hystyk28 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I was told about 6 weeks ago ago that there is concern over his knee and don't expect more than a 1 yr deal, whether by an arbitraitor or agreed upon. I guess, I now know I have a decent source, hopefully next time the info I get brings better news. Maybe it is also easier for LVB to find financing for buying out his partners without an additional long term debt on his plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Your analysis is also hinging on the fact that Parise signs long term. Of course it works out fine if he does, but if he was in our longterm plans, WE HAVE THE CAP SPACE TO DO IT NOW. Why wait!? Remember last season when we were right up at the cap? Lou had to hit Salvador over the head with a baseball bat! A little room allows us to have options, as well as keep teams from having us by the balls if we need to dump cap or pick up a player at the deadline who has a higher hit.. A little room is beneficial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grcenter47 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 well played. I'd post the Gomez thread, but I couldn't find it. You catch my drift, though. i found this (thanks for nominating me nicest poster) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Man Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Hate to say I told you so, but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Parise will be saying how he always bled Ranger Blue on July 2, 2012. In any event, this has everything to do with an $80 million loan coming due on September 1 ... e'hem I forgot "ownership issues." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Poster Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) Holy...calm the fvck down and put away the rope and stepstools. First, this is a hell of alot better then arbitration and both sides knew it. This was a much better route and it shows me a positive, not a negative on both sides. This is also prudent on the part of the Devils to make sure Parise is the same player. Knee injuries aren't always 100% predictable, even with the advances in modern surgery/technology and the Devils have to protect their investment. Would you really want a franchise cornerstone tied up in a long term deal if a big part (speed, skating abilty) of his game is gone? Hasn't this team had enough with bad contracts already? Negotiating after Jan 1st buys time for the ownership situation to settle (if this is playing any part whatsoever). Besides, they can talk all they want with Arnott and Parise unless Parise says no as it's a distraction. They can work a deal in principle in, say, October and sit on it until 1/1. It's not bad thing. I can't argue with this. I think it's clear all good intentions are there and they are taking the best route for all. Why they can't sign long term right now is anyone's guess, but i think it's pretty clear that they are trying to do what's right for player and team. There's $ coming off during the Summer of 2012, so he'll get anything he wants which he knows already. Bottom line? The only thing keeping Zach Parise from being a Devil...is Zach Parise. Now get out and enjoy the Summer. Edited July 29, 2011 by SJP20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 6 mill is a good cap hit too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 or Rafalski. The point isn't the end result, the point is that we don't exactly have the best track record when our budding stars hit the market. didn't miss out there, either. if NJ could wheel out datsyuk, zetterberg, and lidstrom for rafalski to play with, it would've been a safer investment. If Zach isn't a part of the future of the Devils, he shouldn't take the ice for us next year. Trading him for a valuable asset (like a Drew Doughty) is galaxies better than watching him walk to the Rangers. dude if you thought zach parise could be traded for drew doughty, i suggest sobering up before making your next post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I LOL'd at the "Isles got DP'd" reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 6 mill is a good cap hit too What precisely do we need the extra cap space for at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 all I can say is I've always felt Zach was leaving next July... so I see this deal as a better step than arbitration. Does this deal have a NTC? It's going to be interesting in the new year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risky Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 If we lose Zach to free agency, it's going to be very hard to forgive. I hope this is part of some master plan, but I have real trouble believing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam85491 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I like how you say we don't have a good history of re-signing star players...and I don't have to go back far at all to see that we re-signed brodeur, elias, kovalchuk, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Does this deal have a NTC? It's going to be interesting in the new year.... it can't have an NTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster13 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I would love to see Parise stay a Devil for the rest of his career but this kind of deal had to be done. First make sure Parise is the same guy he was before his injury and then lock him up long term. The only thing that makes me nervous is him hitting free agency and then signing with the Rangers for 10 years at 8 million per. And what if the Devils have a bad season again, would Lou deal him at the deadline if they haven't agreed on a contract extension by then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 If Zach isn't a part of the future of the Devils, he shouldn't take the ice for us next year. Trading him for a valuable asset (like a Drew Doughty) is galaxies better than watching him walk to the Rangers. Geez, enough already. And enough with the "bad track record" when it comes to re-signing guys...you're completely ignoring the number of guys Lou's kept through the years. Yeah, he's lost some guys...that happens...can't keep everybody. Who did you want that Lou let get away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I would love to see Parise stay a Devil for the rest of his career but this kind of deal had to be done. First make sure Parise is the same guy he was before his injury and then lock him up long term. The only thing that makes me nervous is him hitting free agency and then signing with the Rangers for 10 years at 8 million per. And what if the Devils have a bad season again, would Lou deal him at the deadline if they haven't agreed on a contract extension by then? But if he's the same guy as he was before, and perhaps even if not, the only thing keeping him from testing the market is the expiration of the CBA, and even that might not make a difference. First my Gionta jersey, and now my Parise one. Stevens is now officially going on my throwback. That will never lose its value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) if we remember, elias was coming off an injury that could've threatened his career. he went UFA, but signed with NJ that night. marty: what you're missing is that when a player negotiates with a team, he downplays the risk in his own contract. the devils and parise were probably miles apart on a contract because NJ would want to sign a deal that mitigates the risk involved with signing a guy coming off a knee injury, and parise would have no interest and doing so. plus there's ownership issues overriding this entire thing. i have to imagine those will be cleared up by july 1 of next year. Edited July 29, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofrostonoo Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Maybe, They elected arbitration to prevent an offer sheet. They sign a 1 year deal for 6 million with the intention of canceling the arbitration so that they can negotiate and get a deal done before training camp...regardless 6 mil a year for the first year of a structured contract seems smart and about right. I don't think they will make Zach "test" his knee for the contract or also put pressure on him to play for a contract this season.... if he plays great I'm sure he gets some huge un-matchable offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 excuse me for not rubbing Lou's balls again. He didn't get a deal done, that sucks. If he does before next summer, all will be forgiven. If Parise walks, this is a terrible fvcking move. What, exactly, don't you agree with? Probably the part where people act like Parise is already gone and the part where you add you'll take back all the complaining if it turns out to be much ado about nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I also don't buy into his health being an issue. He didn't tear his ACL, and he would have been back for the playoffs if we had made it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 excuse me for not rubbing Lou's balls again. He didn't get a deal done, that sucks. If he does before next summer, all will be forgiven. If Parise walks, this is a terrible fvcking move. What, exactly, don't you agree with? It's not that black-and-white. If Parise plays poorly and walks, is it still a terrible fvcking move? You have exactly one scenario playing out: Zach plays at the top of his game and leaves...apparently, as far as you're concerned that's all that can happen. They still have time to get something done, and Zach has said repeatedly that he wants to stay. Guess you've decided throwing a sh!t-fit is the only way to react to this. I just can't pick one scenario (the worst one) and assume that's how this is going to play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) What is the big deal!? Everyone is bugging out for no reason. If Zach wants to remain a Devil he will be resigned after January 1st (ala Lundqvist) and he will get a good contract from us. If he doesn't want to be a Devil and wants his cash well screw him, he will get it somewhere else. End of story. Edited July 29, 2011 by Zubie#8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Poster Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 If Zach isn't a part of the future of the Devils, he shouldn't take the ice for us next year. Trading him for a valuable asset (like a Drew Doughty) is galaxies better than watching him walk to the Rangers. Today's events does not signal anything negative even though a long term deal was not reached. I think most fans should be relieved they didn't go to arbitration. Is it frustrating they can't hammer this out? Sure, but i think there's alot of trying to get this right more then trying to fvck it up. The NYR talk is fear and conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I'm not happy but I'm not 'the sky is falling' upset. 2 questions. $6 mil? Coming off of an injury that forced you to miss basically a season, is a $1 mil bump in actual salary (as an RFA) market value or a little over? Are they in the ballpark $$ wise but not length? I guess I'm asking if there are any clues with 6 mil. Why sign today? why not wait until weds to announce it? Either Zach want to test FA or Lou doesn't trust his knee. Any other reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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