eaglejelly Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 From TSN, SCOTT CULLEN http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=452314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 "...or a return of Brian Gionta could work." You know Lou is going to bring back Gionta. It's pretty much a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Well at least TSN is saying what most of us have been for a while now. No sense sugar coating Marty's last few years. I still contend that this team is in need of a full-on rebuild, but I think a retooling (read: signing some players with offense talent) could get the Devils back in the post season. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Haha I forgot all about Olesz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Alexander Urbom is huge and got into 20 games with the Washington Capitals, after he was claimed on waivers last season, but he returned to the Devils' organization, remaining a viable depth option on the blueline. I lol'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomtemp Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I still think that if everyone plays like they should this team is better then most people think or what they showed at times last season. We've got a very good goalie and a competent defense at worst to a top 7 at its playing best, this team should have made the playoffs considering how no one else in the east was running away with those spots at times last season. Other then a miracle signing of Paul Stastny in the off season I don't see free agency being a huge upgrade over what we got right now and trust/pray those signed last off season play as they should (Ryder and Brunner picking up the slack getting 20 goals plus each which I don't think is unreasonable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I lol'd. I'm always amazed when people think of Urbom as a prospect still. That ship sailed awhile ago. Probably won't even be in NA next year. I still think that if everyone plays like they should this team is better then most people think or what they showed at times last season. We've got a very good goalie and a competent defense at worst to a top 7 at its playing best, this team should have made the playoffs considering how no one else in the east was running away with those spots at times last season. Other then a miracle signing of Paul Stastny in the off season I don't see free agency being a huge upgrade over what we got right now and trust/pray those signed last off season play as they should (Ryder and Brunner picking up the slack getting 20 goals plus each which I don't think is unreasonable). I definitely think this is a good, not great team, capable of the playoffs. A full season of Schneider as you mention should make a big difference, plus their shootout luck is bound to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer91 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Why oh why do I always read the comment section? I want to bang my head repeatedly on the desk after doing so.... "trap?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils102 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I think our offense needs a bigger boost then he's saying, but otherwise hard to argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 There are some decent points here. I agree that we should go for Anton Stralman to fill out a top 4 D spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I still contend that this team is in need of a full-on rebuild, but I think a retooling (read: signing some players with offense talent) could get the Devils back in the post season. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk it's hard for me to understand the rational behind a full on rebuild- I'm assuming you mean moving veteran players, but the only guys we have of value like that are jagr, Elias, Schneider and Greene. And each of those guys are only returning a first round pick each.It's not like we're miles away from contention/ a playoff spot, and as we all know you just need to get in and then anything can happen in April & May. IMO it would be foolish to blow it up because as we've seen across the league it guarantees losing for several season and then you can only cross your fingers that your picks and prospects work out (and more often than not they don't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomtemp Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 it's hard for me to understand the rational behind a full on rebuild- I'm assuming you mean moving veteran players, but the only guys we have of value like that are jagr, Elias, Schneider and Greene. And each of those guys are only returning a first round pick each. It's not like we're miles away from contention/ a playoff spot, and as we all know you just need to get in and then anything can happen in April & May. IMO it would be foolish to blow it up because as we've seen across the league it guarantees losing for several season and then you can only cross your fingers that your picks and prospects work out (and more often than not they don't). We don't need to blow it up for one reason we have the goalie set (hopefully) and we got young defensemen already pressing against the glass to make it to the NHL. "Blowing it up" at this point would be not understanding what assets we already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) We don't need to blow it up for one reason we have the goalie set (hopefully) and we got young defensemen already pressing against the glass to make it to the NHL. "Blowing it up" at this point would be not understanding what assets we already have. exactly, we're practically halfway through a rebuild (even if we didn't necessarily consider it a rebuild at the time)- to blow it up in any way shape or form now would be foolish asset management, never mind the fact that it wouldn't be wise financially to concede 3-4 cellar dweller years when were close to competing. Edited May 17, 2014 by dmann422 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 There are some decent points here. I agree that we should go for Anton Stralman to fill out a top 4 D spot. Stralman is really quite good, he's basically the Rangers' Mark Fayne. I don't know how that happened but it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 We don't need to blow it up for one reason we have the goalie set (hopefully) and we got young defensemen already pressing against the glass to make it to the NHL. "Blowing it up" at this point would be not understanding what assets we already have. I'll play advocate here just for discussion. The Devils don't have goalie set (yet). People here have me freaking worried about a Cory-to-Pittsburgh scenario. The Devils have a plethora of B/C level defensive prospects, sure. There's no breakout #1 in the bunch though. I will say I think the Devils will be set on defense for a long time - the Devils have been pretty good at utilizing average-ish players since the breakup of the mini dynasty days. Offensively is obviously where things look bleak. The cupboards pretty much dry of potential top-6 forwards outside of Boucher, the Devils best scorer last year was a 42 year old mercenary.. Elias will decline, Zajac and Henrique need wingers to create offense.. although signing some big-name FA's would hopefully help here I'm not holding my breath for the Devils to get Statsny when half the league will be after him. Why do I think they need a rebuild? Because I'm worried the Devils will become the Nashville predators of the east - a team with no offense, solid defense and above average goaltending that makes the playoffs sporadically (and exits early when they do). I'll be hones though, I'm an all-or-nothing type of person. If missing the playoffs for the next 3-4 years lands the Devils with some solid blue-chip offensive prospects (I know nothing is guaranteed in a rebuild) I'm all for it. I hate the idea of the Devils being this fringe playoff team for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'll be hones though, I'm an all-or-nothing type of person. If missing the playoffs for the next 3-4 years lands the Devils with some solid blue-chip offensive prospects (I know nothing is guaranteed in a rebuild) I'm all for it. I hate the idea of the Devils being this fringe playoff team for the foreseeable future. that's fair and I respect the opinion, but the problem is that the league is set up to try and promote parity- there aren't many teams that can look ahead and say that they are guaranteed playoff spots for the next 4-5 years. Probably 75-80% of teams fall under the "fringe playoff" category (or worse) that you speak of. Like you acknowledged, not all rebuilds wind up as the Blackhawks- for every successful rebuild there are 3-4 ones that at best land the team back into that fringe playoff category.All of this disregards the fact that the team is in fact a business and I doubt ownership (never mind Lou's pride) will appreciate the idea of tanking for 3-4 years for a hope and prayer that we land the next toews and Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) I'll play advocate here just for discussion. The Devils don't have goalie set (yet). People here have me freaking worried about a Cory-to-Pittsburgh scenario. The Devils have a plethora of B/C level defensive prospects, sure. There's no breakout #1 in the bunch though. I will say I think the Devils will be set on defense for a long time - the Devils have been pretty good at utilizing average-ish players since the breakup of the mini dynasty days. Offensively is obviously where things look bleak. The cupboards pretty much dry of potential top-6 forwards outside of Boucher, the Devils best scorer last year was a 42 year old mercenary.. Elias will decline, Zajac and Henrique need wingers to create offense.. although signing some big-name FA's would hopefully help here I'm not holding my breath for the Devils to get Statsny when half the league will be after him. Why do I think they need a rebuild? Because I'm worried the Devils will become the Nashville predators of the east - a team with no offense, solid defense and above average goaltending that makes the playoffs sporadically (and exits early when they do). I'll be hones though, I'm an all-or-nothing type of person. If missing the playoffs for the next 3-4 years lands the Devils with some solid blue-chip offensive prospects (I know nothing is guaranteed in a rebuild) I'm all for it. I hate the idea of the Devils being this fringe playoff team for the foreseeable future. One point I will take serious issue with - the idea that the Devils don't have any A Defensive prospects. Nobody does. Well okay every so often a Doughty or Pietrangelo comes along - these guys can't miss. But that happens once every five years. The rest of the top D come from who knows where. Duncan Keith has 51 points in 154 AHL games. Shea Weber is a point every other game D in the WHL. Zdeno Chara, well I don't even need to bring up his early years in the NHL. All of this is a way of saying that a lot of what seperates the top defenders from run of the mill #1 D evolves in the NHL. Jon Merrill could be a really excellent D - he's not going to score a lot of goals, but everything else he could do well. Maybe not. But I wouldn't count him out, and I wouldn't count out Gelinas from becoming a top offensive D, and I wouldn't count out Severson either. Or even Larsson - 38 points in 66 AHL games is pretty good for a 20-21 year old. Edited May 17, 2014 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 One point I will take serious issue with - the idea that the Devils don't have any A Defensive prospects. Nobody does. Well okay every so often a Doughty or Pietrangelo comes along - these guys can't miss. But that happens once every five years. The rest of the top D come from who knows where. Duncan Keith has 51 points in 154 AHL games. Shea Weber is a point every other game D in the WHL. Zdeno Chara, well I don't even need to bring up his early years in the NHL. All of this is a way of saying that a lot of what seperates the top defenders from run of the mill #1 D evolves in the NHL. Jon Merrill could be a really excellent D - he's not going to score a lot of goals, but everything else he could do well. Maybe not. But I wouldn't count him out, and I wouldn't count out Gelinas from becoming a top offensive D, and I wouldn't count out Severson either. Or even Larsson - 38 points in 66 AHL games is pretty good for a 20-21 year old. I agree with you here. Defensemen are not like forwards, you can't easily say who is going to be a dominant one in a few years the way you can with some of the top forwards who get drafted. I would not be shocked if Merrill, Gelinas, Larsson, or Severson were our best defenseman in a season or two. They all seem to have the tools, it's just a matter of who can put it all together, get confident, and stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomtemp Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I agree with you here. Defensemen are not like forwards, you can't easily say who is going to be a dominant one in a few years the way you can with some of the top forwards who get drafted. I would not be shocked if Merrill, Gelinas, Larsson, or Severson were our best defenseman in a season or two. They all seem to have the tools, it's just a matter of who can put it all together, get confident, and stay healthy. The key is the Devils have a lot of what people would say are good ones so odds are they got to hit on at least a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I give Lou credit for "making an attempt" last year signing Ryder,Jagr & Brunner. But besides Stastny, i don't seen anyone else in UFA market that would really elevate us offensively. I think Lou needs to get someone via trade. We can't trade #30, but Fla has a ton of good prospects as does Edm. I woner if just maybe we could pry one Gagne or Eberly without selling our soles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I try not to over think this stuff. ... let's do some elementary analysis Sign Cory (don't want to see a final year play on our goalie.. too big a distraction is the continuous FA talk) And get some friggin players who can friggin score goals, because we couldn't the last 2 seasons ....and the players we have who can score are gettin old. Our D is fine and will work itself out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well can close the file on this pipe dream. @PollakOnSharks: Robinson getting new, 3-yr deal w/#SJSharks as assoc coach (not on bench), director of player development. Credit @Dave_Stubbs w/1st report. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Well can close the file on this pipe dream. @PollakOnSharks: Robinson getting new, 3-yr deal w/#SJSharks as assoc coach (not on bench), director of player development. Credit @Dave_Stubbs w/1st report. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk That door has been closed for over a year now. Robinson specifically stated that he was taking a job out West to devote more time to family matters and be closer to family living out West. Robinson did great things for us in terms of coaching defensemen, but can he really be credited with developing great defensemen? Larsson took some strides under him but Robinson can't take credit for any current young defenseman on the roster. Not dogging Robinson at all, he's an amazing coach, and more experience than Stevens, but I'm still behind this current coaching staff, very much so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I try not to over think this stuff. ... let's do some elementary analysis Sign Cory (don't want to see a final year play on our goalie.. too big a distraction is the continuous FA talk) And get some friggin players who can friggin score goals, because we couldn't the last 2 seasons ....and the players we have who can score are gettin old. Our D is fine and will work itself out Spot on! I think the future of our D is good & will be fine. (I hope we sign Fayne btw) when we brought Kovy in, we knew his shortcomings on "D" He eventually bought in. But scoring skill was there. This kind of guy will have to be brought in via trade. Stastny would be awesome, but we're not the only team that would love to have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Realistically speaking, if you are Stastny, why would you choose NJ over the myriad of other teams that will be throwing $$ his way come July 1? I can see him coming here if the Devils give him a longer term/more $$ deal, but other than that, we are not a desirable destination for top FA's right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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