TheMazz Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 According to Henrique, they spoke last week and they are deciding between a long or short term deal. I'm hoping it's a 4-5 year deal personally. Henrique could very well be the future of the franchise (besides Larsson) it should be important that he is locked up long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Dan, that was my point Lou isn't deciding, instead Henrique and his agent are deciding should they take a short term deal or a long term one. They are negotiating... Lou most likely offered them a longer deal that would eat up some UFA time, and a shorter one for less money. Henrique wants the cash but doesn't want to miss lose UFA years. What is Lou supposed to decide there? Choosing between 2 offers doesn't mean you have any leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 According to Henrique, they spoke last week and they are deciding between a long or short term deal. I'm hoping it's a 4-5 year deal personally. Henrique could very well be the future of the franchise (besides Larsson) it should be important that he is locked up long term. I agree Mazz, I think 4-5 years would be perfect for Henrique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibby89 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 What's the deadline to signing Henrique? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 What's the deadline to signing Henrique? 2 weeks ago. Only kidding, there is no real deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibby89 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Haha thanks. The whole RFA signing period confuses me sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If no contract is signed, this can't go to arbitration due to the deadline to file passing right? So if he is not signed, Henrique can just hold out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If no contract is signed, this can't go to arbitration due to the deadline to file passing right? So if he is not signed, Henrique can just hold out? Pretty much. It's sign a deal or hold out and don't play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 So um .... Hey what's going on....... A deal was supposed to be close twice. This situation reminds me of a quote from the movie Snatch. Turkish: How long with the sausages Charlie? Charlie: 2 minutes Turkish. (A few minutes pass) Turkish :What's happening with them sausages, Charlie? Charlie: Five minutes, Turkish. Turkish :It was two minutes five minutes ago!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Man Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Saw this today. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Todd-Cordell/New-Jersey-Devils-How-Much-Is-Adam-Henrique-Worth/159/53084#.UfmvduYo7iw "If Henrique and the Devils agree to a short-term (2-3 years) extension, I expect he'll earn close to $3 million per season while if he signs a long-term deal I expect he'll earn about $4 million per season." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Sign him long term lets fvckin go here Lou Christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Sign him long term lets fvckin go here Lou Christ There's 2 sides to a negotiation. Henrique himself said he and his agent were weighing a short and long term deal. RFA's take longer to sign. There's much less of a deadline to worry about and much less leverage. Edited August 1, 2013 by Devil Dan 56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Sign him long term lets fvckin go here Lou Christ I get the logic there, but we don't actually know how good he is yet. He wasn't projected THAT high, had 1 very good season and 1 disappointing season. I know you want to avoid the Zach situation, but there's something to be said for taking your time to evaluate a guy before committing a ton of time to him, especially with the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibby89 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 The fact that he proved to be "clutch" during the playoff run is also a reason I'd like to see him locked up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucifersDog Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It an advantage for Lou to sign him to a short term deal but Lou doesn't like the price. Lou wants the long term price for a short term deal. Another team would have to offer $4.5 to steal him but what team would offer that for an unknown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 If he's not signed by September 1st, I'll begin to get concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'm completely fascinated by americans and their interpretation of players having some (to me, seemingly random) playoff scoring success as proof of some innate intangible attribute known as "being clutch". Equally, a couple of bad games in the playoff also means that an otherwise proven elite player can be called a "choker" and useless. I'm sure there are elements of playoffs games and the way they are played that can benefit a certain type of player, but it really seems like you guys blow the stats from these few games way out of proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'm completely fascinated by americans and their interpretation of players having some (to me, seemingly random) playoff scoring success as proof of some innate intangible attribute known as "being clutch". Equally, a couple of bad games in the playoff also means that an otherwise proven elite player can be called a "choker" and useless. I'm sure there are elements of playoffs games and the way they are played that can benefit a certain type of player, but it really seems like you guys blow the stats from these few games way out of proportion. How is this an American phenomenon? Most of the GMs in the league are Canadian, and I hear those GMs and Canadian fans talk about someone's playoff success or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 How is this an American phenomenon? Most of the GMs in the league are Canadian, and I hear those GMs and Canadian fans talk about someone's playoff success or lack thereof. Sorry, north american. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Sorry, north american. Don't know much about sports fans outside of North America, but judging by the absolute lunacy of lots of European soccer fans, I have to guess that belief in "clutchness" crosses all culturual lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Don't know much about sports fans outside of North America, but judging by the absolute lunacy of lots of European soccer fans, I have to guess that belief in "clutchness" crosses all culturual lines. European soccer leagues (besides the Champions league, which is a super-tournament) aren't decided by a playoff system, so I imagine that there's much less talk of being clutch. I don't know where the clutch narrative has come from - I want to say baseball - but njdevsftw is right, it is awfully weird. Edited August 1, 2013 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 European soccer leagues (besides the Champions league, which is a super-tournament) aren't decided by a playoff system, so I imagine that there's much less talk of being clutch. I don't know where the clutch narrative has come from - I want to say baseball - but njdevsftw is right, it is awfully weird. Can say from experience that Italians hated Baggio for missing that PK at the World Cup. I guess that counts. The clutch narrative comes from the fact that gettomg wrapped up in professional sports is an irrational activity to begin with. When you realize that otherwise intelligent people can spend much of their disposable income on watching people they don't know play a game, belief in clutchness shouldn't be that surprising a phenomenon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 "Clutchness" is not a factor in sports debates here (in Europe) at all. Some of soccers greatest players have missed important penalty shots.. Baggio, Zico, Platini, Raul, Beckham, Ronaldo.. but that never translates into a debate over whether or not they, specifically, are more prone to crumble under pressure then others. (As a sidenote, the soccer World Cup and Champion League penalty shootouts seem to make everyone extremely nervous and non-clutch. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) I definitely think there are guys who are more "clutch" than others, and guys more prone to "choking" than others, but those labels probably get thrown around more often than they should. NHL goalies and NFL QBs seem to bear the brunt of those labels more than anyone else (in baseball and basketball, it seems to be more a select few superstars who get marked as clutch or choker, regardless of what position they play). Tom Brady and Martin Brodeur are often thought of as clutch, but I've seen both of them have their share of tough times come playoff time. Not knocking either one, as I'm a huge fan of both, but it seems like once you get a ring, it seems like you're almost labeled clutch by default, even if you perform like a "choker" before and after your championship (or even during). Peyton Manning has still had a lot of disappointing playoff performances, but got the ring, so the sharks have pretty much laid off him since. I brought this up with Triumph a while back, but it's not so much "clutch" for me, as it is some guys having "the knack". The problem with the knack is that, though some guys seem to have it more than others, it's impossible to tell who will have it and who won't...overall talent and skill often doesn't seem to have that much to do with it. ARod's repeated failings in the postseason have gotten a lot of mention through the years, but in 2009, he was an absolute beast. As "unclutch" as he was in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2012 as a Yankee, he couldn't have been better in 2009. Tri and the fans' MO who don't believe in the concept of clutch will always point out that playoff samples are always small ones, and that anyone can get hot or go cold in such small periods of time. ARod played 5 playoff games in 2005, 4 in 2006, 4 in 2007, 9 in 2010, 5 in 2011, and 7 in 2012. If you point out that collectively that all of those poor small samples combined show a guy prone to slumping at the worst times, you'll still get the "small sample response" (the six playoff seasons where ARod struggled is a total of 34 games played...not much over a fifth of a season). Technically, it's not wrong, but I do think there are guys who handle the pressure of "big spots" better than others, and the guys who do that have a way of earning reputations as such. I also think there are guys who clearly struggle with the spotlight. But I also think there are guys who happen to be hot at the right times, others who are cold at the wrong ones, and it doesn't have anything to do with anything mental or physical, or being clutch or unclutch. I think there's a kind of way to define the whole clutch/choker thing to a very limited extent, but it will always be a very hard entity to quantify, and will always be over-correlated to the player in question's team winning a title. Edited August 1, 2013 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 If I'm a GM in any sport, I'd put little, if any premium on clutchness, except maybe for baseball where a particular player's performance is much less dependent on one's teammates. I've always said that Peyton Manning, despite his perceived lack of clutchness, is the superior quarterback to Tom Brady. With Brady, had he been thrown into the ringer immediately on a team bad enough to be picking number 1 overall, it's debatable whether he would have had a career of any note. But you know with Manning that if you put him on any team, it's basically an automatic ten win season. In hockey, Lunqvist has a perceived lack of clutchness. Is there really any question though that the Blackhawks would take him over Corey Crawford in a heartbeat (not accounting for things like age, salary demands, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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