thefiestygoat Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I'm not convinced Tampa is keeping Gagner. I don't see a good spot for him on that team. Try to trade him after teams miss out in free agency? I wonder how little they'd be willing to take back? That roster is a bit crowded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I do not understand how we couldn't get Gagner. How does this keep happening. Please go after him Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH26 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I do not understand how we couldn't get Gagner. How does this keep happening. Please go after him Lou who were we gonna trade that could help Edmonton like Purcell will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsu1852 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Don't expect anything big, I just dont see it happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) You really should lose the attitude. What you wrote is exactly what I saying, question the process of their picks, etc. But to really pick apart 1 guy from another on any given draft year is a pretty difficult task, especially in the later rounds. I am baffled how anyone, outside of a few diehard people, really can criticize the picks. And again, if anyone thinks they are so great at prognosticating teenage hockey players, I would suggest getting into the profession if you are so good. Really, why wouldn't you? It seems like a good way to tell everyone your right and get paid for it. You are the one who wrote back 'Your post doesn't address my point'. Had you been generous and written this post AFTER mine, then I wouldn't've said anything like that. You're making all sorts of arguments that are appeals to authority. 'Maybe you can do it better'. Maybe I could, I don't know, but I don't really have any interest in doing it, and no background in the game that would make me able to do it. It's a hard thing to do, and there's a lot of misses, but when you pick players that look like a miss right away, that's when I can question scouts. Edited June 30, 2014 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) You are the one who wrote back 'Your post doesn't address my point'. Had you been generous and written this post AFTER mine, then I wouldn't've said anything like that. You're making all sorts of arguments that are appeals to authority. 'Maybe you can do it better'. Maybe I could, I don't know, but I don't really have any interest in doing it, and no background in the game that would make me able to do it. It's a hard thing to do, and there's a lot of misses, but when you pick players that look like a miss right away, that's when I can question scouts. See, it's the whole attitude thing. I simply asked what you were addressing because I was actually unsure about what you were addressing. I never wrote "your post doesn't address my point." See someone that has attitude would probably say something about reading here, but I will refrain.And as far as arguments that appeal to authority, you better believe I am. Like I said, the total number of people belly aching about the draft compared to the people that could tell you anything about junior hockey is mind blowing. This isn't even getting deeper into the Devils drafting mantra, etc. My own personal opinion is to draft speed and skill and stay away from personality defects. I guess I'd go with size in some situations too. But obviously, the Devils draft team thinks differently or at least the ones that make the final call. I have no doubt that something is extremely wrong with the Devils draft process, however listening to a million draft experts only makes me laugh. Edited June 30, 2014 by hystyk28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I'm not convinced Tampa is keeping Gagner. I don't see a good spot for him on that team. I think it's a change of scenery trade. They're going to play him on wing. He's basically just a replacement of Purcell. Advantage is Gagner could be a bit more versatile and spot at center if need be. There's been rumblings they might be willing to move Filippula in the right trade, possibly for some defensive talent, but I don't see why and it's probably idle chatter. He had a fairly nice season for them. My one criticism of Yzerman is he seems to be constantly making moves without a clear direction for his roster/style of play. I'm also not sure that defense is any better but we'll see if he makes any moves there further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie: Hearing PHX, which recently bought out centre Mike Ribeiro, is a possible landing spot for Gagner. Stay tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie: Hearing PHX, which recently bought out centre Mike Ribeiro, is a possible landing spot for Gagner. Stay tuned. Confirmed by Bob Mac. Traded to Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) See, it's the whole attitude thing. I simply asked what you were addressing because I was actually unsure about what you were addressing. I never wrote "your post doesn't address my point." See someone that has attitude would probably say something about reading here, but I will refrain. And as far as arguments that appeal to authority, you better believe I am. Like I said, the total number of people belly aching about the draft compared to the people that could tell you anything about junior hockey is mind blowing. This isn't even getting deeper into the Devils drafting mantra, etc. My own personal opinion is to draft speed and skill and stay away from personality defects. I guess I'd go with size in some situations too. But obviously, the Devils draft team thinks differently or at least the ones that make the final call. I have no doubt that something is extremely wrong with the Devils draft process, however listening to a million draft experts only makes me laugh. I apologize, but when someone sends back one line that says this: "I am really unsure what you wrote is addressing." it sounds glib and dismissive. Another line would've helped clarify what you meant. Appeals to authority will hold no water with me. I understand that people who do certain things for a living have specialized knowledge, but they also have all sorts of biases, and this has been proven time and time again over various professions. Anyway, we generally agree, and let's leave it there. As for Gagner, like I said, didn't see a spot for Gagner in Tampa, not surprised that he's already gone. I don't think he fits on NJ at all. Edited June 30, 2014 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie: TB has traded Sam Gagner to PHX, I mean Arizona. In any case, Gagner is a Coyote. #TSN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 ESPN - Lightning send Sam Gagner, B.J. Crombeen to Coyotes for 2015 6th rounder; TB got Gagner earlier Sun. We couldn't muster up a 6th rounder?!?! Unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) A 2015 6th? Is that a joke? Rofl, you gotta be kidding me... Also, I'd think that can't make Edmonton too happy, seeing as how Gagner is in their division now. Edited June 30, 2014 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Gagner isn't very good. He cannot play center - if DeBoer hated Loktionov's defense, wait until he saw Gagner. And as a wing he has limitations too. Not the player the Devils wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 A 2015 6th? Is that a joke? Rofl, you gotta be kidding me... Also, I'd think that can't make Edmonton too happy, seeing as how Gagner is in their division now. Was TB just used to disguise the trade within EDM's division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie: UFA goalie Ryan Miller is in VAN being wooed by Canucks' brass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Gagner isn't very good. He cannot play center - if DeBoer hated Loktionov's defense, wait until he saw Gagner. And as a wing he has limitations too. Not the player the Devils wanted. Nonsense, Tri. Sometimes you seem like you're pulling this stuff out of thin air. Being in MST time I've seen plenty of Oilers games. If Gagner is similar to anyone it's Travis Zajac. He's put up similar numbers in his tenure with Edmonton. If you're going to say that Gagner is a defensive liability then you're not considering that he plays for a team that is in itself a defensive liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie: UFA goalie Ryan Miller is in VAN being wooed by Canucks' brass. I'm surprised. I thought Vancouver would be all in for tank mode this year, and that they'd let Markstrom sink or swim. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Listen, Gagner was traded for a 6th rounder. No matter how good he is or isn't, I don't think anyone thought he'd be moved for such a small return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Listen, Gagner was traded for a 6th rounder. No matter how good he is or isn't, I don't think anyone thought he'd be moved for such a small return. Crombeen was part of that trade as well. TB got a 2015 6th rounder and PHX got Gagner and Crombeen. If the headline was TB trades Gagner and Crombeen to NJ for 2015 6th rounder we'd be exalting LL. But Lou for some reason, in recent memory, has brought over complete shiite like Steve Sullivan because he's out of touch and he sucks. There I said it. Edited June 30, 2014 by CarpathianForest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Tampa sends Nate Thompson to Anaheim for 4th and 7th in 2015. Busy day for Steve Yzerman! -Piere Lebrun Edited June 30, 2014 by Onddeck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Crombeen was part of that trade as well. TB got a 2015 6th rounder and PHX got Gagner and Crombeen. If the headline was TB trades Gagner and Crombeen to NJ for 2015 6th rounder we'd be exalting LL. But Lou for some reason, in recent memory, has brought over complete shiite like Steve Sullivan because he's out of touch and he sucks. There I said it. Or maybe the fact that he was traded for a 6th means that not only LL, but a majority of GMs, didn't want anything to do with Gagner at the salary he's at. Guy has usually misses 15 games each season and is coming off one of his worst years statistically. He seems like a 2/3 line tweener and I thought the issue with signing Gionta was that we don't need a guy like that on our team for nearly $5M per? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Tampa sends Nate Thompson to Anaheim for 4th and 7th in 2015. Busy day for Steve Yzerman! -Piere Lebrun Something's going down in Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Or maybe the fact that he was traded for a 6th means that not only LL, but a majority of GMs, didn't want anything to do with Gagner at the salary he's at. Guy has usually misses 15 games each season and is coming off one of his worst years statistically. He seems like a 2/3 line tweener and I thought the issue with signing Gionta was that we don't need a guy like that on our team for nearly $5M per? Gagner's also what 25, 26? So the comparison to Gionta isn't even there. Gagner is coming off one of his worst years in which he scored 37 points in 67 games with a broken jaw. That's .5 points per game. He also played the whole lockout season and put up 38 points. Some of you guys need to quit trying to rationalize for Lou by trying to make these players sound worse than they actually are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Gagner's also what 25, 26? So the comparison to Gionta isn't even there. Gagner is coming off one of his worst years in which he scored 37 points in 67 games with a broken jaw. That's .5 points per game. He also played the whole lockout season and put up 38 points. Some of you guys need to quit trying to rationalize for Lou by trying to make these players sound worse than they actually are. True, but from a glance at his stats, the lockout year is clearly the outlier. I'd imagine that he never comes close to that production again. Last season was at least similar to the numbers he's put up throughout his career, just a little worse.Edit: Looked up his S% and in the lockout year, he put up his best S% of his career at .124 even his career S% is .100. I'd gather that supports my theory of that year being an outlier and not the norm for him. I don't get what him being 25 has to do with anything when he's putting up similar numbers to Gionta except that we could sign Gionta for less than what Gagner makes. Not that I want us to, but your argument doesn't make sense when you want Gagner but not Gionta solely because he's younger. At least Gionta plays defense well, might sign for less $ and knows the organization with all else being equal, which it seems it is, you'd think you take Gionta over Gagner. Edited June 30, 2014 by ATLL765 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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