CarpathianForest Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Well said. Dude, you're so fvcking annoying sometimes. I'm sure if we had Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Doughty and a 2002 era Nick Lidstrom singed with Dominic Hasek as backup you'd still poo-poo this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberite Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Forget it, Amberite. It's MantaRay. I guess I'm still holding out hope that one day a light bulb will pop over his head and he'll suddenly get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Well, after all the changes over the past year I'd say this is rebuilding whether Lou admits it or not. Feels like we are in the middle of a three year plan. As of now we are not a serious contender for the Cup this season. Our team is status quo from last year minus a few players. I know Marty is in his last years but I think the choice to be in this position is beyond Lou's current control. Hopefully Larsson becomes a star and fast. Well said. How can you be so pessimistic when you havent even seen the chemistry or the team play for that matter? Edited July 28, 2011 by Quinn01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I agree that cap flexibility is useful, but in and of itself it doesn't bring us closer or further. If used appropriately then sure. But if we're using our additional cap flexibility to give Parise 10 million over X years instead of 8 million over X years it doesn't matter. We only gain flexibility this season to make a deadline deal, which is OK, but the cost of that is Brian Rolston. We actually slightly decrease our flexibility next season. My point is not that this trade is necessarily bad, just pointless as far as progress is concerned. I think we got a decent player in exchange for a decent player. I liked Rolston, and I feel like we pretty much got back a player slightly worse than Rolston for a better salary. Who'd you expect to get in return for Rolston: Michael Grabner or Kyle Okposo. We gave up Rolston plus a conditional 2012 pick for Trent Hunter. IMO that's a lot better than expected. We got a conditional 3rd round pick for Langs who IMO still had a bit more life than Rolston. It's a good deal. Now, smile or I'll smack your face off your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Thats what happens when your on the Rolston train. After Langs, it was Arnott. After Arnott it was Rolston. Who is next in line? first guess..Clarkson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) The money for the Hunter savings won't be turned into a Parise contract until Hunter passes his physical Look for a very last minute deal with Parise (if there is one) next week I think he already did pass the NHL physical. He just has to take a physical with New Jersey's doctors but that shouldn't affect the trade seeing how he already passed the NHL's. TG - Lamoriello said Trent Hunter's knee is "100 percent" and he has been cleared by doctors. He'll undergo a physical with Devils' docs too. Edited July 28, 2011 by Jerzey Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 How can you be so pessimistic when you havent even seen the chemistry or the team play for that matter? I'm not pessimistic. I think the team will be good not great. I think we have a good shot at the playoffs, I don't think right now we are a cup contender. The team is similar to last year andplayoffs will depend on the new interchangeable players and the new coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 How can you be so pessimistic when you havent even seen the chemistry or the team play for that matter? Clearly they know something we don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I didn't say anything about losing or replacing Parise. I said the contrary, that I feel that we should be able to keep Parise and that Rolston's salary really shouldn't impact that. I did say that I don't think offering Parise 10 million per year is a good idea, though if it came to that I would. I don't think 7.5ish per year for 7 or 8 years is unreasonable. If Parise truly wouldn't have signed for that much, its the only way the Rolston trade is a win in my mind. I don't know one way or another if thats the case, or if Lou just wants cap flexibility over the course of this season. Edit: When Manta even sorta agrees with you it makes me a little concerned What is wrong with giving us a little bit of breathing space this season? If Parise signs your "7.5ish" deal then we are right up against the cap ceiling. If he wants a little bit more than that, then we're screwed. If you want Parise signed then you should like this deal. Maybe it won't have a direct impact on the cap hit, but it, at the very least, gives Lou a bit more wiggle room to get a deal done that both sides are happy with. I can't say I agree with your concern about losing 39-year-old overpaid Rolston, it just doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microwavepizza Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm not sure yet if this team is going to be a contender... i'm not saying this to be pessimistic, just being realistic the team is built like one, but theres a lot of new pieces involved, and we don't know how they will mesh I think well make the playoffs in the middle of the pack somewhere, and i hope we go far (as every year) but from a realistic standpoint, i don't think we should say whether or not were a true contender... i guess its just talk for talk sake in the offseason and people having that bad taste in their mouth from the first 41 games from last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) I'm not pessimistic. I think the team will be good not great. I think we have a good shot at the playoffs, I don't think right now we are a cup contender. The team is similar to last year andplayoffs will depend on the new interchangeable players and the new coach. Yeah, except, you know, adding a 40 goal scorer to the top line for nothing in exchange. Otherwise, exact same team. But not really. Edited July 28, 2011 by iamtheprodigy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberite Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Who'd you expect to get in return for Rolston: Michael Grabner or Kyle Okposo. We gave up Rolston plus a conditional 2012 pick for Trent Hunter. IMO that's a lot better than expected. We got a conditional 3rd round pick for Langs who IMO still had a bit more life than Rolston. It's a good deal. Now, smile or I'll smack your face off your face. The pick was actually misreported, and never actually happened. It was a straight up 1-to-1 trade, no picks involved, which obviously makes this deal that much more of a win for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure yet if this team is going to be a contender... i'm not saying this to be pessimistic, just being realistic the team is built like one, but theres a lot of new pieces involved, and we don't know how they will mesh There really aren't that many new significant faces though; Who was added? Three 4th liners (Cam, Boulton, Hunter), and maybe Larsson...? It's not like last year where the team's #1 & 2 d-men were new and not accustomed to the system and we were playing 3 rookie D at one point Edited July 28, 2011 by Devilsfan118 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm not pessimistic. I think the team will be good not great. I think we have a good shot at the playoffs, I don't think right now we are a cup contender. The team is similar to last year andplayoffs will depend on the new interchangeable players and the new coach. New Coach. Taormina most likely back on D with Larsson. Rolston gone. Parise healthy. A few other intimidators added. The team is shaping up. Im not the most optimistic person myself but I wouldnt be so quick to call us out of the cup just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Dude, you're so fvcking annoying sometimes. I'm sure if we had Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Doughty and a 2002 era Nick Lidstrom singed with Dominic Hasek as backup you'd still poo-poo this team. Crap, just take your medicine and shut-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microwavepizza Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 There really aren't that many new significant faces though; Who was added? Three 4th liners (Cam, Boulton, Hunter), and maybe Larsson...? It's not like last year where the team's #1 & 2 d-men were new and not accustomed to the system between the new coach (again) plus the D men (Larsson/Tao) a healthy parise, Hunter + Cam/Boult its enough to change the way the lines are formed and how the team feels about itself...and the feelings from last season also come into play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberite Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yeah, except, you know, adding a 40 goal scorer to the top line for nothing in exchange. Otherwise, exact same team. But not really. Plus a more experienced Tedenby and Josefson, a more acclimated Volchenkov and Tallinder, a coach who (hopefully) knows how to run a team, and very possibly Larsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yeah, except, you know, adding a 40 goal scorer to the top line for nothing in exchange. Otherwise, exact same team. But not really. Yea, we were great with Parise last year (iajmf). Listen we definitely lack depth and a star d-man as of right now, you can admit that or divert and continue to talk about how good our top forward line is. Again, I see us making the playoffs as a 6-8 seed. Cup contenders I don't see us as unless was add someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) What is wrong with giving us a little bit of breathing space this season? If Parise signs your "7.5ish" deal then we are right up against the cap ceiling. If he wants a little bit more than that, then we're screwed. If you want Parise signed then you should like this deal. Maybe it won't have a direct impact on the cap hit, but it, at the very least, gives Lou a bit more wiggle room to get a deal done that both sides are happy with. I can't say I agree with your concern about losing 39-year-old overpaid Rolston, it just doesn't make sense. Very good question. I don't like that we traded Rolston, to have as you aptly worded it, "a bit more wiggle room" to get a deal done with Parise. Having Rolston on the roster if anything improves Lou's negotiating position, he can say 'we love you and we want you here for the rest of your career and we can do that at 7ish million. Now Parise's camp can say you have room to pay us 10 million, and the Devils would do it if thats the only way Parise will sign. In this scenario, we lost our wiggle room, and lost Rolston. Summary - This scenario is my primary concern: Parise may have signed for 7.5ish. Now that we have extra cap space he may demand that extra cap space. In the end, all we did was swap Rolston for Hunter and I prefer Rolston. I can see the other side of the coin and there are excellent points all around. This is just where I stand. Edited July 28, 2011 by StormJosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Plus a more experienced Tedenby and Josefson, a more acclimated Volchenkov and Tallinder, a coach who (hopefully) knows how to run a team, and very possibly Larsson. This is a point I had thought about and hopefully Josefsen and Ted become serious threats. But as acclimated as Tallinder and Volchenkov might have become they will be playing with their 3rd Devils coach already and this will be their first year with him. They'll have to get acclimated again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberite Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Yea, we were great with Parise last year (iajmf). Listen we definitely lack depth and a star d-man as of right now, you can admit that or divert and continue to talk about how good our top forward line is. Again, I see us making the playoffs as a 6-8 seed. Cup contenders I don't see us as unless was add someone else. This is a really unfair comment. It's like buying a BMW 750 with engine problems that need to be repaired and saying the car is worthless. Parise was playing injured (he confirmed this). We had a lot of new players. MacLean was unsure how to run the team. It was just not a good situation. Edited July 28, 2011 by Amberite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) between the new coach (again) plus the D men (Larsson/Tao) a healthy parise, Hunter + Cam/Boult its enough to change the way the lines are formed and how the team feels about itself...and the feelings from last season also come into play +1. Just the fact that all the players know that there is someone out there now, whether its Cam or Bou, that will throw it down if need be for them. This also takes a little pressure off Clarkson and allows him to focus more on his game rather then being the tough guy. It makes everyone more confident....a constant cycle of testosterone. Edited July 28, 2011 by Quinn01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilinLA Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) If any devils fan is not happy by this move than I really am forced to question your understanding of the NHL salary Cap era. A week ago the majority here thought BR was umoveable. Now here are the benefits of this move: 1.) Roster space for younger players 2.) A $3M savings 3.) The option of burying Hunter for a $5M savings THIS year - a move to AHL - either way FLEXIBILITY. 4.) The potential that Hunter lives up to his contract and provides any minimal RW support and grittiness. 5.) A change in attitude that the Ol' Devils Vet Club (Arnott, Langs, Rolston, etc.) days are indeed done. With the exception of those who have a shot at rafter-hanging aka (Elias, Brodeur) This $$$ can be spent elsewhere. All of these things can equate to: 1.) ZP retention 2.) Potential additions (however unlikely) 3.) Youth and energy Even those folk who enjoy taking shots at LL can at least admit he cleaned up his mess. Lastly, if you thought we were a lock for a "contendor" this year, and the loss of Rolston makes you question that - I can't help you. At the very least this allows us to keep Parise and IF we get close to looking dangerous add at the deadline. Edited July 28, 2011 by DevilinLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Soul Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 just saw this and i officially sh!t my pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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