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I think he'll fit the system like a glove.  I just think that when you get down to whether or not a player will fit your system, you can't outlay $4M in the next two years for this sort of player, not when you have other needs.

 

What other needs does his cap hit prevent the Devils from attempting to fulfill?  If it's just the idea that he creates a logjam, his salary is neither here nor there.  And unless he turns into a real dumpster fire next year, he is moveable. 

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I'm not ready to give up a top pairing defensman in his mid twenties, a draft pick in the top three rounds that we desperately need, and a prospect for a thirty year old scorer who probably wont work in our system, wants too much money, and who would probably walk at the end of his contract. No thank you. I think we're thin enough in the prospects/picks department. We're a better team keeping Fayne and future assets.

 

Fair enough, I get what you're saying.  We'll just have to agree to disagree - I definitely like Fayne as well (although I don't think he's a top pairing defenseman) but SOMEONE's gotta go, and I don't know if he's re-signed after this year anyway.  I admittedly don't know the cap situation going forward off the top of my head, but with 3.8m additional cap space locked up in Tutuu next year who knows if Fayne's even affordable.

 

And I'm not necessarily talking about Vanek - maybe Moulson, a Stafford-type player, who knows.  Pure speculation on my part obviously.

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I certainly think he'll improve puck possession, but we're already a good puck possession team. I just can't see how he adds any scoring.

 

Trickle down effect should happen. Ruutu is an upgrade offensively over Zubrus I think. Zubrus is an upgrade overall to Loktionov on the 3rd line as well. NJ doesn't need much more scoring. They are still an elite team defensively and along the boards. Tuomo is a very good at deflecting pucks and is 8 for 23 in shootouts so it is at least another option.

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What other needs does his cap hit prevent the Devils from attempting to fulfill?  If it's just the idea that he creates a logjam, his salary is neither here nor there.  And unless he turns into a real dumpster fire next year, he is moveable. 

 

Yeah except he's another older player with a history of injuries and very little upside. If he doesn't work out you might be able to get a late round pick.

 

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Clearing out Fayne takes one potential UFA off the books. He's kind of middle of the pack. He's not as valuable as Greene or some of the younger players but he's not as useless as Volch and Sal. So in my mind he's expendable. As far as prospects we're not talking Reid Boucher, but we are stacked on D prospects, we can afford to move a future player with possible NHL potential to address contemporary concerns. Finally, a 3rd or 4th round pick doesn't always equal a Datsyuk or Zetterberg. If you move all three of those things it's possible you can get a Moulson or Vanek out of the deal which addresses the scoring issues and even possibly get a late round pick in a later draft year.

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Trickle down effect should happen. Ruutu is an upgrade offensively over Zubrus I think. Zubrus is an upgrade overall to Loktionov on the 3rd line as well. NJ doesn't need much more scoring. They are still an elite team defensively and along the boards.

 

They are a top possession and defensive team, but that doesn't translate to goal scoring. How many 1-0, 2-1 type games have we lost because no one is shooting the puck. Ruutu's shots per game is only half a point more than Loktionov's. In my mind that's not going to cut it.

Ok, fine.  We didn't give up a ton to get him. 

 

You're right. We didn't give up a ton to get him. However, we didn't need his type of player in the first place.

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They are a top possession and defensive team, but that doesn't translate to goal scoring. How many 1-0, 2-1 type games have we lost because no one is shooting the puck. Ruutu's shots per game is only half a point more than Loktionov's. In my mind that's not going to cut it.

 

You're right. We didn't give up a ton to get him. However, we didn't need his type of player in the first place.

When healthy he is a 2 shots per game type player and generally has a high sh% because most shots are in close. In 20 games with Zajac and Jagr It wouldn't surprise me if he had 5 goals...he isn't a 6% shooter, that is for sure.

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Yeah except he's another older player with a history of injuries and very little upside. If he doesn't work out you might be able to get a late round pick.

 

In response to CoffeeCake:

Clearing out Fayne takes one potential UFA off the books. He's kind of middle of the pack. He's not as valuable as Greene or some of the younger players but he's not as useless as Volch and Sal. So in my mind he's expendable. As far as prospects we're not talking Reid Boucher, but we are stacked on D prospects, we can afford to move a future player with possible NHL potential to address contemporary concerns. Finally, a 3rd or 4th round pick doesn't always equal a Datsyuk or Zetterberg. If you move all three of those things it's possible you can get a Moulson or Vanek out of the deal which addresses the scoring issues and even possibly get a late round pick in a later draft year.

I think adding a Moulson or Vanek wouldn't work out well either way. I think the Ruutu trade was a message about where Lou wants to take this franchise. The Kovy deal blew up on us chemistry wise. Adding a scorer doesn't mean the teams scoring issues are solved. Besides, we're finally putting some pucks in the net, maybe this group has finally come together. Like I said, we're thin enough with picks and prospects. Let's build with what we have, and add system guys like Ruutu, maybe a Stastny this summer.

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When healthy he is a 2 shots per game type player and generally has a high sh% because most shots are in close. In 20 games with Zajac and Jagr It wouldn't surprise me if he had 5 goals...he isn't a 6% shooter, that is for sure.

 

That says a lot about the lack of talent on this team if Ruutu gets 1st line  minutes. I don't see him potting more than 3 goals in the remaining games.

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That says a lot about the lack of talent on this team if Ruutu gets 1st line  minutes. I don't see him potting more than 3 goals in the remaining games.

 

That is only even strength, he may get on the 2nd PP unit in front of the net, he won't play the PK. Lou is looking for players to fill in certain roles. It is clear Zubrus just doesn't have the offensive skill at this point to play with Jagr and Zajac and produce consistently. If Ruutu is indeed healthy (I believe NJ did their homework) then Ruutu is skilled enough to finish on their line, will destroy players on the forecheck and be very heavy along the boards. I really think Ruutu fits the makeup of this team, just like I thought Jagr and Clowe matches the makeup of this team.

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That is only even strength, he may get on the 2nd PP unit in front of the net, he won't play the PK. Lou is looking for players to fill in certain roles. It is clear Zubrus just doesn't have the offensive skill at this point to play with Jagr and Zajac and produce consistently. If Ruutu is indeed healthy (I believe NJ did their homework) then Ruutu is skilled enough to finish on their line, will destroy players on the forecheck and be very heavy along the boards. I really think Ruutu fits the makeup of this team, just like I thought Jagr and Clowe matches the makeup of this team.

 

I think a lot of the criticism of Zubrus is unfounded. He's got 10 goals and 13 assists. He's not having a stellar season but he's meeting expectations.

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I think a lot of the criticism of Zubrus is unfounded. He's got 10 goals and 13 assists. He's not having a stellar season but he's meeting expectations.

He has been good, but he is also playing with our best possession center and Jagr. If Ruutu is healthy playing with Jagr I believe he gets close to 20 goals.

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It's a bit over 1 per game but he also averages penalties taken at 1 per game. Plus if he's going to play on the first line he's going to be taking his TOI to a new level. He's around 13 minutes per game TOI

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It's a bit over 1 per game but he also averages penalties taken at 1 per game. Plus if he's going to play on the first line he's going to be taking his TOI to a new level. He's around 13 minutes per game TOI

Once again, he was coming into this season off two hip surgeries and a knee injury in camp. Looking at his career totals is probably a closer representation to what he will bring from here on out since it is said that he is finally healthy.

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Once again, he was coming into this season off two hip surgeries and a knee injury in camp. Looking at his career totals is probably a closer representation to what he will bring from here on out since it is said that he is finally healthy.

 

You can't overlook the fact that Jagr and Zajac are playing on average 19 minutes per game. I don't see how Ruutu can manage going from a career average of 13 minutes per game to 19 minutes per game.

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You can't overlook the fact that Jagr and Zajac are playing on average 19 minutes per game. I don't see how Ruutu can manage going from a career average of 13 minutes per game to 19 minutes per game.

They are around 16 minutes ES, Jagr and Zajac often fill in with 4th line players to get a little more ice time as well. I think he will be fine at 13 and a half minutes at ES.

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I just don't see how replacing Zubrus with Ruutu on that line is more effective. Granted Zubrus has played 6 more games but Zube's S% is 3 points higher, he has 14 more shots and 7 more points. It's kind of a wash IMO.

Ruutu is a career near 13% shooter, he is a better shooter than Zubrus regardless of the poor luck this season. Also, Ruutu is playing with inferior linemates. If you replace Zubrus with Ruutu, he is probably near 2 shots a game.

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That says a lot about the lack of talent on this team if Ruutu gets 1st line  minutes. I don't see him potting more than 3 goals in the remaining games.

 

 

20 points? That's a very tall order.

 

 

You can't overlook the fact that Jagr and Zajac are playing on average 19 minutes per game. I don't see how Ruutu can manage going from a career average of 13 minutes per game to 19 minutes per game.

 

 

I just don't see how replacing Zubrus with Ruutu on that line is more effective. Granted Zubrus has played 6 more games but Zube's S% is 3 points higher, he has 14 more shots and 7 more points. It's kind of a wash IMO.

 

 

If Ruutu pans out like I think he won't I'll be one of the first to inquire about his game worn Devils jersey at Meigray.

Hey, everyone. CF doesn't like the Ruutu trade. Thought I'd save you the breath.

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