Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Was it career suicide for Brendan Morrison, Bill Guerin, Jason Arnott, Petr Sykora, Patrik Elias, Bobby Holik, Scott Niedermayer (twice), etc.? These players were all already more established. I listed Morrison first because I think he is the best analogue. Brodeur too, after winning Cup #1. That one got ugly. I remember Brodeur saying he'd never sign another contract with the Devils again (clearly he got over it)...and of course, we know how Lou felt about Lupien after the dust had settled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Was it career suicide for Brendan Morrison, Bill Guerin, Jason Arnott, Petr Sykora, Patrik Elias, Bobby Holik, Scott Niedermayer (twice), etc.? These players were all already more established. I listed Morrison first because I think he is the best analogue. You said it yourself, those players were more established. Gelinas was getting scratched and marginalized late last year and there are defensive prospects all around him either on the team already or close behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 You said it yourself, those players were more established. Gelinas was getting scratched and marginalized late last year and there are defensive prospects all around him either on the team already or close behind. There's 29 other teams in the league, I don't think Gelinas will have trouble finding work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 There's 29 other teams in the league, I don't think Gelinas will have trouble finding work. He just got off his ELC this year. It'll be a while (at least two-three years) before he's UFA and his value isn't going to get any higher not playing or being a #6/7 d-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 Wonder if he could be packaged for RoR. Devils could desperately use an offensive blue chip prospect. Maybe Gelinas is cementing himself as the odd man out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Since they lost Stastny and replaced him with an old Iginla I would doubt the Avs would want to lose a young good forward like RoR. Would be great though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 There is a tiny part of me that is waiting to see this ending up with Gelinas leaving. Judging by the comments I see on here, other forums and FB group's, a large chunk of the fanbase will lose their sh!t because they see him as the second coming of Al MacInnis. But I hope it works out for the best. I don't know about that, but he brings something the Devils have had been missing desperately from their blueline in a very long time. If he is gone, it should be via trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 JD and Jarmo ain't playing: http://deadspin.com/blue-jackets-not-fvcking-around-with-ryan-johansen-cont-1635861810 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 JD and Jarmo ain't playing: http://deadspin.com/blue-jackets-not-fvcking-around-with-ryan-johansen-cont-1635861810 Wow, that's..certainly an interesting tactic. I wonder who's really the delusional one - the player, or the agent. Because there's no way in hell he deserves the money he's asking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 JD and Jarmo ain't playing: http://deadspin.com/blue-jackets-not-fvcking-around-with-ryan-johansen-cont-1635861810 Very interesting strategy, at least the fans know who the dumb one is with this negotiation. He isn't worth $6.5M per years after an entry level contract. Where do these agents get the idea they can hold up the teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Very interesting strategy, at least the fans know who the dumb one is with this negotiation. He isn't worth $6.5M per years after an entry level contract. Where do these agents get the idea they can hold up the teams? I'm of the belief he is worth $6.5 million. 30 goals, 63 points, awesome 2-way player, all done during a season when he was 21. He's really really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) I'm of the belief he is worth $6.5 million. 30 goals, 63 points, awesome 2-way player, all done during a season when he was 21. He's really really good. He also shot something like 19%. With a normal shooting percentage, he has 20 goals, which is obviously less impressive. He's very good, but it's his first productive season and his work ethic has been called into question and was a healthy scratch in the AHL 15 months ago. Subban made MTL pay with a bridge because he significantly outperformed it. I think CBJ wants RJ to do the same Edited September 17, 2014 by SMantzas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 He also shot something like 19%. With a normal shooting percentage, he has 20 goals, which is obviously less impressive. He's very good, but it's his first productive season and his work ethic has been called into question and was a healthy scratch in the AHL 15 months ago. Subban made MTL pay with a bridge because he significantly outperformed it. I think CBJ wants RJ to do the same 13.9%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Wow, that's..certainly an interesting tactic. I wonder who's really the delusional one - the player, or the agent. Because there's no way in hell he deserves the money he's asking for. Can you imagine Lou doing something like this? Rofl this is the anti-Lou strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 13.9%. sh!t, think I was referring to his ES shooting numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Rattlehead18 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Just saw this on TSN: TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie reports Harding's off-ice injury is significant, and he's expected to be out months instead of weeks. McKenzie added is on crutches and in a walking boot. Harding is one of three goalies on Minnesota's roster alongside Niklas Backstrom and Darcy Kuemper however Kuemper, a restricted free agent, is still unsigned. Maybe they will sign Brodeur now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Just saw this on TSN: TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie reports Harding's off-ice injury is significant, and he's expected to be out months instead of weeks. McKenzie added is on crutches and in a walking boot. Harding is one of three goalies on Minnesota's roster alongside Niklas Backstrom and Darcy Kuemper however Kuemper, a restricted free agent, is still unsigned. Maybe they will sign Brodeur now. Nope @Russostrib: Bryzgalov tryout in works + re-sign Kuemper RT @Cberns44: @Russostrib What's the plan now that Harding is out for a while? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Brodeur's looking for a real good team - he'll pass on Minnesota. Plus there are still six teams interested in signing him. If I'm Columbus, I can't really give Johansen an 8 year deal at what he 'deserves' because he's only had the one good year. If he had two good years to work with they could come to an agreement, but they don't really have that. You can see what happens with that with guys like Tyler Myers and Rusty Olesz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Bobby Ryan signs seven year deal at above $7 AAV. (Yes, he's not a UFA, but didn't want to start a new thread). http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=732669&navid=nhl:topheads Seems like a pretty bad deal. The Blues got a much better deal for Statsny who is probably the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Bobby Ryan signs seven year deal at above $7 AAV. (Yes, he's not a UFA, but didn't want to start a new thread). http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=732669&navid=nhl:topheads Seems like a pretty bad deal. The Blues got a much better deal for Statsny who is probably the better player. Can't compare the situations. Sens have lost Alfredsson and Spezza in consecutive off-seasons. They traded a lot for Ryan. They are a cap-floor team right now and won't be anywhere close to a cap team for a very long time if ever under Melnyk. The fanbase has gotten so down on their owner and the team. They needed to sign Ryan. His camp had the leverage. From that point of view. It's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Can't compare the situations. Sens have lost Alfredsson and Spezza in consecutive off-seasons. They traded a lot for Ryan. They are a cap-floor team right now and won't be anywhere close to a cap team for a very long time if ever under Melnyk. The fanbase has gotten so down on their owner and the team. They needed to sign Ryan. His camp had the leverage. From that point of view. It's fine. Yeah this, and you don't win anything by having the best deals (of course it can help) but there's soooo many situations that comes in. Stastny wanted to play for the Blues who are stacked while Ryan got traded there and one year away from free agency, the team is somewhat rebuilding and looking for their identity so its really different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Can't compare the situations. Sens have lost Alfredsson and Spezza in consecutive off-seasons. They traded a lot for Ryan. They are a cap-floor team right now and won't be anywhere close to a cap team for a very long time if ever under Melnyk. The fanbase has gotten so down on their owner and the team. They needed to sign Ryan. His camp had the leverage. From that point of view. It's fine. There's the PR angle, which counts for something. I dunno, it just seems like Ottawa is desitned to be in Winnipeg territory. Not bad enough to get a franchise player in the right draft, not attractive enough to land a big free agent, and not good enough to be particularly relevant. Locking yourself into Bobby Ryan for a long time when you're in that situation now seems to be bad idea. But I don't follow Ottawa all that closely, so I can't really give anything other than an off the cuff opinion as to how good the organization really is or will be in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Bobby Ryan signs seven year deal at above $7 AAV. (Yes, he's not a UFA, but didn't want to start a new thread). http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=732669&navid=nhl:topheads Seems like a pretty bad deal. The Blues got a much better deal for Statsny who is probably the better player. whooof thats a lot of deal for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) The Devils are close to a cap team and gave a 31-year-old coming off 3 concussions $4.85 million for 5 years. Ryan is only 27 with four 30+ goal seasons to his name. One of them is a real bad contract. Is it a lot of money? Maybe, but probably not anymore than he gets from someone in the off-season. The Sens have $15 million in cap space this year, and before the Ryan signing, they had 2 important UFAs to sign over the next three seasons. Now it's just Methot. There were people speculating that Ryan could ask for $8-8.5 million and the Sens would feel obligated to give it to them, since there is absolutely no one else for them to give money to. Edited October 2, 2014 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It's still not a good deal because Ryan is not a play driver and his best years are already behind him. Please don't be so intellectually reductive as to compare everything to the Ryane Clowe deal either. It's not the AAV. It's the way the salary works and the length. Ottawa will be shopping that deal around after 4 years of it - who will buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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