draft - his first plus season was at 22. So maybe your problem wasn't calling Hedman a bust, which I seem to remember you doing in chat (someone did, anyway - hell, it might've even been me, but i doubt it), your problem was listening to hype. Franchise forwards can be predicted. Franchise defensemen, forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Anyone who said those things is a fool. Lidstrom wasn't even the next Lidstrom, he was drafted in the 3rd round, and Lidstrom had played exactly 0 NHL games by the time he was as old as Hedman is right now. Pronger didn't come into the league and dominate either. It took him 3 years to become a plus player, and he was old for the 1993 draft - his first plus season was at 22. So maybe your problem wasn't calling Hedman a bust, which I seem to remember you doing in chat (someone did, anyway - hell, it might've even been me, but i doubt it), your problem was listening to hype. Franchise forwards can be predicted. Franchise defensemen, forget it. Where does that come off as me saying he is a bust. Nathan MacKinnon will almost certainly fail to live up to the expectations, that doesn't mean I don't think he has a solid chance to be a 1st line player. I just don't think he is near as good as early scouting reports indicate. It isn't as if I believed the hype in Hedman, then was terribly upset when he wasn't matching it. I understand he is a different situation then Lidstrom and Pronger didn't light it up in his first 3 years, not sure what those points bring to this discussion other then saying those creating the hype are mindless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) I've been thinking about that ridiculous Lidstrom comparison so much! I was going to post in one thread (in response to an article) - what Larsson is going to be picked at 55 and play in Sweden a couple of years? (that was before the draft and I thought we didn't have a chance at him it was going to be a semi-insulting post I sounded like a jackass so I didn't rare huh? to care that I sounded like a jackass I mean.. ok -- back to your bickering... Edited July 18, 2011 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 weak sauce J... I would rather you elaborate on your post rather then leaving a snitty response that has no bearing in this thread. If you have an point on the topic then feel free to share. My post is weak sauce because... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Where does that come off as me saying he is a bust. Nathan MacKinnon will almost certainly fail to live up to the expectations, that doesn't mean I don't think he has a solid chance to be a 1st line player. I just don't think he is near as good as early scouting reports indicate. It isn't as if I believed the hype in Hedman, then was terribly upset when he wasn't matching it. I understand he is a different situation then Lidstrom and Pronger didn't light it up in his first 3 years, not sure what those points bring to this discussion other then saying those creating the hype are mindless. the point is that hedman could still be as good as lidstrom or pronger - in fact, it's probably more likely that he will live up to being that good than it was when he was 16, even though it's still quite unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) I didn't want to steal Tri's thunder. Because are YOU in scouting? Do you think you're privy to something more than Tri is in terms of scoUting? If not then it's a stupid thing to post. You have both wasted the past few responses basically reaching the conclusion that you agree that hockey prospect pundits are morons. It seems also by BOTH of your admission all you needed to do was say you didn't say he was a bust. No need to justify or tell Tri he's not a scout (as if you are?). Right? Short and sweet and truthful no trace of defensiveness. Did you really want to read that? Edited July 18, 2011 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) I didn't want to steal Tri's thunder. Because are YOU in scouting? Do you think you're privy to something more than Tri is in terms of scoUting? If not then it's a stupid thing to post. You have both wasted the past few responses basically reaching the conclusion that you agree that hockey prospect pundits are morons. It seems also by BOTH of your admission all you needed to do was say you didn't say he was a bust. No need to justify or tell Tri he's not a scout (as if you are?). Right? Short and sweet and truthful no trace of defensiveness. Did you really want to read that? I am atlantic region scout for future considerations...next. Edited July 18, 2011 by Jas0nMacIsaac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 for who's future considerations... ANSWER PLEASE... horses ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 for who's future considerations... ANSWER PLEASE... horses ass futureconsiderations.ca I have scouting credentials for junior, CHL and junior tournaments....making me a scout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) and what's to "understand" especially about scouting in terms of Hedman and Larsson? You wrote NOTHING except what otehr said. You said so little that I had no way of knowing you had an inkling what you were writing about. That was why it was weak sauce. I disagree with most of your opinions on players unless it's glaringly obvious. You lack a certain emotional perception -- it can be learned, but posts like this tells me you are NOT on the road to learning. Seriously. You applied and got a job -- I see no credentials - and your posts tell me you have a LOT to learn about the art of scouting. You're solely a technician. End of story. Only your posts can convince me otherwise - and lucky for me, you don't have to nor do you want to convince me. I've been on you about this since day one for you on this board. I'm really glad you have the job BTW -- I just wish you'd learn about PEOPLE! Edited July 18, 2011 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) You know -- I write like an a$$hole sometimes Jason -- I seriously want you to succeed! It woudl be awesome for you. Remember when I said Voros just wasn't going to make it and you thought I was dead wrong and using no logic? Do you understand what I meant about him now? It's that thing you are so close to having. Can you read people? That's what you've got to practice. And it's a nailing on the first impression thing, not learning an in depth psychology. It's a gift -- but all gifts can be learned with a lot of hard work too though no matter how abstract the skill might seem. Technician is fine for scouting - but that sight gives you the Conte power. It makes me giddy even thinking about it... hehehehehehehehe Seriously -- no need to say a thing -- just let yourself slip into my weird posts without passing judgement -- float in that space. You have to suspend personal defensiveness and judgement. You're so smart and you have it too -- you just get in your own way too much. I'm so happy for you taking this road! Edited July 18, 2011 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Haha love it when someone gets shown up like PK did and instead of eating humble pie she attacks Jason personally. Yeah he is a scout and knows nothing about players or people... yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) DM84 - we aims to please I've been condescending to Jason since he was in high school - you don't know the HALF of what the guy has put up with. He's always shutting me down though so ... He should also notice how you're trying to shut him off from growing emotionally. You've got that defensive know-it-all thing down pat much to your detriment. You don't care about Jason -- you care about you. Edited July 18, 2011 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 ...... (Another valuable contribution to a thread by D118) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) I know... I'd feel bad -- but I didn't ruin any productive hockey talk between Tri and Jason. and you know -- I am being an a$$hole. I mean I was annoyed at DM84 for giving Jason permission to just ignore my comments. But I sound like SUCH a major a$$hole no matter what I think my motivation is, you know? I should just stfu - chips fall where they may I have no impact on ANYONE's life and what a fvcking EGO I have thinking I -- man that I have ANY business taking these liberties with a dude (MacIsaac) who has probably in fact asked me NOT to address him, you know? I'm sure no one doubts my sincerity but still -- someone shut me up! I do doubt DM84s motive but still -- whatever works! Jason -- I am TOTALLY sorry for being a jackass. You deserve the respect and I treat you like I'm superior which I totally am not (except maybe in my own little hockey forum world in my mind) Seriously - I apologize! DM84 - good advise - now try it yourself some time!! Edited July 18, 2011 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Jas0nMacIsaac, I never knew you actually got into scouting officially, congrats man! I've appreciated reading your opinions over the years and I've enjoyed FC stuff the past few years. Keep it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 From what I've read and the limited action I've seen of Larsson, I cant really see a comparison besides Ohlund and maybe Hedman himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 and what's to "understand" especially about scouting in terms of Hedman and Larsson? You wrote NOTHING except what otehr said. You said so little that I had no way of knowing you had an inkling what you were writing about. That was why it was weak sauce. I disagree with most of your opinions on players unless it's glaringly obvious. You lack a certain emotional perception -- it can be learned, but posts like this tells me you are NOT on the road to learning. Seriously. You applied and got a job -- I see no credentials - and your posts tell me you have a LOT to learn about the art of scouting. You're solely a technician. End of story. Only your posts can convince me otherwise - and lucky for me, you don't have to nor do you want to convince me. I've been on you about this since day one for you on this board. I'm really glad you have the job BTW -- I just wish you'd learn about PEOPLE! I never asked for your approval of my scouting ability. All I stated was that I was a scout and that pertained to my arguement with Tri. I'm not bashing Tri, hell if he develops some sort of formula or stat that helps with scouting then power to him but he would be the first one to point out he isn't overly interested in prospects or scouting. I certainly don't need you lecturing me on what I need to learn, when I have multiple viewings my track record is pretty damn good in recent years. I didn't look for the job, they came asking me to apply. Thankyou everyone else for your kind words. I certainly hope to mix this profession with my military career if possible. It has been a hobby of mine for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I know... I'd feel bad -- but I didn't ruin any productive hockey talk between Tri and Jason. and you know -- I am being an a$$hole. I mean I was annoyed at DM84 for giving Jason permission to just ignore my comments. But I sound like SUCH a major a$$hole no matter what I think my motivation is, you know? I should just stfu - chips fall where they may I have no impact on ANYONE's life and what a fvcking EGO I have thinking I -- man that I have ANY business taking these liberties with a dude (MacIsaac) who has probably in fact asked me NOT to address him, you know? I'm sure no one doubts my sincerity but still -- someone shut me up! I do doubt DM84s motive but still -- whatever works! Jason -- I am TOTALLY sorry for being a jackass. You deserve the respect and I treat you like I'm superior which I totally am not (except maybe in my own little hockey forum world in my mind) Seriously - I apologize! DM84 - good advise - now try it yourself some time!! **advice Also all you do is attack me personally in a rambling nonsensical way and even brought me into arguments that I was not even a part of. How did I give Jason permission to just ignore you? I swear you see things that are not even there and go off in another one of your crazy cat lady rants. I never asked for your approval of my scouting ability. All I stated was that I was a scout and that pertained to my arguement with Tri. I'm not bashing Tri, hell if he develops some sort of formula or stat that helps with scouting then power to him but he would be the first one to point out he isn't overly interested in prospects or scouting. I certainly don't need you lecturing me on what I need to learn, when I have multiple viewings my track record is pretty damn good in recent years. I didn't look for the job, they came asking me to apply. Thankyou everyone else for your kind words. I certainly hope to mix this profession with my military career if possible. It has been a hobby of mine for years. She will lecture you non-stop. She has a passive-aggressive narcissim kinda thing going with a lot of her comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 My apology was sincere - let me have it -- I earned it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I hate player comparisons personally. I get why people do it, but honestly...Larsson will play like Larsson (to state the obvious). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 No need to apologize , just don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 ...*bump* And back on-topic, to an extent... piece from Lighthouse Hockey about the use of ELCs and player value. Just for reading. Is "burning" ELC years really so bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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