njdevsftw Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His performance sucked, the contract just made it even worse. The point was merely that his performance (with NJ last season) would easily have been an upgrade over our current 4th liners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The point was merely that his performance (with NJ last season) would easily have been an upgrade over our current 4th liners. We don't really need a guy who is soft along the boards and doesn't do any hitting on our 4th line. A good 4th line just needs to work hard down low, hit people and not get scored on much more than they score. I don't believe Rolston would help any of those categories, except maybe the odd goal from a blueline blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregKulaga Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 rather have pando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mouse Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Zajac is an upgrade for the 4th line, and already under contract. Rolston would not be an upgrade, and would cost us money. I would rather #freezharkov than pay for Rolston, though I'm happiest with Bernier/Sykora - Josefson - Carter. Edited February 27, 2012 by mouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 We don't need either of our goalies to sustain a concussion, no friggen way do I want Rolston anywhere near this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 we just got rid of his terrible services, i doubt we would go back for seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 We can't afford it from a maintenance perspective. He wears down the plexi too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 yea the left plexis are just recovering and taking light skates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdo3043 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 missed the chance...sent to boston...when asked what he would bring he just winked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Interesting that our forum geniuses all agrees he couldn't upgrade our 4th line (Mills, Boulton, Janssen being dressed regularly), and then the champions add him going into the playoffs.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Interesting that our forum geniuses all agrees he couldn't upgrade our 4th line (Mills, Boulton, Janssen being dressed regularly), and then the champions add him going into the playoffs.. There is always a sucker out there. Boston was it today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Interesting that our forum geniuses all agrees he couldn't upgrade our 4th line (Mills, Boulton, Janssen being dressed regularly), and then the champions add him going into the playoffs.. Boulton and Janssen have TOTALLY different rolls than what Rolston's would be. A 4th liner needs to hit, bring energy, and keep the puck in the other team's zone. Rolston was already here and he couldn't contribute anything. He was soft in the corners, wouldn't go to any tough areas, and couldn't hit the ocean from the pier. Additionally, he was being scratched by the NEW YORK ISLANDERS, who have the worst offense and goal differential in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 We don't NEED the "roles" that Boulton/Janssen bring to the table tbh. They shouldn't be NHL players, Janssen especially. I'm not saying I miss Rolston that much, but I think we'd be a stronger team with him then without him. Obviously his cap hit was horrible.. I guess the Boston GM & coach must be complete retards. Oh wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 We don't NEED the "roles" that Boulton/Janssen bring to the table tbh. They shouldn't be NHL players, Janssen especially. I'm not saying I miss Rolston that much, but I think we'd be a stronger team with him then without him. Obviously his cap hit was horrible.. I guess the Boston GM & coach must be complete retards. Oh wait. Sykora's better than Rolston at exactly the same thing. Assuming Zajac comes back, Sykora probably drops to the 4th line, to play in, wait for it, the same spot Rolston would be filling. Why would we pay another player to fill a spot that will already be filled? Forgetting Boulton and Jannssen, because I think they're both worthless in the playoffs unless we draw Philly, Carter, Zharkov and Tedenby all bring another useful element to the table that Rolston does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 We don't NEED the "roles" that Boulton/Janssen bring to the table tbh. They shouldn't be NHL players, Janssen especially. I'm not saying I miss Rolston that much, but I think we'd be a stronger team with him then without him. Obviously his cap hit was horrible.. I guess the Boston GM & coach must be complete retards. Oh wait. One, yes you do need guys who can fight and protect your stars. Do you recall the end of the Philly game when the Devils went up 6-0 and Philly began gooning it up? You don't want Clarkson or Kovalchuk in the box for 5 minutes with the way they are scoring this year. Two, I never said the Boston GM was a 'retard'. Nice hyperbole. The Devils are not the Bruins. They are different teams with different pieces and chemistry. Rolston may fit a need that Boston has, but he doesn't really fit one the Devils have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I would have liked to have brought in a depth forward, but not Brian 'Sulky' Rolston. It's bad enough when New Jersey brings back guys who've proven themselves as Devils when their careers are near over, this would be a guy they would be bringing back after he's proven that his career is over. I'm not even sure that such a trade would be legal - I know it wasn't pre-salary cap. One, yes you do need guys who can fight and protect your stars. Do you recall the end of the Philly game when the Devils went up 6-0 and Philly began gooning it up? You don't want Clarkson or Kovalchuk in the box for 5 minutes with the way they are scoring this year. I do remember that, and neither Boulton nor Janssen got into a fight. This protection myth has to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) I do remember that, and neither Boulton nor Janssen got into a fight. This protection myth has to go away. Yep, but Philly gooned it up and scored 4 goals in the third. Kovalchuk did fight, and we lost him for 5 of the last 8 minutes of that game. Luckily, he didn't break his hand on Schenn's face. That 'myth' comes from the players themselves. Protection and policing are very real things in hockey, even if you can't measure them. Edited February 27, 2012 by Devil Dan 56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 How often do you see gloves-down fights during the playoffs? as far as I remember, not very often. You don't need a guy who a) can't stay on the ice for more than 45 seconds without being gassed, b) you don't need a player who does not want to fit into a system nor can play a system on your team. Seriously, we need to stop conveniently forgetting Rolston played like garbage here and then, when he did give some effort, he was gassed. See an intermission interview vs Buffalo when Rolston could have had a breakaway, but ripped a slapshot from the blue line, when asked why he did it, Rolston said, I was exhausted. He was on the ice for 30 seconds. He's 39 and wouldn't have played 4th line minutes without throwing a fit. And if you think both Boulton and Janssen will be on the same line during the playoffs, please pinch yourselves and wake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 How often do you see gloves-down fights during the playoffs? as far as I remember, not very often. You don't need a guy who a) can't stay on the ice for more than 45 seconds without being gassed, b) you don't need a player who does not want to fit into a system nor can play a system on your team. Seriously, we need to stop conveniently forgetting Rolston played like garbage here and then, when he did give some effort, he was gassed. See an intermission interview vs Buffalo when Rolston could have had a breakaway, but ripped a slapshot from the blue line, when asked why he did it, Rolston said, I was exhausted. He was on the ice for 30 seconds. He's 39 and wouldn't have played 4th line minutes without throwing a fit. And if you think both Boulton and Janssen will be on the same line during the playoffs, please pinch yourselves and wake up. Fighting is very rare for the playoffs. Players know better than to risk it. In the regular season, it happens though. And boulton does what a 4th liner should. Rolston doesn't and won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Fighting is very rare for the playoffs. Players know better than to risk it. In the regular season, it happens though. And boulton does what a 4th liner should. Rolston doesn't and won't. I think you and I are on the same page... I'm more bewildered about njdftw who thinks it woulda been a smart move. Rolston never broke 40 points after signing his $5 million plus deal. Has only 9 points this season, no way in hell would he improve our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Yep, but Philly gooned it up and scored 4 goals in the third. Kovalchuk did fight, and we lost him for 5 of the last 8 minutes of that game. Luckily, he didn't break his hand on Schenn's face. That 'myth' comes from the players themselves. Protection and policing are very real things in hockey, even if you can't measure them. Just because they believe it doesn't make it true, because I just don't think it's true. Players take all kinds of 'liberties' whether or not the opposing team has an enforcer or not. It's not a deterrent. Thankfully the Rangers think it is so they acquired John Scott, noted terrible hockey player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm more bewildered about njdftw who thinks it woulda been a smart move. I hear you. Rolston is not an awesome player! He's past his prime and going downhill. Add the fact that his cap hit was grotesque, and I was happy to see him go.. As Tri pointed out, I'm not even sure we would be allowed to bring him here, or that he would have wanted to come back anyway.. I'm just saying he'd upgrade our 4th line. Nothing more or less. The numbers (yes even his sh!tty numbers), speak for themselves when you compare them to the players I've mentioned. Depth is important, and if we have to dress Mills, Boulton or Janssen even once in the playoffs, then we could have found a use for him. I like Tedenby, but I doubt he'd be able to make an impact in the playoffs when he can't cut it in the regular season.. Maybe next year. I'm gonna leave this topic alone now, as I am not a Rolston fan, and I don't wanna be remembered as one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Just because they believe it doesn't make it true, because I just don't think it's true. Players take all kinds of 'liberties' whether or not the opposing team has an enforcer or not. It's not a deterrent. Thankfully the Rangers think it is so they acquired John Scott, noted terrible hockey player. I'm going to have to listen to the players on this one. Anyone who has played any kind of organized hockey can tell you how quickly agitation can rise over the course of a game. The most violent games can occur in situations where there are no enforcers or specialized fighters. I've seen some bad high school hockey game fights where the kids just don't understand the intricacies on what is and is not acceptable, and the fights involve swinging sticks or worse. A lot gets missed by the refs and a lot of small acts of disrespect occur on the ice (snow showers, butt ends, slew foots, etc) I'm in no way saying fighting should be allowed in high school, juniors, or any non-adult league; just showing that if you took fighting out of the game, it'd devolve into anarchy. Granted, the instigator penalty makes the enforcer less effective, but they are still a necessary part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It's easy as fvck to remove fighting and cheap shot bullsh!t from hockey. Video reviews after the games resulting in longass bans and serious fines that HURT the wallets. Money talks. Most players prefer to be eligible to play as well. There's a new CBA coming up, hopefully the league can put in place the measures they need to enforce the rules instead of these pathetic $2500 fines to players that literally make millions of dollars a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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