capo Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Players who go UFA get over paid 99% of the time. The same will be the case for both Clarkson and Elias. Not having Elias's two-way game is going to hurt extremely badly should he decide to leave. Clarkson is the rare mix of toughness and skill that is very valuable. Both players bring a lot to a team and is why they will both get paid well. It doesn't matter that Elias has been around since Santa first started giving out presents. Age will not hurt his pay day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Players who go UFA get over paid 99% of the time. The same will be the case for both Clarkson and Elias. Not having Elias's two-way game is going to hurt extremely badly should he decide to leave. Clarkson is the rare mix of toughness and skill that is very valuable. Both players bring a lot to a team and is why they will both get paid well. It doesn't matter that Elias has been around since Santa first started giving out presents. Age will not hurt his pay day. Not sure if the UFA market is going to be the same with the cap reductions. Teams will struggle to get under the cap, so I can't see they overspending anymore. I agree 100% , if we lose Elias - we are done. You can' t replace your most responible two way player and leading scorer. He can play two more years and still be in our top 3 scoreres he is that good. There is a reason teams want Clarkson: he is that rare breed of toughness and skill, which we also can't afford to lose. Lou should renegotiate now before he goes to the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglejelly Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) EDIT: wrong Thread Edited April 12, 2013 by eaglejelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caron14 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 just resign elias.... As far as we are concern with clarkson nobody will offer him 5 million (hey cap reduction is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!11) 3-4 millions for clarksy! even that i found it overpaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 In a perfect world, Patty would re-sign at a reasonable rate and end his career having played for only the Devils. But it's so rare that things work out like that these days. i really cant see patty playing in a different jersey enless they dog him with some bs offer or something that forces him to go else where.. this guy is a devil, he will end as a devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 i really cant see patty playing in a different jersey enless they dog him with some bs offer or something that forces him to go else where.. this guy is a devil, he will end as a devil. I agree. I don't think Lou will let him walk, especially since he's probably our 2nd best player right now, and still is putting up very respectable numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 and hes only 37, we will have him with us for a few more years to come yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 In a perfect world, Patty would re-sign at a reasonable rate and end his career having played for only the Devils. But it's so rare that things work out like that these days. He;s under confident if he walks. Why ruin all the effort you put in to a career with a team just to snub them in the end. Sure how many Mr Devils can you have in your history... but still. you build a house.... I guess it's fine to move out of it for more money or something I'm just one of those people who enjoy being loyal. I'm not being sarcastic or saying it's the way of integrity. I really dont feel that way. If Patty chooses to go somewhere else I'm happy for him -- and it makes that much more space in our rafters. i wouldn't want him to stay merely for a chance to get his number retired or any of that. It should be a non-issue. I guess I like nice tidy packages -- clean stories with no lose ends - no after thoughts like "and then he played his final year with the Rangers who traded him to the Flyers who relegated him to the AHL when no one picked him up on waivers. And maybe Patty should have gotten all insane at the start of the season like Stevens and his fair market value hissy fit when he was about Patty's age. It would be nice if Lou took steps before July 1st. But to read "it's to late now" which it sort of seems like Patty just said.... if I was Lou I think I'd think -- OK well then good - you can go lower on the priorities because you've already said it's too late. I dont know... I dont know what to tell the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) He;s under confident if he walks. Why ruin all the effort you put in to a career with a team just to snub them in the end. Sure how many Mr Devils can you have in your history... but still. you build a house.... I guess it's fine to move out of it for more money or something I'm just one of those people who enjoy being loyal. I'm not being sarcastic or saying it's the way of integrity. I really dont feel that way. If Patty chooses to go somewhere else I'm happy for him -- and it makes that much more space in our rafters. i wouldn't want him to stay merely for a chance to get his number retired or any of that. It should be a non-issue. I guess I like nice tidy packages -- clean stories with no lose ends - no after thoughts like "and then he played his final year with the Rangers who traded him to the Flyers who relegated him to the AHL when no one picked him up on waivers. And maybe Patty should have gotten all insane at the start of the season like Stevens and his fair market value hissy fit when he was about Patty's age. It would be nice if Lou took steps before July 1st. But to read "it's to late now" which it sort of seems like Patty just said.... if I was Lou I think I'd think -- OK well then good - you can go lower on the priorities because you've already said it's too late. I dont know... I dont know what to tell the guy. One should never allow loyalty to interfere with what they want in life. Loyalty is what allows cops to cover up their crimes. I don't want loyalty, I want consistency. If a person is consistent, I know what to expect and there's few questions. I don't want someone to be loyal though, if there's something they don't like here, don't stay because you're loyal, leave because that's better for both. The team should not really have loyalty either. I know I contradict this with my Marty statements and how he should be treated, but he's a once in a lifetime guy that even he wasn't loyal when he took cuts in pay, it was for bettering his chances at glory. Just my opinion. Edited April 12, 2013 by ATLL765 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 He;s under confident if he walks. Why ruin all the effort you put in to a career with a team just to snub them in the end. Sure how many Mr Devils can you have in your history... but still. you build a house.... I guess it's fine to move out of it for more money or something I'm just one of those people who enjoy being loyal. I'm not being sarcastic or saying it's the way of integrity. I really dont feel that way. If Patty chooses to go somewhere else I'm happy for him -- and it makes that much more space in our rafters. i wouldn't want him to stay merely for a chance to get his number retired or any of that. It should be a non-issue. I guess I like nice tidy packages -- clean stories with no lose ends - no after thoughts like "and then he played his final year with the Rangers who traded him to the Flyers who relegated him to the AHL when no one picked him up on waivers. And maybe Patty should have gotten all insane at the start of the season like Stevens and his fair market value hissy fit when he was about Patty's age. It would be nice if Lou took steps before July 1st. But to read "it's to late now" which it sort of seems like Patty just said.... if I was Lou I think I'd think -- OK well then good - you can go lower on the priorities because you've already said it's too late. I dont know... I dont know what to tell the guy. #26 is going to the rafters no matter what.....where he plays next season and beyond is a non issue..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) Why isn't John MacLean then? ATLL - I'm not sure what you thought I was writing. I used the word loyal once. I suppose you just pointed out how I'm not really "loyal" more a fan of consistency. I'd find it consistent of Lou to not negotiate and I'd accept that. Many people have told me recently that I am bizarrely confident though. Maybe you can tell me that I am not actually confident rather just complacent though Everyone says only Marty got a contract prior to becoming a free agent - but so has Stevens, White, Madden... so I guess I woudl wonder what they did to get contracts during the season. I dont know -- I just know it doesn't and wouldn't bother me. I have better things to do that worry about my own monetary value. I dont think I'd want to name my own years to start off anyhow. Look at what a position Marty is in. I dont knwo why he'd want to keep on playing if it was sub-par I dont know -= who cares? Edited April 12, 2013 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I'm less concerned about the UFAs then I am the players we have signed, 11Mil committed to Talinder, Vol & Sal??? thats awful, what was LL thinking?? He gone a bit crazy with some of these contracts!! At least Bermier, Carter & Gionta have 1 more year on the cheap!! Hopefully LL buys out Sal & Vol, can trade talinder and DOESNOT resign any of the older players, Elias, Zubrus, Sullivan, Barch, Zid or Poni, Tine for Lou to get this team younger!! Resign, calrky, Harold & Dag & Play Josephson, Tedenby, Henrique, Loktionov, Boucher, Mattuea & Merrill, Pesonen, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I'm less concerned about the UFAs then I am the players we have signed, 11Mil committed to Talinder, Vol & Sal??? thats awful, what was LL thinking?? He gone a bit crazy with some of these contracts!! At least Bermier, Carter & Gionta have 1 more year on the cheap!! Hopefully LL buys out Sal & Vol, can trade talinder and DOESNOT resign any of the older players, Elias, Zubrus, Sullivan, Barch, Zid or Poni, Tine for Lou to get this team younger!! Resign, calrky, Harold & Dag & Play Josephson, Tedenby, Henrique, Loktionov, Boucher, Mattuea & Merrill, Pesonen, etc... In Lou's defense at the time he had to do something for our defense. White was a shadow of his former self since the eye injury, Paul Martin skipped town and Mottau was just Mottau. If Lou didn't do something more fans would be calling for his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I'm less concerned about the UFAs then I am the players we have signed, 11Mil committed to Talinder, Vol & Sal??? thats awful, what was LL thinking?? He gone a bit crazy with some of these contracts!! At least Bermier, Carter & Gionta have 1 more year on the cheap!! Hopefully LL buys out Sal & Vol, can trade talinder and DOESNOT resign any of the older players, Elias, Zubrus, Sullivan, Barch, Zid or Poni, Tine for Lou to get this team younger!! Resign, calrky, Harold & Dag & Play Josephson, Tedenby, Henrique, Loktionov, Boucher, Mattuea & Merrill, Pesonen, etc... Subtract Zubrus, Elias, Tallinder and Zid. And add Josefsen, Tedenby, Boucher, Matteau, Merrill, and Pesonen. How in the hell does that help anything? Especially considering 3 or 4 of those players aren't NHL ready, and 2 have only been pro for a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 How does it help?? It starts the rebuuilding process, this team is awful right now, ( 6-20 in the last 26???) it could not be any worse!!!! Lets the Kids learn on the fly, yeah they will; make mistakes, but they will gain a ton of expeience that will help in years to come, and if Tedenby does not cut it next year then he done... Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) You have a team of all kids, and you never get out of the abyss. Just ask the Oilers. They keep trying to build around kids, and they don't get it either. Youth is only good if you have vets around to help them grow and set an example. Unless you get lucky enough to draft Crosby and Malkin in back-to-back years, but not every draft year can have someone like 'that' who's attainable. It's possible to incorporate youth while still having a vet presence. The 2000 Devils had four rookies in the starting lineup, but they still had a good group of vets around them. They need to have some more youth in this lineup, but it's not the be-all end-all it's made out to be by you and others. Edited April 12, 2013 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Default Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I have to agree, bite the bullet and rebuild, no more retooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 is there a link to patty's interview i didnt see it; seems disconcerting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 How does it help?? It starts the rebuuilding process, this team is awful right now, ( 6-20 in the last 26???) it could not be any worse!!!! Lets the Kids learn on the fly, yeah they will; make mistakes, but they will gain a ton of expeience that will help in years to come, and if Tedenby does not cut it next year then he done... Oh well... Just throwing a bunch of kids off a cliff and hoping they figure it out is not management. It's useless. More than likely, you destroy a bunch of careers with no veterans to lead. The Islanders have done this for a decade, and this year, they MIGHT make the playoffs. The Oilers try it and they are near last every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blown01NJ Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I'm less concerned about the UFAs then I am the players we have signed, 11Mil committed to Talinder, Vol & Sal??? thats awful, what was LL thinking?? He gone a bit crazy with some of these contracts!! At least Bermier, Carter & Gionta have 1 more year on the cheap!! Hopefully LL buys out Sal & Vol, can trade talinder and DOESNOT resign any of the older players, Elias, Zubrus, Sullivan, Barch, Zid or Poni, Tine for Lou to get this team younger!! Resign, calrky, Harold & Dag & Play Josephson, Tedenby, Henrique, Loktionov, Boucher, Mattuea & Merrill, Pesonen, etc... lol what a horrendous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 Just throwing a bunch of kids off a cliff and hoping they figure it out is not management. It's useless. More than likely, you destroy a bunch of careers with no veterans to lead. The Islanders have done this for a decade, and this year, they MIGHT make the playoffs. The Oilers try it and they are near last every season. im half joking here... but the team we're playing have been "throwing a bunch of kids off a cliff" with a bunch of kids they indeed "figured it out" somehow... i still don't get it really but it indeed happened haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 im half joking here... but the team we're playing have been "throwing a bunch of kids off a cliff" with a bunch of kids they indeed "figured it out" somehow... i still don't get it really but it indeed happened haha True, but I watched a bunch of those kids win a championship a couple years back in hockey's second best league. That team is very under rated and very well coached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv4Life Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Bottom line is when your team fails to make the playoffs after making the SCF TWICE under the same GM, when your players publicly admit they aren't thrilled with the way the GM handles free agents, something is seriously wrong. I just don't understand why the owner of this franchise refuses to do or say anything about it. Edited April 13, 2013 by Marv4Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH26 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Bottom line is when your team fails to make the playoffs after making the SCF TWICE under the same GM, when your players publicly admit they aren't thrilled with the way the GM handles free agents, something is seriously wrong. I just don't understand why the owner of this franchise refuses to do or say anything about it. how many other teams even have the opportunity to miss the playoffs after teh SCF finals? You really want Vanderbeek running the team instead of one of if not the best GMs in the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 how many other teams even have the opportunity to miss the playoffs after teh SCF finals? You really want Vanderbeek running the team instead of one of if not the best GMs in the sport? JVB was the prime force behind the Kovy signing. Lou would have never done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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