Daniel Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 None of us has posted in the politics section for a while, and I have generally lost interest in it. However, I feel compelled to post something in response to the fawning portrayals of the sociopathic murderer that was Hurricane Carter -- may he be burning in hell right now if there is such a place -- that I have been reading in the past couple of days. The biopic about him is particularly vile, even by Hollywood standards. I don't have the inclination to go through the repeated lies that the press and entertainment world has fallen for, hook, line and sinker, or more likely are probably wilfully complicit in spreading. For those that are interested though, below are a few links that demolish any claim that Mr. Carter was anything more than a lying, hyperviolent psychopath. http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/index.htm http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode15.htm (The author of the second link has other views that some people might not care for, but his analysis of the Carter case is accurate). One thing that I do want to point out specifically though is the film's portrayal of the lead detective on the case, Vicent DeSimone. Detective DeSimone was an honorable and decent person that got shot in the face by the Nazis during WWII. Yet he is portrayed as a vile and deformed racist that somehow harassed Mr. Carter from a young age (completely false). The filmmakers could only get away with it because Detective DeSimone was dead when the film was released and a dead man (more specifically his estate) can't sue for libel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_DeSimone I encourage those who have the time, read the links. It's the reason why I rarely see Hollywood depictions of historical events that are politically charged. The Hurricane might be the second worst butchering of history that Hollywood has ever done next to JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Good post, Daniel. Hollywood has an agenda. Generally, bad acts by black people are whitewashed, ignored or portrayed as not their fault because of whitey's racism. It's a very sick thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Having read those two links and then gone on to look at the Media coverage around his death and other comments supporting his inncoence it really is night and day in terms of peoples oppinions on the subject. There seems to be a lot of compelling evidence to suggest he was guilty, and very little evidence avalaible to prove he wasn't. I am always intrigued by cases such as this. Normally i am conflicted and there are clear peices of evidence or information which throw up doubt on both sides, but this seems so clear cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Having read those two links and then gone on to look at the Media coverage around his death and other comments supporting his inncoence it really is night and day in terms of peoples oppinions on the subject. There seems to be a lot of compelling evidence to suggest he was guilty, and very little evidence avalaible to prove he wasn't. I am always intrigued by cases such as this. Normally i am conflicted and there are clear peices of evidence or information which throw up doubt on both sides, but this seems so clear cut. I'm glad it seems I convinced at least one person. The best rule of thumb I can suggest for when one's BS meter should start to tick in matters like this is when the press and/or Hollywood is weaving a narrative where race is the central issue, more specifically when they want to suggest that it's evil racists that are behind every injustice in the world, real or (as is more often the case) imaginary. It's especially the case when Al Sharpton gets involved considering his odious past of being complicit in the spreading of race based hoaxes (Tawana Brawley) or inciting hate crimes (Freddy's Fashionmart). Ugh, just thinking about that vile huckster and that he's accepted in polite society these days makes me feel the need to take a shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'm glad it seems I convinced at least one person. The best rule of thumb I can suggest for when one's BS meter should start to tick in matters like this is when the press and/or Hollywood is weaving a narrative where race is the central issue, more specifically when they want to suggest that it's evil racists that are behind every injustice in the world, real or (as is more often the case) imaginary. It's especially the case when Al Sharpton gets involved considering his odious past of being complicit in the spreading of race based hoaxes (Tawana Brawley) or inciting hate crimes (Freddy's Fashionmart). Ugh, just thinking about that vile huckster and that he's accepted in polite society these days makes me feel the need to take a shower. From a brief bit of reading and looking at details of the crime i would certainly think he was guilty. I would like to have seen the arguments against his conviction and what the defence presented as evidence to suggest he was innocent, but that seems hard to come by. That could be a telling sign really. What saddens me is there are a number of cases where people are sentenced to crimes and are actually railroaded due to police bias or incompetence who haven’t got the level of attention he received, and the cases against them were far less compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 What saddens me is there are a number of cases where people are sentenced to crimes and are actually railroaded due to police bias or incompetence who haven’t got the level of attention he received, and the cases against them were far less compelling. I do some criminal defense work, mainly post-conviction proceedings. There are several layers of review, including federal court review, such that an innocent people getting convicted because of racial bias is very rare, at least for serious crimes. (Not talking about wrongful convictions generally, which obviously do happen). If anything, evidence of racial bias in a police investigation, these days anyway, is more likely to result in a clearly guilty person going free. For example, in a federal court review of a state court conviction, the caselaw states specifically if there's evidence of racial bias at any stage, the conviction needs to be set aside even if there is clear guilt. (In fact, that's basically what happened with Carter, except that the racial bias in his case was a figment of people's imagination). For most other things, a court looks at whether a particular error would have changed the outcome. One of the many sins of cause celebres like Hurricane Carter or Mumia is that portrayal of supposed racism in the system is cartoonish. That the vaunted media "gatekeepers" seem to fall for it, makes it all the more ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 That the vaunted media "gatekeepers" seem to fall for it, makes it all the more ridiculous. The media doesn't fall for it ...this is their religion. They BELIEVE. When you believe, no more questions need be asked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Wow, years later and I just saw this. I worked for years with one of his defense attorneys. I asked him if he was guilty or not. He laughed and said, "guilty as hell".............lol True story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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