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Yep, this.  No one really thought Zach was going to go to Minnesota and suck right off the bat (and if they did, it was because such fans were pissed off about him leaving more than anything else), and he hasn't...he's performing to a very Zach-like level, and that was to be expected.  It's what he does in the later years.   

 

And of course, the Wild are banking on the cap being in the $100 million range when cap recapture might become an issue.  And he'll be 40 when the contract is up.  It isn't that inconceivable that he'll still be a decent enough NHLer by then. 

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Yup of course but that's really a "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it" situation. But look at all the teams we thought would be fvcked long term and this buyout thing came out of nowhere and boom, they we're free. Not impossible that in 6-7 years that they won't be able to get away with it too somehow. We got away with Kovalchuk too. There's ways. Gomez got the Rangers freaking McDonagh! 

 

So the point is, no one want to overpay players of course but do you want to put yourself in trouble right away in the present not signing a player scared of what will happen in 8 years? 

 

of course im not saying a team should overpay players and ignore that. But it's a gamble for sure. But look at us right now, like... sweet we don't have long term bad contracts. But we also have no one to fill the arena and no one to score goals on a regular basis... Whats better? Not having top players is really hurting the team on the ice and for a marketing point of view too. 

 

Holy sh!t dude I wasn't making that argument at all.  I'm just saying what happens with long-term contracts.  The CRBF is happening no matter what.

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Holy sh!t dude I wasn't making that argument at all.  I'm just saying what happens with long-term contracts.  The CRBF is happening no matter what.

 

Not cause i brought up a few points that i thought you we're arguing. Just keeping the discussion going.

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There are things to be worried about in a few years...and cap recapture is very much a thing to be worried about if you're a team like Chicago.

it really depends on league revenues. If the cap continues to rise as expected perhaps these recapture penalties won't be as bad as they were intended to be. Edited by dmann422
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it really depends on league revenues. If the cap continues to rise as expected perhaps these recapture penalties won't be as bad as they were intended to be.

 

They're not penalties.  It is merely balancing the books.  If you pay a player $100M in 10 years and only pay $80M on the cap, you owe $20M more in fake money to make up the difference.  Otherwise because of how the NHL salary system works, you are taking money out of every other player's pocket to pay that one guy.

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They're not penalties. It is merely balancing the books. If you pay a player $100M in 10 years and only pay $80M on the cap, you owe $20M more in fake money to make up the difference. Otherwise because of how the NHL salary system works, you are taking money out of every other player's pocket to pay that one guy.

lol I understand the purpose of the recapture... You're arguing semantics so it's not that big of a deal but even cap geek uses the term "penalty". My mistake though.

Nevertheless the recapture on some of these contracts may be large but not disproportionate to the cap increase in the coming years. Take parise- if he retires in 2022 before his salary takes a dive the recapture penalty is 6.2 mil for 2 years... That may be the going rate for a good third liner by then.

Of course if he gets injured before then or his play drops off a cliff then that's another story.

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Hahaha the forward version of Kommisarek is the perfect way to describe Clarky. At least those stupid fans realize early that it was a terrible contract.

And how can we be feeling such hostility towards Clowe? He hasn't been playing which, yeah, is frustrating, but he hasn't played enough Devils hockey for us to decide if it's a good fit. As for me, I'm holding out hope, he's a guaranteed physical presence at the very least.

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Hahaha the forward version of Kommisarek is the perfect way to describe Clarky. At least those stupid fans realize early that it was a terrible contract.

And how can we be feeling such hostility towards Clowe? He hasn't been playing which, yeah, is frustrating, but he hasn't played enough Devils hockey for us to decide if it's a good fit. As for me, I'm holding out hope, he's a guaranteed physical presence at the very least.

i think with clowe the problem is the team needs him as a top 6 guy more then ever right now with half of our roster being ahl players theres no surprise why we are falling behind now.. we need him healthy especially with all of the injuries right now.. and his health is a big concern obviously
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I think Clarkson brings some intangibles to Toronto that make him worth more money there than anywhere else.

 

Being a hometown kid who went undrafted and still made it, he is a good story for the team to sell. He is also very good with the media on a team that doesn't have anyone like that. 

 

The Leafs are the most popular team in Canada, but they also attract a lot of negative media attention here because of their lack of success and the perception that ownership is more interested in making money than winning.

 

If Clarkson performs decently throughout the majority of his contract (which he isn't right now) I think the team can live with spending the money they did on a decent player who can generate some good PR and excitement.

 

Of course winning the cup would be the best PR for the team, and Clarkson's contract actually makes that harder to do. But it's easier to buy good PR than a Stanley Cup.

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not sure how you can go about supporting that comment sounds more like an opinion.

 

Pot, kettle, black.

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not sure how you can go about supporting that comment sounds more like an opinion.

 

Well in his career, Clowe averages 0.63 points per game which equates to 51 points for every 82 games played.  Clarkson on the other hand averages 0.39 points per game which equates to 32 points for every 82 games played.

 

It was wrong for me to say Clarkson has no skill.  It's just that Clowe has significantly more skill than Clarkson.

Clarkson is a bust and that is for sure but for Clowe, I still want to see how he can perform when he is healthy.

 

My concern is that he will never be healthy.  I'm a Clowe fan, but saying "if he's healthy" is looking more and more unreasonable each passing game he misses.

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clowe has already missed nearly half a season and still is not back yet.. who knows when he will end up actually being back although they have said he started skating again etc. ... however even when he comes back all its going to take is for him to get bopped in the head once and hes going to be gone once again so

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