MartysGlove Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Volchenkov Tallinder Salvador Greene Larsson Foster Fayne Eventually, we will have 7 healthy defensemen.. and I'm not sure if any of the guys really deserve to sit. It would be between Foster and Larsson.. and I'd rather not sit Larsson. Foster, I personally would since I don't think his defensive meltdowns are worth his PPQB abilities. But still, he's working on the PP and its getting better. We can carry all 7, dress all 7 and only play Foster on PP.. but I think thats a terrible idea. We can also do some sort of rotation.. but I also think thats a bad idea to keep messing up pairings/give less ice time to Fayne and Larsson. So what do we do? Trading Greene or Tallinder is most likely IMO.. and probably Greene at that. Hopefully we can get a mid level PMD prospect and a 2nd round pick for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Try to trade Tallinder, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoreMoreThan3 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Volchenkov Tallinder Salvador Greene Larsson Foster Fayne Eventually, we will have 7 healthy defensemen.. and I'm not sure if any of the guys really deserve to sit. It would be between Foster and Larsson.. and I'd rather not sit Larsson. Foster, I personally would since I don't think his defensive meltdowns are worth his PPQB abilities. But still, he's working on the PP and its getting better. We can carry all 7, dress all 7 and only play Foster on PP.. but I think thats a terrible idea. We can also do some sort of rotation.. but I also think thats a bad idea to keep messing up pairings/give less ice time to Fayne and Larsson. So what do we do? Trading Greene or Tallinder is most likely IMO.. and probably Greene at that. Hopefully we can get a mid level PMD prospect and a 2nd round pick for him. Is the PP really getting better though? aren't they like 4 for their last 30? Also gave up another SHG a few nights ago. IMO I've never been a HUGE Greene fan. Maybe it's just me but sometimes I catch him wondering what bark on a tree is made of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Trade a D Man for a Goaltender and keep a three man rotation at goal. Sound stupid? Totally does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Although Greene led our team in points last season, if we can package him and someone else for a more legit D man or a legit Goalie, i am 100% all for it. We gotta keep Foster AND Larsson in our lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Rattlehead18 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 (edited) I would like to trade Greene (even though i like him) and send Larsson down (he's too liable). Volchenkov Tallinder Salvador Foster Fayne Taormina/Urbom Edited December 25, 2011 by Vic Rattlehead18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 (edited) i guess we should try to figure out what our D core will be in about 2-3 years, so who's staying and who's leaving and make trades to make our team better asap. Cause there's obviously no room for everyone and we'll endup wasting talent in the AHL Its still really tricky, whats i'd like to see in about 3 years (real tricky) Larsson Merrill Urbom Taormina Fayne Volchenkov Greene (possibly at that time rotating Merrill/Urbom/Tao depending on how they are doing) so it would be assuming that we're not resigning Salvador, its gonna sound weird but even though i want the youngsters up... we could miss Sal... other than Greene and A-train he's one of the only one who can be really effective around the net blocking shots and all.... Larsson and the other young guys seems a bit numb around the net Tallinder could be traded too... but i'd wait till Tao or Urbom are ready to take the next step officially, i think he's helping all our young swedes a lot and he's a good mentor while been effective on the ice. Having his salary off the book is going to help too while younsters could bring similar production IMO. so guys like Burlon, Gelinas, Corrente would be our call ups in case of injuries which is okay for them... there would be no room for them on the roster anyways and god knows what we're gonna be drafting in the next few years so... edit: oh yeah... Foster... well i guess we could trade him for a pick or something, there's no need for him other than patching Edited December 25, 2011 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 If I had to choose out of those 7 to sit it would be Foster. With the depth the Devils have I'd be open to moving Greene in the right trade though. He hasn't been horrible but hasn't been great and I think he could be a decent trade asset. With the 7 guys (not including Urbom or Taormina), Greene ranks 5th in 5 on 5 ice time, 4th in relative corsi with a -1.2 rating despite going up against negative competition and having positive teammates on the ice with him. He also is given the 2nd highest favorable offensive zone start for any Devils defensemen in 5 on 5 situations. I think he is a useful player but the Devils may be able to replace his production from within while trading him for some help up front. A look at some 5 on 5 numbers: TOI/60 Larsson 17.73 Tallinder 17.39 Fayne 16.04 Salvador 15.39 Greene 15.14 Volchenkov 13.37 Foster 13.20 Relative Corsi Fayne 7.7 Tallinder 5.0 Larsson 1.8 Greene -1.2 Salvador -5.5 Volcehnkov -8.7 Foster -16.5 Quality of Competition Fayne 0.023 Larsson 0.011 Tallinder 0.007 Salvador -0.008 Volchenkov -0.016 Greene -0.035 Foster -0.074 Quality of Teammates Larsson 0.232 Fayne 0.196 Tallinder 0.157 Greene 0.035 Foster -0.082 Volchenkov -0.135 Salvador -0.173 P/60 Greene 1.38 Larsson 0.82 Fayne 0.66 Salvador 0.46 Tallinder 0.35 Foster 0.32 Volchenkov 0.14 Offensive Zone Start Larsson 54.1% Greene 50.8% Salvador 49.0% Fayne 48.5% Tallinder 47.4% Foster 44.1% Volchenkov 42.2% Corsi - The difference in shots attempted by the player's team and the shots attempted against the player's team in 5 on 5 situations. Relative Corsi - Measures how effective a player is in driving possession, relative to the rest of his team. It measures his raw EV Corsi relative to the raw EV Corsi of his team when he is off the ice. Quality of Competition - The measure of how good the opposition is that the player is facing when he's on the ice. A higher score (above 0) represents tougher competition, a lower score (below 0) represents weaker competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartysGlove Posted December 25, 2011 Author Share Posted December 25, 2011 I could have sworn Foster had a 2-year deal with Anaheim.. but cap geek has him as a UFA this off-season. I'm confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseydevils0324 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 (edited) There has been a lot of talk surrounding a few RW's around the league (Iginla, B.Ryan, and Hemsky) Option A (Iggy): I think that if we are doing well at the deadline and trying to add a player like we did with Kovy a couple years ago. Iggy would be a hell of an option, for the right price. I mean we would have to give up a prospect and maybe Teddy to go along with a defender other than Larsson. Iggy has 7 million cap hit, I forget how cap space works as the season goes on, but he shouldn't be to hard to fit. His contract doesn't expire until 2013 which could create cap issues to get Zach, but it would make us an extremely legitimate contender. Option B (Hemmer): Hemsky is one of the most talented guys in the league, I know Zach, Adam, and Kovy are clicking right now, but a line of Kovy/Parise-Henrique-Hemsky would be dangerous. He has a 4.1 cap hit and set to become a UFA this ofseason, could be a great rental. With plans for Merril unknown and Edmonton fairly weak on Defense, I feel his asking price won't be steep at all, certainly no Kovalchuk ransom. Hemsky is a clutch player, and has helped carry Edmonton at times, but defensive play and work ethic may be a liability. If the asking price was right though, I would pounce on it. Option C: If all else fails at the turn of the calander. For example, we go polar opposite of how we have been playing and Zach is veryuncertain of his future with the team then I think Bobby Ryan would e a great player to try to obtain. Parise for Ryan straight up wouldn't work since there is no guarentee of Zach re-signing and wouldn't make much sense unless Anahem is able to right their ship and push for a playoff spot. That being said, I think a line combo of (more like a depth chart, since I am not considering our current lines, but would like to keep them together for as long as possible). Kovy-Henrique-Iginla/Hemsky Parise-Zajac- Zubrus/Clarkson Elias-Josefson- Sykora/Clarkson Tedenby-Carter-Clarkson I am also not considering trading a forward, otherwise, the "depth chart" would look different. I think Teddy would be our most tradeable piece. I think an all-star RW like Hemsky or Iginla would make this team a competitor. They both have their risks though, Hemsky would be more of a liability on the ice, meanwhile, Iginla could hurt our payroll but I doubt he would effect the teams chemistry because he is just that kind of guy. I think tht moving a defenser like Greene or Tally would be the best option to push one of these trades through. Edited December 25, 2011 by Jerseydevils0324 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Signing Hemsky would be a bad choice. He is injured so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Tallinder is so expendable right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I dont think that we need to add a top 6 player at the deadline to be succesfulj, we already have top 9 players fighting for top 6 spots... I think we should just build a solid 3rd and 4th line getting cheaper 3rd line guys to fill our 4th line and maybe upgrade our 3rd with warriors... No need to play with our chemistry, you need depth in the playoffs... So that way its way cheaper but you really upgrade at the right place Im thinking guys like ruutu, darche and forwards like that and for a dman id like beauchemin or gorges I dont think that we need to add a top 6 player at the deadline to be succesfulj, we already have top 9 players fighting for top 6 spots... I think we should just build a solid 3rd and 4th line getting cheaper 3rd line guys to fill our 4th line and maybe upgrade our 3rd with warriors... No need to play with our chemistry, you need depth in the playoffs... So that way its way cheaper but you really upgrade at the right place Im thinking guys like ruutu, darche as forwards like that and for a dman id like beauchemin or gorges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I dont think that we need to add a top 6 player at the deadline to be succesfulj, we already have top 9 players fighting for top 6 spots... I think we should just build a solid 3rd and 4th line getting cheaper 3rd line guys to fill our 4th line and maybe upgrade our 3rd with warriors... No need to play with our chemistry, you need depth in the playoffs... So that way its way cheaper but you really upgrade at the right place Im thinking guys like ruutu, darche as forwards like that and for a dman id like beauchemin or gorges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Short term, dress all 7 and scratch someone from The Black Hole of The Universe aka The 4th Line aka Duracell Dudes aka "Energy" Line. Let Taormina or someone else take the random shift at forward. We could dress three defensemen as our 4th line and they'd do a better job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Tallinder is so expendable right now. He's one of our 2 best defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Throwing it at the wall. Tuomo Ruutu. Travis Moen Backend: Beauchemim Tim Gleason For no strict rhyme or reason. I'm bored on xmas day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Tallinder is so expendable right now. Aside from the fact that he's good, he's gone out of his way to help our army of young Swedes. They all live in the same building, they're at his place for Christmas, they drive to games together. You need that, and you're not getting that in a trade. Greene you can tree; it frees up a roster spot and you should be able to get a decent return. Tallinder's necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Iggy is done. Definitely not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Aside from the fact that he's good, he's gone out of his way to help our army of young Swedes. They all live in the same building, they're at his place for Christmas, they drive to games together. You need that, and you're not getting that in a trade. Greene you can tree; it frees up a roster spot and you should be able to get a decent return. Tallinder's necessary. Isn't that Hedberg? I know he rents an apartment in the same house as the kids, I would imagine Tallinder living in a house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 (edited) I really don't think Taormina should be off the roster, he is an ideal #7 defensmen this year that will be a #5 or #6 next year. Foster has been horrible for the Devils defensively. He is already stretching a horrible CORSI, if he doesn't make a significance in the PP in the next 10 games I'm not sure what to think. Edited December 25, 2011 by Jas0nMacIsaac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICO IS GOD Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I'd look to get rid of Salvador. I know he may not be the most coveted asset among other teams with his age/contract/last year's injury but I think he's probably the 5th best D-man we have and you have to figure Foster is here to stay after Lou dealt for him. The length of Tallinder's contract and the money left on it is pretty bad but we've seen this guy play some great hockey last year and I think we'll see his play improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Is it just me, or are some of these ideas stretches to say the least? Getting rid of Tally, Sal and Fayne? They are being leaned on the heaviest and I think they have done a pretty strong job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Is it just me, or are some of these ideas stretches to say the least? Getting rid of Tally, Sal and Fayne? They are being leaned on the heaviest and I think they have done a pretty strong job. not you at all. Just waiting for somebody to pencil in Merrill, Gelinas and Burlon as starters next year well just because. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 The Devils are a year removed from using Olivier Magnan for 19 games. They're two years removed from using an exceptionally well protected and horrible Mark Fraser for 60+ games. Why are we looking to move defensemen, again? The last time the Devils played a playoff game, they dressed Martin Skoula. The Devils don't have to make a move on defense, nor should they. They could go with 7 D splitting the back pairing time between Larsson/Salvador/Foster/Volchenkov with each getting around 15 minutes. I don't like 7 D, but it makes more sense than dressing Janssen or Sestito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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